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God's Empowering Presence
'...You will revceive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you...' (v.8)
What do Spider-man 3, Shrek the Third and Pirates of the Carribean 3 all have in common? They are all sequels. Often a sequel is not as good as the original. Here in the book of Acts, we have a sequel to the Gospel of Luke, telling the continuing story of Jesus' life on earth. But this time Jesus will not be confined to one body; He will send His Spirit to dwell in believers, and together they will be His Body. This is an exciting sequel.
Jesus gives clear instructions to His disciples'...wait for the gift my Father promised...' (v.4). His last words before his crucifixion were about the Holy Spirit, and so are His last words before His ascension. I wonder what the disciples thought the 'gift' would be like? The word used in verse 5 for ' baptise' is the Greek baptizo, meaning 'to plunge'- the disciples could expect to be plunged into the Holy Spirit.
What was the gift for? ' You will receive power when the Holy spirit comes on you...' (v.8, my italics). The word for 'power' here is the Greek word dunamis, from which we get 'dynamite'. Dynamic power! This power is not given to them so that they can have despotic rule and reign or superior knowledge of times and dates when future events will occur; it is given to them so that they can be witnessses to Jesus wherever they are- ultimately, all over the world. To witness means to declare what you know.
And what do we know? We know that Jesus Christ, the Saviour, who has opened the way to eternal life. He can break the power of sin. He can forgive. He can restore failed people, heal sickness, change lives, give hope. We have a mighty message, and we need dunamis power to procllaim it.
Lord, thank You that you didn't
leave us to struggle on our own;
You sent the Spirit to empower
us to live. Father, I ask for your gift today.
The Holy spirit is the comforter, helper and counsellor. We can pray in the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus to Our beloved Father.
'...You will revceive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you...' (v.8)
What do Spider-man 3, Shrek the Third and Pirates of the Carribean 3 all have in common? They are all sequels. Often a sequel is not as good as the original. Here in the book of Acts, we have a sequel to the Gospel of Luke, telling the continuing story of Jesus' life on earth. But this time Jesus will not be confined to one body; He will send His Spirit to dwell in believers, and together they will be His Body. This is an exciting sequel.
Jesus gives clear instructions to His disciples'...wait for the gift my Father promised...' (v.4). His last words before his crucifixion were about the Holy Spirit, and so are His last words before His ascension. I wonder what the disciples thought the 'gift' would be like? The word used in verse 5 for ' baptise' is the Greek baptizo, meaning 'to plunge'- the disciples could expect to be plunged into the Holy Spirit.
What was the gift for? ' You will receive power when the Holy spirit comes on you...' (v.8, my italics). The word for 'power' here is the Greek word dunamis, from which we get 'dynamite'. Dynamic power! This power is not given to them so that they can have despotic rule and reign or superior knowledge of times and dates when future events will occur; it is given to them so that they can be witnessses to Jesus wherever they are- ultimately, all over the world. To witness means to declare what you know.
And what do we know? We know that Jesus Christ, the Saviour, who has opened the way to eternal life. He can break the power of sin. He can forgive. He can restore failed people, heal sickness, change lives, give hope. We have a mighty message, and we need dunamis power to procllaim it.
Lord, thank You that you didn't
leave us to struggle on our own;
You sent the Spirit to empower
us to live. Father, I ask for your gift today.
The Holy spirit is the comforter, helper and counsellor. We can pray in the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus to Our beloved Father.
Quote: 'What was the gift for? ' You will receive power when the Holy spirit comes on you...' (v.8, my italics). The word for 'power' here is the Greek word dunamis, from which we get 'dynamite'. Dynamic power! This power is not given to them so that they can have despotic rule and reign or superior knowledge of times and dates when future events will occur; it is given to them so that they can be witnessses to Jesus wherever they are- ultimately, all over the world. To witness means to declare what you know'.
Isn't it the same Holy Spirit that moved and inspired men to write the Holy scriptures? Isn't it the same Holy Spirit that guides us into all truth? The Holy Spirit leads us and fills us, it is the Spirit that we walk in and live by and it is the Spirit that bears His fruit in our life. Do you think is if fruitful to have the wrong knowledge about the second coming? Would the Holy Spirit be a good guide if He guided us into error instead of the truth.
It is wrong to set dates concerning the day and hour of the return of Christ. Do you think that the Holy Spirit inspired men to write the scriptures that testify that the Church, Christ's bride, is going to be appointed to the wrath of God? We were born under the wrath of God but when we believed it was removed (John 3:36). Are you appointed to wrath? What do the scriptures say about that? Wouldn't the Holy Spirit tell you the truth about God's wrath, if He did not, then that would make Him a liar and not the Spirit of truth (John 14:17).
