Getting God's Strength
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Commandments cant save you.
Do you realize this?
You are not born again by keeping commandments......as they have no power to do anything but show you that you need to be saved.
What does that mean?
It means that what can't save you, can't cause you to lose your salvation.
Here is how it works.........Once born again, always born again.
You can't stop being born.
Let me show you.....how to see this, justpassinthrough.
Go to you mother and say........>"i hate you, i dont want to be born".
She will say....>"you are insane"........"you can't stop being born, dumbbell".
Now, Go to God and say.......>"i want to stop being born again".
God will say.....>"go and see your mother for the explanation".
Eternal Life is Jesus Himself.
So, if you have Jesus in you, you have eternal life.
Also...
Murder is just one more sin.
There are worse sins......plenty of them.
All sin is forgiven by Christ on the Cross.
All born again believers, are become as Righteous as God, and that is the only reason God lets you into His family.
You've sinned this week.
Are you going to hell?
"well, i confessed it"..
That means nothing, as sin is not forgiven by confession, its forgiven by BLOOD being shed.
"without the shedding of BLOOD there is no forgiveness, redemption, from sin".
If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also. 1 John 4:20-21
- And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother
His commandments are about love; loving God and loving our brother.
Those Christians who claim to be saved and don’t keep His commandments, who don’t love, are liars.
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:3-4
- He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him
JPT
Those who reject the doctrine of Christ, have rejected Him, and God who sent Him.
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
2 John 9
- does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
JPT
There are fake Christians who try to replace the Cross with commandment keeping as the reason you go to heaven or not.
If you meet one of these devil led Legalist, who only talk about going to heaven based on commandment keeping, then give them the Cross and see if they can deal with it.
They probably will reject it, as they prefer their own self effort (commandment keeping) as their savior, but.......you can offer it.
The doctrine of Christ is the "simplicity that is in Christ"........its to understand how to become 'IN Christ" and "One with God".
That's the doctrine of Christ.
Its this..
"Christ IN YOU the hope of Glory".
So, dont confuse commandment keeping with Christ.
Dont confuse commandment keeping with Salvation.
It is Christ in us who desires to express His righteous life through us, to led us in the way of love, righteousness and holiness.
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 1 John 5:2
You are using no scripture. I use scripture to throughly show the truth.
The doctrine of Christ are His teachings. He taught His disciples everything they were to teach their disciples and so on. Everything taught in the New Comes from Jesus Christ and His doctrine.
He is love. His commandments are about love; loving God and loving our brothers and sisters in Christ.
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3
- this is the love of God, this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments
He is the truth. His doctrine is the truth; everything that proceeds out of His mouth is the truth.
If we do not keep Hs commandments which are written on heart, then we are walking in hate; hating God and hating our neighbor.
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15
God haters and haters of the brethren no longer have eternal life remaining in them.
If I covet my brothers things, his wife, his belongings so that I steal from him and commit adultery with his wife, is that loving my neighbor or hating him?
JLB
The New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:33-34):
1) Past sins are forgiven
2) The Law is written on one's heart
Paul says this about Gentiles and the law...
Romans 2:14-15
14 Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.
^^Paul explains that the conscience is a witness to whether the law is written on a believer's heart. If one's thoughts/conscience accuses them (i.e. makes them guilty of a sin), that proves the New Covenant is fulfilled in them. "Godly sorrow brings repentance which leads to salvation" (2 Corinthians 7:10). There's a difference between condemnation and guilt. We are freed from the condemnation. But if one doesn't feel guilty for committing sin, one must question whether they're part of the New Covenant.
Titus 2:11-13 (NIV)
11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
1) Past sins are forgiven
2) The Law is written on one's heart
Paul says this about Gentiles and the law...
Romans 2:14-15
14 Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.
^^Paul explains that the conscience is a witness to whether the law is written on a believer's heart. If one's thoughts/conscience accuses them (i.e. makes them guilty of a sin), that proves the New Covenant is fulfilled in them. "Godly sorrow brings repentance which leads to salvation" (2 Corinthians 7:10). There's a difference between condemnation and guilt. We are freed from the condemnation. But if one doesn't feel guilty for committing sin, one must question whether they're part of the New Covenant.
Titus 2:11-13 (NIV)
11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
All sins are forgiven, not just "past".
The one time eternal sacrifice of Christ has : "redeemed" the born again from the Curse of the Law..
So, the law is what judged you as a sinner, and once this Law is removed by the Grace of God that replaced it, so that the born again are "under GRACE" : then this frees the born again from condemnation, and judgement.
