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SteveEpperson

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i love to talk about what God came down here to do for us on the Cross.
Yes, Amen.

This situation is, you are born in sin, and become a sinner, and you have no way of yourself to solve this.........at all.
Yes, this is me. So true.

and died on the Cross, for YOUR Sin. God "became sin" , on the Cross, and that means, all of yours
Yes, the atonement for sins past, present, and future.

And when you trust in Christ, believing, then God produces

I receive it today, and every day, Hallelujah!

Welcome to "the GIFT of Salvation"". Welcome to being BORN AGAIN.......... Welcome SAINT, ...to "the Gift of RIGHTEOUSNESS".
Amen. Thank you, Father, in the name of Jesus that I am the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ, my Lord, and Savior.
 
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Yes, Amen.



Yes, this is me. So true.



Yes, the atonement for sins past, present, and future.




I receive it today, and every day, Hallelujah!



Amen. Thank you, Father, in the name of Jesus that I am the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ, my Lord, and Savior.

Praise God !
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May I know which denomination or Church you belong and also some famous preachers that support your claim, that is we don't need any work after salvation. No fight no struggle just one easy slide into heaven.
The New Testament says that Jesus was beaten and whipped so badly before they Nailed Him to the Tree, that you could not recognize who He was..
So, if you think that is a "easy slide" into heaven, then you are very foolish.

See you believe you earn your way in to heaven, because you are a devout self saving, legalist. And that is why when the NT tells you that Jesus is the only way to Heaven, you want to oppose people who teach this Truth.
See yourself?
You are very obvious.... to the real believers.

And...
Who Taught me? Who are my Teachers ?

These..


The Apostle Paul
Adrian Rogers
James Kennedy
Lloyd Ogilvie
 
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May I know which denomination or Church you belong and also some famous preachers that support your claim, that is we don't need any work after salvation. No fight no struggle just one easy slide into heaven.
You said Ignore him then you Immediately posted to him.
 

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In your words how are they different?
The law of Moses is ministered externally by means of judges and priests which we do not have in the church ... except we find that folks who believe in law keeping are very judgemental. The law requires judges. It is administered by means of blessing or punishment.

Grace is the work that Christ has done in our hearts by means of the new birth which has completely changed who and what we are. It is a miraculous work. We are a new creation.
 
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The law requires judges.
The Law itself is the Judge.
The law and commandments are like a Holy Mirror that reflect us as unrighteous sinners.
When we are born again, the law no longer has any power to condemn, as "Christ has redeemed us from the Curse of the Law", and the born again "are become dead to the law by the Body of Christ".

You would not know that you are a sinner, or what was your sin, had not the Law Judged you for committing it, and defined you.
The term "against the law', is to recognize that the law has dominion that Judges .
The born again are "not under the Law, but under GRACE".
Grace is the law regarding the born again.
Paul said..."i would not have known sin, except through the Law".
 

Jesus_Leads

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The New Testament says that Jesus was beaten and whipped so badly before they Nailed Him to the Tree, that you could not recognize who He was..
So, if you think that is a "easy slide" into heaven, then you are very foolish.

See you believe you earn your way in to heaven, because you are a devout self saving, legalist. And that is why when the NT tells you that Jesus is the only way to Heaven, you want to oppose people who teach this Truth.
See yourself?
You are very obvious.... to the real believers.

And...
Who Taught me? Who are my Teachers ?

These..


The Apostle Paul
Adrian Rogers
James Kennedy
Lloyd Ogilvie
Your denomination???
 

Pilgrimshope

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#28
Those that believe we can stop sinning after we get saved will have problems with this statement.They will say"If you love me keep my commandments".

Side-note:Someone might say, since the same GOD that speaks In the new testament Is the same GOD that spoke In the old testament and since GODs WORD doesn't change we should continue to keep the law.
actually they will quote scripture like this to be rejected amongst you

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

of course the word grace is going to say that’s not what it says and the y might then wuote this type of verse

“Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Of course that probably doesn’t apply it’s in Hebrews son They might then wuote

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but yea that doesn’t mean anything either probably because it isn’t one of the eleven or however many scriptures that mention grace so it probably doesn’t apply either

but by the time you wittle out the other stuff you’ve omitted the New Testament that’s forever and gambled your soul on a couple scriptures plucked out of a message meant to be believed then it’s just unbelief and not surprising because well never believe the things we refuse to hear

and that’s sad because it’s rejecting the soirée of everlasting life

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we don’t get to invent our own way no matter how many books we’ve read about grace omitting the Word of God from faith there’s only one source of eternal
Life the blood is for remission the word is for life
 

Nehemiah6

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#29
In the old testament and since GODs WORD doesn't change we should continue to keep the law.
We need to carefully and properly explain what we mean when we say "the Law". "The Law" can apply to (1) the whole Tanakh (OT), (2) the Torah, (3) The Law of Moses under the Old Covenant, and (4) the Ten Commandments.