John 16:13-15 'Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Isn't it the same Holy Spirit that moved and inspired men to write the Holy scriptures? Isn't it the same Holy Spirit that guides us into all truth? The Holy Spirit leads us and fills us, it is the Spirit that we walk in and live by and it is the Spirit that bears His fruit in our life. Do you think is if fruitful to have the wrong knowledge about the second coming? Would the Holy Spirit be a good guide if He guided us into error instead of the truth.
It is wrong to set dates concerning the day and hour of the return of Christ. Do you think that the Holy Spirit inspired men to write the scriptures that testify that the Church, Christ's bride, is going to be appointed to the wrath of God? We were born under the wrath of God but when we believed it was removed (John 3:36). Are you appointed to wrath? What do the scriptures say about that? Wouldn't the Holy Spirit tell you the truth about God's wrath, if He did not, then that would make Him a liar and not the Spirit of truth (John 14:17).
John 16:13-15 'Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
K
This the way I see it...
God is the father, creator of all things, ruling and reigning from on high. Christ now sits at the Father's right hand, interceding for his people. The Holy Spirit is basically the hands and voice of God in the earth during the present age. They are as one, operating in complete unison with one another.
While I will agree that there are some charismatics out there who take far too many liberties. On the opposite side of the same token, there are a lot of legalists out there who use scripture out of malevolence, looking for any reason no matter how small, to criticize and tear down those who do not share their opinions.
God is the father, creator of all things, ruling and reigning from on high. Christ now sits at the Father's right hand, interceding for his people. The Holy Spirit is basically the hands and voice of God in the earth during the present age. They are as one, operating in complete unison with one another.
While I will agree that there are some charismatics out there who take far too many liberties. On the opposite side of the same token, there are a lot of legalists out there who use scripture out of malevolence, looking for any reason no matter how small, to criticize and tear down those who do not share their opinions.
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Anything that dismisses the Word of God should not be considered a work of God.
It is hypocrisey to call for the Holy Spirit to come when He is in you. ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2 & John 14:16-17)
It is against the faith in Jesus Christ. ( 2 Corinthians 13:5)
It blurs the line of discernment given in testing the spirits. ( 1 John 4:3-5)
And Jesus said... don't go there.
Jesus also said that an adulterous generation is one that seeks after a sign.
You cannot get closer to the Holy Spirit than you are already. Either be witnesses of Jesus Christ and what He has done, or you are serving something else in His name which is not of the Gospel and thus a work of inqiuity. ( 1 Corinthians 2:2)
Those who love Jesus shall read His words for guidance. John 14:6 is the commandment of His invitation in how one is to approach God the Father... and that is only through the Son. God the Father meant what He has said... only one way to Him.. and that is through Jesus.
There are no invitations to the Holy Spirit for it is by Jesus Christ, we have received the promise of the Spirit by faith: ( Galatians 3:14,26) Climb up any other way, is a work of iniquity. (John 10:1,7-9)
If the Holy Spirit in you is pointing you to Jesus, then you are not listening to Him when you are "going to" the Holy Spirit.
It is hypocrisey to call for the Holy Spirit to come when He is in you. ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2 & John 14:16-17)
It is against the faith in Jesus Christ. ( 2 Corinthians 13:5)
It blurs the line of discernment given in testing the spirits. ( 1 John 4:3-5)
And Jesus said... don't go there.
Jesus also said that an adulterous generation is one that seeks after a sign.
You cannot get closer to the Holy Spirit than you are already. Either be witnesses of Jesus Christ and what He has done, or you are serving something else in His name which is not of the Gospel and thus a work of inqiuity. ( 1 Corinthians 2:2)
Those who love Jesus shall read His words for guidance. John 14:6 is the commandment of His invitation in how one is to approach God the Father... and that is only through the Son. God the Father meant what He has said... only one way to Him.. and that is through Jesus.
There are no invitations to the Holy Spirit for it is by Jesus Christ, we have received the promise of the Spirit by faith: ( Galatians 3:14,26) Climb up any other way, is a work of iniquity. (John 10:1,7-9)
If the Holy Spirit in you is pointing you to Jesus, then you are not listening to Him when you are "going to" the Holy Spirit.
B
If the Holy Spirit that was sent to dwell in you, seeks to testify and glorify Jesus Christ and not speak of Himself, then how can the Holy Spirit be in the spotlight in the worship place if the name of Jesus is above every other name?