"There is now NO Condemnation to those who are In Christ"...(Born again).... Paul teaches.
A believer will never be judged in Eternity for sin, because Jesus has already been judged on Earth for ALL your sin, already.
Jesus "became sin"... and the born again become "the righteousness of GOD in Christ".
Salvation is not..... just past sin that is forgiven,....... but its to be redeemed from ALL sin, which is why Romans 4:8 tells you that God does not charge the born again with Sin.
How Could He? As Christ has already died on the Cross for all your sin, if you are born again, and not just water baptized.
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There is a false/cult theology that teaches that.......""all you sin until the day you were born again are forgiven, but not your sin after the day you are born again"". So, that heresy denies that the blood atonement, is this...
=. ""Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.""""
Notice reader that the redemption is ETERNAL redemption......Its not part time, or, "Just your past sins are forgiven".
See, the Blood of Christ is GOD's Blood and that is why the power of The Cross presents forgiveness for the WORLD., as """eternal redemption".
Heretics change the "eternal redemption" into... "as long as you keep confessing sin, then YOU are taking care of your sin, by confessing them"......and that is heresy, as it denies that the sacrifice of God's Blood and Death on the Cross is the : "Eternal Redemption".
Heretics want to turn salvation into....."you keep yourself saved by commandments and law and confessing", vs, trusting in The Grace of God that has provided a ONE TIME ETERNAL Sacrifice for all sin, that is a ETERNAL Redemption that is God caused and God supplied as the Blood of Jesus.
This is why Salvation is a "GIFT"
""The GIFT of Salvation"". & "The GIFT of Righteousness".
A heretic will have you trying to keep yourself saved, instead of you having REAL Faith in CHRIST's Sacrifice that KEEPS you saved, always.
The one time eternal sacrifice of Christ has : "redeemed" the born again from the Curse of the Law..
So, the law is what judged you as a sinner, and once this Law is removed by the Grace of God that replaced it, so that the born again are "under GRACE" : then this frees the born again from condemnation, and judgement.
"There is now NO Condemnation to those who are In Christ"...(Born again).... Paul teaches.
A believer will never be judged in Eternity for sin, because Jesus has already been judged on Earth for ALL your sin, already.
Jesus "became sin"... and the born again become "the righteousness of GOD in Christ".
Salvation is not..... just past sin that is forgiven,....... but its to be redeemed from ALL sin, which is why Romans 4:8 tells you that God does not charge the born again with Sin.
How Could He? As Christ has already died on the Cross for all your sin, if you are born again, and not just water baptized.
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There is a false/cult theology that teaches that.......""all you sin until the day you were born again are forgiven, but not your sin after the day you are born again"". So, that heresy denies that the blood atonement, is this...
=. ""Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.""""
Notice reader that the redemption is ETERNAL redemption......Its not part time, or, "Just your past sins are forgiven".
See, the Blood of Christ is GOD's Blood and that is why the power of The Cross presents forgiveness for the WORLD., as """eternal redemption".
Heretics change the "eternal redemption" into... "as long as you keep confessing sin, then YOU are taking care of your sin, by confessing them"......and that is heresy, as it denies that the sacrifice of God's Blood and Death on the Cross is the : "Eternal Redemption".
Heretics want to turn salvation into....."you keep yourself saved by commandments and law and confessing", vs, trusting in The Grace of God that has provided a ONE TIME ETERNAL Sacrifice for all sin, that is a ETERNAL Redemption that is God caused and God supplied as the Blood of Jesus.
This is why Salvation is a "GIFT"
""The GIFT of Salvation"". & "The GIFT of Righteousness".
A heretic will have you trying to keep yourself saved, instead of you having REAL Faith in CHRIST's Sacrifice that KEEPS you saved, always.
No, Romans 4:8 does not say that. Paul is referencing Psalms 32:2 to support his point. A person is, in fact, blessed whose sins are not counted against them. This passage says nothing about the process, it's just stating a fact. When a person confesses their sins they are in fact blessed by the Almighty because their sins aren't counted against them. No condemnation.
Romans 3:25
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
^^Past Sins.
The process of cleansing the tabernacle never changed, only what was used to cleanse it has changed: useless animal's blood was changed for the pure, righteous blood of the Savior.
But the process remains the same. No sin exists until a person first breaks God's law. And no sin is forgiven without first confession. The great thing about our situation after Messiah is we don't need to bring animal's blood each and every time; nothing needs to die anymore. The Messiah died once taking His blood to heaven ready for the cleansing of all sin...but a sin isn't cleansed with that blood until it is first on your record (after you commit it), and then (most importantly) confessed at the throne for forgiveness.
