Once you act on Rom 10:9, you are born again of holy spirit. You can then manifest it. ie: speak in tongues, along with the rest of the manifestations. If you are not born again, you cannot speak in tongues. Therefore, speaking in tongues is proof you are born again. Sadly, this does not mean that all who are born again will speak in tongues, but they could.
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shroom2 i don't want to argue and perhaps I'm misunderstanding you but you make it sound like you can pick your gifts and that is not the case. The Holy Spirit moves and can cause anyone to speak in tongues but it is NOT controlled by the person. This is God not sorcery. It does not come by demand and tongues, miracles, and even prophecies can be faked.
there is a spirit of prophecy that tormented a girl in Acts and Paul had to cast out that demon and was beaten for it because people made money off her predictions and "soothsaying"
there is a spirit of prophecy that tormented a girl in Acts and Paul had to cast out that demon and was beaten for it because people made money off her predictions and "soothsaying"
Ananda,
Tongues is not a gift. It is a manifestation of the gift of holy spirit. IOW, the gift is holy spirit. That's what we get freely from God when we act on Rom 10:9. That one gift has nine manifestations, or evidences. One of those is speaking in tongues.
Think of the gift like a Swiss army knife, with nine tools. If I gave you that knife, it would be yours. You could put it in your pocket and never use a single tool. Or, you could look at it, learn about is, unfold the tools and try them out. But YOU have to do it. YOU control the tools.
Sadly, most Christians today receive holy spirit, but never do anything with it. They wait on God to move them. God has already moved, He's waiting on you.
Tongues is not a gift. It is a manifestation of the gift of holy spirit. IOW, the gift is holy spirit. That's what we get freely from God when we act on Rom 10:9. That one gift has nine manifestations, or evidences. One of those is speaking in tongues.
Think of the gift like a Swiss army knife, with nine tools. If I gave you that knife, it would be yours. You could put it in your pocket and never use a single tool. Or, you could look at it, learn about is, unfold the tools and try them out. But YOU have to do it. YOU control the tools.
Sadly, most Christians today receive holy spirit, but never do anything with it. They wait on God to move them. God has already moved, He's waiting on you.
M
LAD: "What if i don't run out of words? I never have before.." ONLY the Holy Spirit can pray the PERFECT WILL of God and He chooses US to do it through. So regardless of your many (UNrepititious?) words, no human can pray the perfect will of God outside of praying His written word back to Him. And then, of course, you WILL run into repetition.
ANANDAHYA: "speaking in tongues is NOT proof you are born again. I believe in speaking in tongues but not that it is proof of salvation or it should be gibberish done publically unless an interpretor is there and it edifies the church. Correct. Tongues is NOT proof of salvation. In fact, BIBLICAL tongues can be mimicked by demons. It usually sounds different from Biblical tongues...has a harshness or something just...'off'; it is a mimicry and NOT the tongues of the Holy Spirit.God sees people's hearts and condemns those who claim gifts from Him that He has NOT given them. Right....they would be counterfeits. However....it is quite difficult to operate in a LOVING gift without actually having that gift. The only gift that could 'somewhat easily' be imitated is that of prophecy....which soon becomes evident if it is false because it either leads the hearer AWAY from Jesus, OR the fruit of the 'prophet' is revealed as not being 'fresh' or 'good'.
we should all guard our tongues for we will be held to account for every word uttered. True.
It is true that a demon can possess a person and make them speak in a foreign language that the person does not know, but that is possession.
If you, of your own free will, speak in tongues, it is the genuine article.
If you, of your own free will, speak in tongues, you ARE born again. It cannot be counterfeited.
If you, of your own free will, speak in tongues, it is the genuine article.
If you, of your own free will, speak in tongues, you ARE born again. It cannot be counterfeited.
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ok AGAIN i will ask you guys NOT to argue on this thread because that was not my intention i wanted answers NOT disagreements and petty little debates. Please stop. And ive noticed weve now gone way off track and started talking about tongues, granted i had a part in this but can we all turn it back around to the baptism of the Spirit.
The main question i want answered is how does one obtain the baptism of the Spirit? Keep in mind, ive been baptised with water, i am a born again christian and ive asked many times for the baptism of the Spirit and have received nothing, i dont feel more spiritual, i dont speak in tongues, i dont know how to heal, i dont seem to have any gift etc etc.
