PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE GET THE COVID SHOT.

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iamsoandso

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This is NOT the mark!
God prepares and will prepare his people with the Spirit and wisdom!

It is also NOT forced!
Please read the scripture in the Spirit to gain understanding!

If it is fear that drives your stance,then it is NOT of faith,nor of God!

Come on people, lots of folks read here w/o being members,Garner up your thoughts b4 you post.
nope it's not the mark.
 
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flygplan

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This is NOT the mark!
God prepares and will prepare his people with the Spirit and wisdom!

It is also NOT forced!
Please read the scripture in the Spirit to gain understanding!

If it is fear that drives your stance,then it is NOT of faith,nor of God!

Come on people, lots of folks read here w/o being members,Garner up your thoughts b4 you post.
Unfortunately this thread like many others (I'm thinking all about COVID-19) have been overtaken by people who love to be loud and miss inform, ever-fearful conspiracists. Every single post about this will be overtaken by them.
 
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SophieT

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This is NOT the mark!
God prepares and will prepare his people with the Spirit and wisdom!

It is also NOT forced!
Please read the scripture in the Spirit to gain understanding!

If it is fear that drives your stance,then it is NOT of faith,nor of God!

Come on people, lots of folks read here w/o being members,Garner up your thoughts b4 you post.

I don't think this is the mark either

but isn't there a choice with the mark? seems to be...maybe I am wrong
 
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SophieT

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  • Is Natural Immunity More Effective Than the COVID Shot?
    (following 3 posts for those interested)


  • According to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data, COVID-19 “cases” have trended downward since peaking during the first and second week of January 2021. At first glance, this decline appears to be occurring in tandem with the rollout of COVID shots. However, “cases” were on the decline before a meaningful number of people had been vaccinated
  • COVID-19 “cases” peaked January 8, 2021, when more than 300,000 new positive test results were recorded on a daily basis. By February 21, that had declined to a daily new case count of 55,000
  • COVID-19 gene modification injections were granted emergency use authorization at the end of December 2020, and by February 21, only 5.9% of American adults had been fully injected with two doses. Despite such a low injection rate, new “cases” had declined by 82%
  • The best explanation for a declining COVID-19 case rate appears to be natural immunity from previous infections. A study by the National Institutes of Health suggests COVID-19 prevalence was 4.8 times higher than previously thought, thanks to undiagnosed infection
  • The survivability of COVID-19 outside of nursing homes is 99.74%. If you’re under the age of 40, your chance of surviving a bout of COVID-19 is 99.99%. You can’t really improve your chances of surviving beyond that, so COVID shots cannot realistically end the pandemic
According to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data,1 COVID-19 “cases” have trended downward since peaking during the first and second week of January 2021.

At first glance, this decline appears to be occurring in tandem with the rollout of COVID shots. January 1, 2021, only 0.5% of the U.S. population had received a COVID shot. By mid-April, an estimated 31% had received one or more shots,2 and as of July 13, 48.3% were fully “vaccinated.”3
However, as noted in a July 12, 2021, STAT News article,4 “cases” had started their downward trend before COVID shots were widely used. “Following patterns from previous pandemics, the precipitous decline in new cases of Covid-19 started well before a meaningful number of people had been vaccinated,” Robert M. Kaplan, Professor Emeritus at the UCLA Fielding School of Public Health, writes. He continues:
“Nearly 50 years ago, medical sociologists John and Sonja McKinlay examined5 death rates from 10 serious diseases: tuberculosis, scarlet fever, influenzae, pneumonia, diphtheria, whooping cough, measles, smallpox, typhoid, and polio. In each case, the new therapy or vaccine credited with overcoming it was introduced well after the disease was in decline.
More recently, historian Thomas McKeown noted6 that deaths from bronchitis, pneumonia, and influenza had begun rapidly falling 35 years before the introduction of new medicines that were credited with their conquest. These historical analyses are relevant to the current pandemic.”
 