The Ten Commandments were written with the finger of God on tablets of stone on Mount Sinai. They are eternal, therefore under the New Covenant they are written on the hearts and minds of those who receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. And they are encapsulated in the two greatest commandments, which Christ distilled into one great Law -- the Law of Love (also called the Law of Christ, the Law of Liberty, or the Royal Law).

Are those who are saved by grace and born again under the Law of Christ? Absolutely. And Paul equates the Law of Christ with the Ten Commandments in Romans 13. Therefore Christians are not lawless, but love is the fulfilling of the Law.
 

Evmur

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#30
The Law itself is the Judge.
The law and commandments are like a Holy Mirror that reflect us as unrighteous sinners.
When we are born again, the law no longer has any power to condemn, as "Christ has redeemed us from the Curse of the Law", and the born again "are become dead to the law by the Body of Christ".

You would not know that you are a sinner, or what was your sin, had not the Law Judged you for committing it, and defined you.
The term "against the law', is to recognize that the law has dominion that Judges .
The born again are "not under the Law, but under GRACE".
Grace is the law regarding the born again.
Paul said..."i would not have known sin, except through the Law".
If you read Paul's sermons to the gentiles in Acts you see but little of this idea of convicting people of their sins, indeed he says in times past God winked at sin but now He calls all men to repentance. It is the Holy Spirit's job to convict people of their sins.

I am not saying we need not repent or that God treats lightly of our sins, I am saying it is the Holy Spirit's job to show people and He is very good at it.

I think people do know they are sinners.

To preach the law is to magnify sin. I believe the reason homosexuality has spread like wildfire is because preachers have thundered against it from the pulpits ... and every other kind of wickedness.
 

Evmur

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Those that believe we can stop sinning after we get saved will have problems with this statement.They will say"If you love me keep my commandments".

Side-note:Someone might say, since the same GOD that speaks In the new testament Is the same GOD that spoke In the old testament and since GODs WORD doesn't change we should continue to keep the law.
But God's word does change, His covenants change. The new covenant is not the same as the old covenant. The new covenant is way out of sight better than the old covenant ... why then would any desire to go back to the old covenant which is done away.?
 
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But God's word does change, His covenants change. The new covenant is not the same as the old covenant. The new covenant is way out of sight better than the old covenant ... why then would any desire to go back to the old covenant which is done away.?
I wanted to like your post but I wasn’t sure If you meant to say but GODs WORD doesn’t change,HIs covenant changed and you ran out of edit time or If you really did mean to say GODs WORD does change.
 
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To preach the law is to magnify sin. I believe the reason homosexuality has spread like wildfire is because preachers have thundered against it from the pulpits ... and every other kind of wickedness.
In 2003-4, in the USA, the Texas Supreme Court legalized "sodomy"..
That is sexual intercourse between males, as LEGAL.
From that moment, the homosexual agenda was born and has flourished.

The GAY agenda, is to immerse the culture, using all media outlets, into the idea of "GAY", and by this association with all things "GAY"< the culture becomes dead to it, use to it and accepts it.
And that is how it progresses...... and now in the USA, "Gay" has civil rights, ethnic status, and is found in elementary school curriculum....and in all TV commercials.

And what is Gay? Its sex acts between the same GENDER......That is what DEFINES "homosexual"... So, when you give this situation "rights", you are giving the sex acts, the rights, as its the perverted sex acts that DEFINE= "what is a homosexual".
See it?
So....
That is how you TRAIN a CULTURE to accepts what GOD HATES., and it has now become accepted.