1 John 1:7-9; 2:1-6 [brackets mine]
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin [to cleanse, in context], we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness
2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin [future sins, in context], we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him: Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked.
This is a process. Eternal redemption means freedom from condemnation (i.e. death penalty; "if you sin you must die"). It doesn't mean freedom from guilt (i.e. godly sorrow, caused by the Spirit) meant to take you to the throne for confession & cleansing. At the throne one asks for forgiveness and for the divine strength (i.e. grace) to do better, to maintain self-control and to live righteously.
Romans 3:25
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
^^Past Sins.
The process of cleansing the tabernacle never changed, only what was used to cleanse it has changed: useless animal's blood was changed for the pure, righteous blood of the Savior.
But the process remains the same. No sin exists until a person first breaks God's law. And no sin is forgiven without first confession. The great thing about our situation after Messiah is we don't need to bring animal's blood each and every time; nothing needs to die anymore. The Messiah died once taking His blood to heaven ready for the cleansing of all sin...but a sin isn't cleansed with that blood until it is first on your record (after you commit it), and then (most importantly) confessed at the throne for forgiveness.
1 John 1:7-9; 2:1-6 [brackets mine]
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin [to cleanse, in context], we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness
2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin [future sins, in context], we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him: Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked.
This is a process. Eternal redemption means freedom from condemnation (i.e. death penalty; "if you sin you must die"). It doesn't mean freedom from guilt (i.e. godly sorrow, caused by the Spirit) meant to take you to the throne for confession & cleansing. At the throne one asks for forgiveness and for the divine strength (i.e. grace) to do better, to maintain self-control and to live righteously.
Here is the verse....>"Blessed is the one, whose SIN the Lord will NEVER count against them.""""
Thats Paul speaking to the born again.
Thats Paul talking to those whom God will not count SIN against them.
He can't, as He has already Judged CHRIST on the CROSS for all their sin.
Look carefully at : 2nd Corinthians 5:19......""that GOD was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s SIN's against them."""
That's ROMANS's 4:8.
So, that can only refer to those who are made free from their sin, eternally forgiven, based on Christ's Blood redeeming them as He is THE: "eternal redemption".
Salvation is God provided,...... not us maintained.
Eternal life is not temporary, and all the born again have Eternal life....>Jesus said...>"all who believe in me, i give unto you, eternal life, and you shall never perish".
Salvation is not..... "God started it, now you go and do the rest".
Salvation is God's Blood and Death as Christ on the Cross, resolving sin, once and for all.
Christ's blood and death, paid for all sin, and redeemed all who believe for ETERNITY, ......as this blood atonement is a "Eternal redemption". Christ is the one time Eternal Sacrifice for sin.
Heretics....... reduce, omit, and deny that the Blood of Jesus that saved the born again, keeps them saved, as the Heretic teaches that the person is responsible for their Salvation. This is the teaching of LEGALISM, that denies the Cross and Rejects the Grace of God.
Paul defines this person and their teaching as cursed.... : Galatians 1:8
Here is the verse...
Romans 4:8 [direct Greek]
Makarios [Blessed] anēr [(the) man] hou [against whom] ou [no] mē [not] logisētai [will count] Kyrios [(the) Lord] hamartian [sin].
Never - as in (Gk) oudepote; as in "I never knew you (Matthew 7:23)" - isn't used in the verse. The word is "not". Saying one's sins are "not" counted against them is very different from saying one's sins are "never" counted against them.
2nd Corinthians 5:19 [Greek]
""...that GOD was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not [mē]counting people’s SIN's against them.""
Eternal redemption isn't eternal forgiveness. Look up the word redemption, it means "the act of exchanging something for payment". In the context of scripture it means to exchange the believer with Messiah for the payment of DEATH. The wages of sin is death. The law of sin & death (i.e. "when you sin you must die") is exchanged with the law of Spirit & life (i.e. "walk by the Spirit and no longer fulfill the lusts of the flesh in sin").
Believers are no longer under condemnation and so will never perish, true...but they must go to the throne for forgiveness of sin when committed (1 John 1-2). The Messiah didn't give us a license to sin, but gave us Grace - the Almighty's divine strength - that we are to grow and to use against sin.
Romans 4:8 [direct Greek]
Makarios [Blessed] anēr [(the) man] hou [against whom] ou [no] mē [not] logisētai [will count] Kyrios [(the) Lord] hamartian [sin].