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SophieT

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‘Case’ Decline Preceded Widespread Implementation of Jab

As noted by Kaplan, COVID-19 “cases” peaked in early January 2021. January 8, more than 300,000 new positive test results were recorded on a daily basis. By February 21, that had declined to a daily new case count of 55,000. COVID-19 gene modification injections were granted emergency use authorization at the end of December 2020, but by February 21, only 5.9% of American adults had been fully vaccinated with two doses.

Despite such a low vaccination rate, new “cases” had declined by 82%. Considering health authorities claim we need 70% of Americans vaccinated in order to achieve herd immunity and stop the spread of this virus, this simply makes no sense. Clearly, the COVID shots had nothing to do with the decline in positive test results.

To be clear, reported cases mean positive test results, and we now know the vast majority of positive PCR tests have been, and still are, false positives. They’re not sick. They simply had a false “positive.” Right now, we’re also faced with yet another situation that complicates attempts at data analysis, and Kaplan understandably did not address any of these confounding factors.

But just so you’re aware, if you have been fully “vaccinated,” then the CDC recommends running the PCR test at a cycle threshold (CT) of 28 or lower, which dramatically lowers your chance of a false positive result, but if you are unvaccinated, the PCR test is recommended to be run at a CT of 40 or higher, virtually guaranteeing a false positive.

This is just one way by which the CDC is manipulating data to make the COVID shots appear more effective than they are. This also allows them to falsely claim that the vast majority of new cases are among the unvaccinated.

Naturally, if unvaccinated are tested in such a way as to maximize false positives, then they’re going to make up the bulk of the so-called caseload. In reality, though, the vast majority of them aren’t sick.

Meanwhile, those who have received the jabs only count as a COVID case if they’re hospitalized and/or die with a positive test result. These widely differing testing strategies skew the data and allow for false interpretations to be made.
 
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SophieT

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Natural Immunity Explains Decline in Cases
As noted by Kaplan, the most reasonable explanation for declining rates of SARS-CoV-2 appears to be natural immunity from previous infections, which vary considerably from state to state.7 He goes on to cite a study8 by the National Institutes of Health, which suggests SARS-CoV-2 prevalence was 4.8 times higher than previously thought, thanks to undiagnosed infection.

In other words, they claim that for every reported positive test result, there were likely nearly five additional people who had the infection but didn’t get a diagnosis. To analyze this data further, Kaplan calculated the natural immunity rate by dividing the new estimated number of people naturally infected by the population of any given state. He writes:9

“By mid-February 2021, an estimated 150 million people in the U.S. (30 million times five) may have had been infected with SARS-CoV-2. By April, I estimated the natural immunity rate to be above 55% in 10 states: Arizona, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, and Wisconsin.
At the other end of the continuum, I estimated the natural immunity rate to be below 35% in the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, New Hampshire, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Vermont, Virginia, and Washington …
By the end of 2020, new infections were already rapidly declining in nearly all of the 10 states where the majority may have had natural immunity, well before more than a minuscule percentage of Americans were fully vaccinated. In 80% of these states, the day when new cases were at their peak occurred before vaccines were available.
In contrast, the 10 states with lower rates of previous infections were much more likely to experience new upticks in Covid-19 cases in March and April ... By the end of May, states with fewer new infections had significantly lower vaccination rates than states with more new infections.”
COVID Shots Cannot Eliminate COVID-19
So, SARS-CoV-2 cases were actually higher in states where natural immunity was low but vaccination rates were high. Meanwhile, in states where natural immunity due to undiagnosed exposure was high, but vaccination rates were low, the daily new caseload was also lower.

This makes sense if natural immunity is highly effective (which, historically it has always been and there’s no reason to suspect SARS-CoV-2 is any different in that regard). It also makes sense if the COVID shots aren’t really offering any significant protection against infection, which we also know is the case.