The USA exports it. The USA has trained the rest of the world how to THINK = .....>"Gay marriage"..."Gay adoption"....."Gay SEX is normal, as they are born this way"..
From these beginnings, in 2004, you now have "Transgender" as symptom of this perverted Pandora's box being turned loose in the USA that is now in many countries as LEGALIZED.
Oddly enough Russia outlaws it, and so does ISLAM.

Here is something interesting....
In 2004 i was on FORUMS.........telling people...........'"Gay is coming.....They are going to use it on your kids in School. They are going to preach it as "normal" in the MEDIA, and there will be GAY pastors and Gay Churches........its COMING, so you better hide your kids and stay alert."""""
What happened to me, in those years?
I was LAUGHED AT......."you're crazy". "You're a homophobe".... "You need to see a shrink"......"You have no LOVE NO LOVE NO LOVE"..

Uh huh.
Right.
Reader ive been to the area of Sodom and Gomorrah. Its not a JOKE, its not a MYTH>.....the ashes are in the rock, left there after God burned Sodomites into ashes...
The "flood'? Noah? Remember that? God was drowning "GAY"......off the planet.
And now you have it on your TV and in your CHURCH, and everywhere you look........

Look out your window.....
Gays are in your street, Gays are in your pulpits, Gays are protected on Christian forums..

And it is going to get worse.
 

Evmur

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#35
In 2003-4, in the USA, the Texas Supreme Court legalized "sodomy"..
That is sexual intercourse between males, as LEGAL.
From that moment, the homosexual agenda was born and has flourished.

The GAY agenda, is to immerse the culture, using all media outlets, into the idea of "GAY", and by this association with all things "GAY"< the culture becomes dead to it, use to it and accepts it.
And that is how it progresses...... and now in the USA, "Gay" has civil rights, ethnic status, and is found in elementary school curriculum....and in all TV commercials.

And what is Gay? Its sex acts between the same GENDER......That is what DEFINES "homosexual"... So, when you give this situation "rights", you are giving the sex acts, the rights, as its the perverted sex acts that DEFINE= "what is a homosexual".
See it?
So....
That is how you TRAIN a CULTURE to accepts what GOD HATES., and it has now become accepted.

The USA exports it. The USA has trained the rest of the world how to THINK = .....>"Gay marriage"..."Gay adoption"....."Gay SEX is normal, as they are born this way"..
From these beginnings, in 2004, you now have "Transgender" as symptom of this perverted Pandora's box being turned loose in the USA that is now in many countries as LEGALIZED.
Oddly enough Russia outlaws it, and so does ISLAM.

Here is something interesting....
In 2004 i was on FORUMS.........telling people...........'"Gay is coming.....They are going to use it on your kids in School. They are going to preach it as "normal" in the MEDIA, and there will be GAY pastors and Gay Churches........its COMING, so you better hide your kids and stay alert."""""
What happened to me, in those years?
I was LAUGHED AT......."you're crazy". "You're a homophobe".... "You need to see a shrink"......"You have no LOVE NO LOVE NO LOVE"..

Uh huh.
Right.
Reader ive been to the area of Sodom and Gomorrah. Its not a JOKE, its not a MYTH>.....the ashes are in the rock, left there after God burned Sodomites into ashes...
The "flood'? Noah? Remember that? God was drowning "GAY"......off the planet.
And now you have it on your TV and in your CHURCH, and everywhere you look........

Look out your window.....
Gays are in your street, Gays are in your pulpits, Gays are protected on Christian forums..

And it is going to get worse.
The church ought never to have brought it to worldly judges to decide the matter ... just as they did with evolution. Of COURSE they lost the case and the argument.

The weapons of our warfare are spiritual.
 
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The church ought never to have brought it to worldly judges to decide the matter ... just as they did with evolution. Of COURSE they lost the case and the argument.

The weapons of our warfare are spiritual.
It was homosexuals who brought the case to the Texas Supreme Court, and more then likely it was a couple of Homosexual Justices that changed the law.
 
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The Master teaches us how the law is under grace. Actually He teaaches how the law must contain grace or it is not a law.
There Is no grace in law. Only condemnation.
 
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The laws are the laws, they are not optional. Heaaven is not like california, where you are allowed to steal and not be prosecuted, as long as it is under 1 000 dollars.
 

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#39
It was homosexuals who brought the case to the Texas Supreme Court, and more then likely it was a couple of Homosexual Justices that changed the law.
God's power is mighty to the pulling down of strongholds and all wicked imaginations of men.