This is another example of not listening to the Holy Spirit in you when He is pointing you to Jesus in order to come to the Father in worship and praise. (John 13:31-32 & John 17:1-5 & John 5:22-23 & John 14:6) His words are written in that way for a reason.
You put the Holy Spirit in the place to be worshipped, then you allow other spirits to come in and steal the spotlight off of Jesus Christ.
That is why the warning has been given about broadening the Way in approaching God the Father and the solution is to narrow the Way back to the straight gate: Jesus Christ; our first love. That is Whom the Holy Spirit in you is pointing you towards so that you may avoid false spirits as well as false prophets. ( Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30)
May God cause the increase.
This is another example of not listening to the Holy Spirit in you when He is pointing you to Jesus in order to come to the Father in worship and praise. (John 13:31-32 & John 17:1-5 & John 5:22-23 & John 14:6) His words are written in that way for a reason.
You put the Holy Spirit in the place to be worshipped, then you allow other spirits to come in and steal the spotlight off of Jesus Christ.
That is why the warning has been given about broadening the Way in approaching God the Father and the solution is to narrow the Way back to the straight gate: Jesus Christ; our first love. That is Whom the Holy Spirit in you is pointing you towards so that you may avoid false spirits as well as false prophets. ( Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30)
May God cause the increase.
B
This is true as long as you understand that the words the Holy Spirit are saying to you are not His won words, but whatever He hears, that He speaks as this scriptures testifies ( John 16:13) in that there is only one Shepherd to the flock and one Head of the Church and that is Jesus Christ, the author and finisher of our faith. As the Holy Spirit guides us, it is in the understanding also that it is Jesus Christ that guides us through the Holy Spirit in us.
In all of this guidance from the Holy Spirit, He does not speak of Himself nor points to Himself, but to Jesus. So when believers are offering invitations or pointing to the Holy Spirit, they are not listening to the Holy Spirit in them to follow their Good Shepherd as all eyes should be on Him; our first love. To know Jesus is to know God through the scriptures of all his promises to us so that our love may abound yet more and more in the knowledge of Him.
In all of this guidance from the Holy Spirit, He does not speak of Himself nor points to Himself, but to Jesus. So when believers are offering invitations or pointing to the Holy Spirit, they are not listening to the Holy Spirit in them to follow their Good Shepherd as all eyes should be on Him; our first love. To know Jesus is to know God through the scriptures of all his promises to us so that our love may abound yet more and more in the knowledge of Him.
B
Jesus taught a prayer that would suggest what you are saying, so it cannot be religious.
Matthew 6:9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11Give us this day our daily bread. 12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Although we are free to pray to the Father, it is by Jesus we have access to the Father, and we are free to pray to Him as well for help in our time of need.
Hebrews 4:14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
No prayers are to be given to the Holy Spirit for that is not His role nor office to partake in.
1 Timothy 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Specified.. the man, Christ Jesus... in prayer and in worship in coming to the Father.
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
God meant what He said. No.. ifs.. no buts.. no.. [the Holy Spirit is God so we can go to the Holy Spirit "instead of Christ"] for that would make the "Holy Spirit" the anti-christ by definition and by the word of God and thus we know the Holy Spirit is not the anti-christ and thus we are to go to Jesus Christ in prayer and by Him we can pray to the Father as well. No other way.
John 5: 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
The way to approach God the Father through the Son is narrow and necessary because there are other spirits in the world that would love the spotlight in the worship place and so no place can be given to the Holy Spirit since we are to be witnesses of Jesus Christ that He is in us as promised for coming to and believing in Jesus.
1 Corinthians 14:21In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
Manifestations of the Spirit are given to edify the assembly of believers in the knowledge of Him so that our love may abound yet more and more. They are given for the glory of Jesus Christ; not for the glory of them being manfested by the "Spirit" to give glory to the "Spirit" or exalt a movement in the name of the "Spirit", for the real indwelling Holy Spirit seeks to glorify Jesus Christ by bearing testimony of the Son as we are to be witnesses of what God has done for us through Jesus Christ the Lord... that God is in us of a truth... not... "God is in this place...." for that does not testify to what God has done.... so the Holy Spirit would not care to draw attention to Himself by being felt in the worship place for He will not fail as a witness of Jesus Christ in glorifying the Son for He is God as well. Man will fail, but the Holy Spirit in us shall not fail. Thus the reason why the call is made to "believers" to narrow the way back to Jesus as all eyes should be on Him anyway, Our Bridegroom. He shall be appearing soon.