Vaccine manufacturers have already admitted these COVID shots will not provide immunity, meaning they will not prevent you from being infected. The idea behind these gene modification injections is that if/when you do get infected, you’ll hopefully experience milder symptoms, even though you’re still infectious and can spread the virus to others.

Kaplan ends his analysis by saying that COVID shots are a safer way to achieve herd immunity, and that they are “the best tool available for assuring that the smoldering fire of [COVID-19] is extinguished.” I disagree, based on two major issues.

First, and perhaps most importantly, this is an untested “vaccine” and we have no idea of the short-term let alone long-term damage it will cause, as any reasonable effort at collecting this data has been actively suppressed. Secondly, the survivability of COVID-19 outside of nursing homes is 99.74%. If you’re under the age of 40, your chance of surviving a bout of COVID-19 is 99.99%.10,11,12

You can’t really improve your chances of surviving beyond that, so COVID shots cannot realistically end the pandemic. Meanwhile, the COVID shots come with an ever-growing list of potential side effects that can take years if not decades off your natural life span. The shots are particularly unnecessary for anyone with natural immunity,13 yet that’s what the CDC recommends.14

Why Push COVID Jab on Those with Natural Immunity?
In January 2021, Dr. Hooman Noorchashm, a cardiac surgeon and patient advocate, sent a public letter15 to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration commissioner detailing the risks of vaccinating individuals who have previously been infected with SARS-CoV-2, or who have an active SARS-CoV-2 infection.

He urged the FDA to require prescreening for SARS-CoV-2 viral proteins to reduce the risk of injuries and deaths following vaccination, as the vaccine may trigger an adverse immune response in those who have already been infected with the virus. In March 2021, Fox TV host Tucker Carlson interviewed him about these risks. In that interview, Noorchashm said:16

“I think it’s a dramatic error on part of public health officials to try to put this vaccine into a one-size-fits-all paradigm … We’re going to take this problem we have with the COVID-19 pandemic, where a half-percent of the population is susceptible to dying, and compound it by causing totally avoidable harm by vaccinating people who are already infected …
The signal is deafening, the people who are having complications or adverse events are the people who have recently or are currently or previously infected [with COVID]. I don’t think we can ignore this.”
In an email to The Defender, Noorchashm fleshed out his concerns, saying:17

“Viral antigens persist in the tissues of the naturally infected for months. When the vaccine is used too early after a natural infection, or worse during an active infection, the vaccine force activates a powerful immune response that attacks the tissues where the natural viral antigens are persisting. This, I suggest, is the cause of the high level of adverse events and, likely deaths, we are seeing in the recently infected following vaccination.”
Despite being widely ignored, Noorchashm continues to push for the implementation of prevaccine screening using PCR or rapid antigen testing to determine whether the individual has an active infection, and an IgG antibody test to determine past infection.

If either test is positive, he recommends delaying vaccination for a minimum of three to six months to allow your IgG levels to wane. At that point, he recommends testing your blood IgG level and use that as a guide to decide the timing of your vaccination.
 

Gardenias

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I don't think this is the mark either

but isn't there a choice with the mark? seems to be...maybe I am wrong


You are right the final choice will be, do I let my baby starve or die bc I refuse the mark and CAN'T get what I need w/o it!
 

Solemateleft

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From what I've researched on mRNA vaccines, everything is synthetically made... So the Moderna vaccine for example, wouldn't have MRC-5 in it.

If I'm mistaken, can you provide a credible source backing your claim that mRNA vaccines still have MRC-5 in them? (facebook is a toxic platform filled with misinformation, so please use an actual source)
Thanks for the friendly insight and hip-check...
Great idea, I'm sure that there are qualified experts out there who can help us track down the correct elements that are actually poison... Wondering if anyone else recalls seeing that information (w/Source) and can confirm the medical term for that substance...
 

Gardenias

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What is your definition of forced?