Never - as in (Gk) oudepote; as in "I never knew you (Matthew 7:23)" - isn't used in the verse. The word is "not". Saying one's sins are "not" counted against them is very different from saying one's sins are "never" counted against them.
2nd Corinthians 5:19 [Greek]
""...that GOD was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not [mē]counting people’s SIN's against them.""
Eternal redemption isn't eternal forgiveness. Look up the word redemption, it means "the act of exchanging something for payment". In the context of scripture it means to exchange the believer with Messiah for the payment of DEATH. The wages of sin is death. The law of sin & death (i.e. "when you sin you must die") is exchanged with the law of Spirit & life (i.e. "walk by the Spirit and no longer fulfill the lusts of the flesh in sin").
Believers are no longer under condemnation and so will never perish, true...but they must go to the throne for forgiveness of sin when committed (1 John 1-2). The Messiah didn't give us a license to sin, but gave us Grace - the Almighty's divine strength - that we are to grow and to use against sin.
And you should become born again and not just be water baptized.
You cant even explain the Blood Atonement, or what it means to be "made righteous", or why the born again exist as "one with God".
So, you like to play games on Christian forums., and not just you .
You like to mislead real believers, and the day is coming when you wont me able to do that, anymore.
Believe it.
You cant even explain the Blood Atonement, or what it means to be "made righteous", or why the born again exist as "one with God".
So, you like to play games on Christian forums., and not just you .
You like to mislead real believers, and the day is coming when you wont me able to do that, anymore.
Believe it.
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Listen carefully, yahshua
Trying to pretend you are a Greek Scholar works in your church perhaps????, but does not work on my Threads.
See, pretenders and deceivers, will find failure on my Threads....... always.
Believe it.
Now....Here are the verses..
Notice that they are the same, and its 2 different Epistles, and the same Apostle to the Gentiles. = Paul
You can't change that reality with koine greek misinterpretation, or by twisting more verses to suit your heresy.
Romans 4:8......""""Blessed is the one, whose SIN the Lord will NEVER count against them.""""
2nd Corinthians 5:19...."""""that GOD was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s SIN's against them."""
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lol 
Hmm...
Psalm 32:1-2 [Hebrew]
lə-ḏā-wiḏ [Of David] maś-kîl [Poem]: ’aš-rê [(he is) blessed] nə-śui [(is) forgiven] pe-ša‘, [rebellion] kə-sui [covered] ḥă-ṭā-’āh [the sin]
’aš-rê [(he is) blessed] ’ā-ḏām [(the) man] lō [not] yaḥ-šōḇ [count] Yah [Yah] lōw [(to) whom] ‘ā-wōn [guilt] wə-’ên [and nothing] bə-rū-ḥōw [in spirit] rə-mî-yāh [treachery]
^Here's the passage Paul was referencing. There's no indication of "never" or of an eternal forgiveness in this passage either.
^^The English versions you posted here contradict your point. They show the two verses are not the same. "Not" and "never" are two different ideas.
Even the Messiah's own parable about the unmerciful servant shows forgiveness isn't eternal and can be reversed in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 18:21-35
21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.
26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.
29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’
30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.
32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”
^^Pick whichever English version you want, this passage will teach the same lesson concerning the kingdom of heaven. Redemption (freedom from condemnation) is eternal. Forgiveness of sins isn't. We must use the gift we've been given to resist sin.
Hmm...Psalm 32:1-2 [Hebrew]
lə-ḏā-wiḏ [Of David] maś-kîl [Poem]: ’aš-rê [(he is) blessed] nə-śui [(is) forgiven] pe-ša‘, [rebellion] kə-sui [covered] ḥă-ṭā-’āh [the sin]
’aš-rê [(he is) blessed] ’ā-ḏām [(the) man] lō [not] yaḥ-šōḇ [count] Yah [Yah] lōw [(to) whom] ‘ā-wōn [guilt] wə-’ên [and nothing] bə-rū-ḥōw [in spirit] rə-mî-yāh [treachery]
^Here's the passage Paul was referencing. There's no indication of "never" or of an eternal forgiveness in this passage either.
^^The English versions you posted here contradict your point. They show the two verses are not the same. "Not" and "never" are two different ideas.
Even the Messiah's own parable about the unmerciful servant shows forgiveness isn't eternal and can be reversed in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 18:21-35
21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.
26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.
29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’
30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.
32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”
^^Pick whichever English version you want, this passage will teach the same lesson concerning the kingdom of heaven. Redemption (freedom from condemnation) is eternal. Forgiveness of sins isn't. We must use the gift we've been given to resist sin.