The main question i want answered is how does one obtain the baptism of the Spirit? Keep in mind, ive been baptised with water, i am a born again christian and ive asked many times for the baptism of the Spirit and have received nothing, i dont feel more spiritual, i dont speak in tongues, i dont know how to heal, i dont seem to have any gift etc etc.
L
Romans 12:6
(6) Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
1 Corinthians 12:4
(4) Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:10
(10) To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1 Corinthians 12:28
(28) And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. (Last on list)
1 Corinthians 12:30
(30) Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Acts 2:4-6
(4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
(5) And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
(6) Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
(6) Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
1 Corinthians 12:4
(4) Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:10
(10) To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1 Corinthians 12:28
(28) And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. (Last on list)
1 Corinthians 12:30
(30) Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Acts 2:4-6
(4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
(5) And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
(6) Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
but it is The Acts OF THE APOSTLES.
that's the whole point!
The Acts of the Apostles (Greek: Πράξεις τῶν Ἀποστόλων, Práxeis tōn Apostólōn; Latin: Acta Apostolorum), usually referred to simply as Acts, is the fifth book of the New Testament; Acts outlines the history of the Apostolic Age. The author is traditionally identified as Luke the Evangelist, see Authorship of Luke-Acts for details.
well, if one reads that Book and thinks it is written about them, i suppose they could (and do) apply it to themselves and try to recreate the same ACTS.
unfortunately as anyone can see, they don't have much success, since they were NEVER given those foundational gifts.
RESULT:
the real Acts of The Apostles are made tepid, since we think they are what we see today.
WHAT A RIP-OFF for the Apostles!
that's the whole point!
The Acts of the Apostles (Greek: Πράξεις τῶν Ἀποστόλων, Práxeis tōn Apostólōn; Latin: Acta Apostolorum), usually referred to simply as Acts, is the fifth book of the New Testament; Acts outlines the history of the Apostolic Age. The author is traditionally identified as Luke the Evangelist, see Authorship of Luke-Acts for details.
well, if one reads that Book and thinks it is written about them, i suppose they could (and do) apply it to themselves and try to recreate the same ACTS.
unfortunately as anyone can see, they don't have much success, since they were NEVER given those foundational gifts.
RESULT:
the real Acts of The Apostles are made tepid, since we think they are what we see today.
WHAT A RIP-OFF for the Apostles!
that's EXACTLY what that passage is about:
Corinth receiving the miraculous ability to speak OTHER LANGUAGES and everybody showing off and nobody understanding each other.
it was a miracle, for a purpose, it was real languges, and it ceased when the people of the nations could teach their own people.
simple...but very unpopular.
Corinth receiving the miraculous ability to speak OTHER LANGUAGES and everybody showing off and nobody understanding each other.
it was a miracle, for a purpose, it was real languges, and it ceased when the people of the nations could teach their own people.
simple...but very unpopular.
LOL!
okay! i'm glad.
the power and conviction of The Holy Spirit working sanctification in you is directly proportionate to the amount of the scriptures (sermons) you partake in. fellowship keeps you accountable and supported.
there's plenty of Law to convict, and plenty of encouragement to carry on.
overcoming sin is a lifetime struggle...it's no fun, but chastisement means you are His.
z
okay! i'm glad.
the power and conviction of The Holy Spirit working sanctification in you is directly proportionate to the amount of the scriptures (sermons) you partake in. fellowship keeps you accountable and supported.
there's plenty of Law to convict, and plenty of encouragement to carry on.
overcoming sin is a lifetime struggle...it's no fun, but chastisement means you are His.
z
as i said before you asked many times now you just have to be patient it is promised it will come.
but if you start doubting and start wavering your faith to were you dont believe it will happen then it wont.
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. ( Matthew 11:23 )
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
( Hebrews 10:36 )
And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. ( Hebrews 6:15 )
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. ( James 1:5-8 )
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. ( Hebrews 11:1 )
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. ( Mark 9:23 )
but if you start doubting and start wavering your faith to were you dont believe it will happen then it wont.
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. ( Matthew 11:23 )
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
( Hebrews 10:36 )
And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. ( Hebrews 6:15 )
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. ( James 1:5-8 )
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. ( Hebrews 11:1 )
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. ( Mark 9:23 )
F
I think it's funny and somewhat ridiculous that people believe that the gift of tongues is no longer relevant or needed. In the area where I live, I run across more people in a single day who speak different languages than your average first century believer probably met in a lifetime. I could go to any apartment complex in my town and find anywhere from 5 to 15 different languages represented.The way I look at it, the gifts of tongues is needed more now than it ever was.