Mine is the same as the word..
Not to be able to buy or sell
get medical help ect.ect, to ONLY be able to do what you are forced to do against God!
Then be persecuted unto death!
 

ZNP

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What is your definition of forced?
I am pretty sure that even during the worst of the tribulation you will always be able to make a free choice to worship the Lord. As I understand it the choice will be -- Mark of the Beast or get your head chopped off, it is up to you.
 

PennEd

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Mine is the same as the word..
Not to be able to buy or sell
get medical help ect.ect, to ONLY be able to do what you are forced to do against God!
Then be persecuted unto death!
And you can't see all that happening NOW!?

It is true that not all that is happening everywhere.... YET.

But you'd have to be foolish not to think it isn't VERY near.
 

Aidan1

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The multiple shots and endless boosters are part of the Plan. They are leading everyone down a path that leads to = the Mark.

Break Free from Virus Fear
with our New Vaccine Cheer
Take a Jab or Two
it's the Best Way to do away with You
Too many People? Not a Problem
Round Up the Sheeple
and give them a Needle
They won't know till it's too Late
a Date with Death is their Fate

When the Worlds ills are Solved
We will have Fully Evolved
Some will continue to Say
Jesus Christ is the Only Way
They will lose their Life
When their Head falls under the Knife
Upon His Return many will Burn
But the Dead in Him will Rise above the Grim
And so too will those who Remain
and have kept Themselves Pure from the Shame
What is this from?
 
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This is NOT the mark!
God prepares and will prepare his people with the Spirit and wisdom!

It is also NOT forced!
Please read the scripture in the Spirit to gain understanding!

If it is fear that drives your stance,then it is NOT of faith,nor of God!

Come on people, lots of folks read here w/o being members,Garner up your thoughts b4 you post.
What will the Mark be? Do they have the technology for it today? Do you see it anywhere in use in other countries?
 

ZNP

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And you can't see all that happening NOW!?

It is true that not all that is happening everywhere.... YET.

But you'd have to be foolish not to think it isn't VERY near.
No, no, they promised that we just needed to flatten the curve, this would all be over in two weeks, I mean two months, I mean we'll have to shut down business and schools but that is only because Trump and DeSantis don't respect the science, not like Cuomo, but now that we have the vaccine, now it will be over, of course you have to have two shots, not one, I mean you then need a booster shot after six months, I mean look the real problem is the unvaccinated, once we put them into a leper colony then we'll be fine. Of course, if the problem persists we may have to chop a few heads off, but it is for the greater good, surely you can understand that.
 
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No, no, they promised that we just needed to flatten the curve, this would all be over in two weeks, I mean two months, I mean we'll have to shut down business and schools but that is only because Trump and DeSantis don't respect the science, not like Cuomo, but now that we have the vaccine, now it will be over, of course you have to have two shots, not one, I mean you then need a booster shot after six months, I mean look the real problem is the unvaccinated, once we put them into a leper colony then we'll be fine. Of course, if the problem persists we may have to chop a few heads off, but it is for the greater good, surely you can understand that.
AH YES, the Greater Good = "In fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God." John 16:3

Had they labeled the vaxx 'The Greater Good' , everyone would take it - christians would be first in line.

Didn't Franklin Graham call it that.....
 

iamsoandso

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No, no, they promised that we just needed to flatten the curve, this would all be over in two weeks, I mean two months, I mean we'll have to shut down business and schools but that is only because Trump and DeSantis don't respect the science, not like Cuomo, but now that we have the vaccine, now it will be over, of course you have to have two shots, not one, I mean you then need a booster shot after six months, I mean look the real problem is the unvaccinated, once we put them into a leper colony then we'll be fine. Of course, if the problem persists we may have to chop a few heads off, but it is for the greater good, surely you can understand that.

you forgot the part where half the US is vaccinated and wont catch it and all those who caught it have natural immunity because they now have antibodies. Makes you wonder where all the C-19 cases are coming from if we actually have antibodies right?
 
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