Matthew 6:9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11Give us this day our daily bread. 12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Although we are free to pray to the Father, it is by Jesus we have access to the Father, and we are free to pray to Him as well for help in our time of need.
Hebrews 4:14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
No prayers are to be given to the Holy Spirit for that is not His role nor office to partake in.
1 Timothy 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Specified.. the man, Christ Jesus... in prayer and in worship in coming to the Father.
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
God meant what He said. No.. ifs.. no buts.. no.. [the Holy Spirit is God so we can go to the Holy Spirit "instead of Christ"] for that would make the "Holy Spirit" the anti-christ by definition and by the word of God and thus we know the Holy Spirit is not the anti-christ and thus we are to go to Jesus Christ in prayer and by Him we can pray to the Father as well. No other way.
John 5: 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
The way to approach God the Father through the Son is narrow and necessary because there are other spirits in the world that would love the spotlight in the worship place and so no place can be given to the Holy Spirit since we are to be witnesses of Jesus Christ that He is in us as promised for coming to and believing in Jesus.
1 Corinthians 14:21In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
Manifestations of the Spirit are given to edify the assembly of believers in the knowledge of Him so that our love may abound yet more and more. They are given for the glory of Jesus Christ; not for the glory of them being manfested by the "Spirit" to give glory to the "Spirit" or exalt a movement in the name of the "Spirit", for the real indwelling Holy Spirit seeks to glorify Jesus Christ by bearing testimony of the Son as we are to be witnesses of what God has done for us through Jesus Christ the Lord... that God is in us of a truth... not... "God is in this place...." for that does not testify to what God has done.... so the Holy Spirit would not care to draw attention to Himself by being felt in the worship place for He will not fail as a witness of Jesus Christ in glorifying the Son for He is God as well. Man will fail, but the Holy Spirit in us shall not fail. Thus the reason why the call is made to "believers" to narrow the way back to Jesus as all eyes should be on Him anyway, Our Bridegroom. He shall be appearing soon.
Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Act 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
If the Holy spirit ia given upon salvationb then why did the apostals have to pray for Him to come upon the samaritains?
Act 4:8-
Act 4:31
another place where the apostals prayed for the Holy Spirit to fall upon them for stringth.
Im not saying what is right or wrong,Im just saying I can see where they are geting what they are doing in calling down the HolySpirit for stringth and worship.We All know that he apostals Had the Holy spirit All the time,But in these verses we see they called for more stringth through the Holy Spirit.
As for fleecing the flock for money in the name of the Lord...These and many other So Called"churches"will definatly answer for it.Through and by the self same Spirit they are calling upon.So I,d just sit back and watch the light show.hahahahahaaha
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Act 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
If the Holy spirit ia given upon salvationb then why did the apostals have to pray for Him to come upon the samaritains?
Act 4:8-
Act 4:31
another place where the apostals prayed for the Holy Spirit to fall upon them for stringth.
Im not saying what is right or wrong,Im just saying I can see where they are geting what they are doing in calling down the HolySpirit for stringth and worship.We All know that he apostals Had the Holy spirit All the time,But in these verses we see they called for more stringth through the Holy Spirit.
As for fleecing the flock for money in the name of the Lord...These and many other So Called"churches"will definatly answer for it.Through and by the self same Spirit they are calling upon.So I,d just sit back and watch the light show.hahahahahaaha
B
Sorry, brother, but no. John 10:1,7-9 dictates that the Holy Spirit is not serving as an inbetween us and Jesus. The Holy Spirit cannot fit the description of the thief by the Word of God and neither can the Holy Spirit fit the description of the anti-christ which means "instead of Christ".
This is where discernment seems to be lacking everywhere in regards to prayer language.
1 Corinthians 14:32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
How can we be instructed not to quench the Spirit if He can "take over" and pray for us? How can we be instructed in the assembly to be silent of there is no interpretor?
1 Corinthians 14: 27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
How can women speak in tongues when the Lord has given the commandment for women not to speak in the assembly?
1 Corinthians 14: 34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
If God the Father knows before we even ask Him, then why would He have the "Spirit" praying in a prayer language of vain repetition and nonsensical babblings?
Matthew 6: 5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Read that passage again with His help. How can the Holy Spirit maketh intercessions with groanings which cannot be uttered... hence "no sound"? Why was the Holy Spirit referred to as "itself" instead of "himself"? We read on in verse 27 where the "he" which searcheth our hearts AND knoweth the mind of the Spirit for it is "he" that intercedes for the saints in according to the will of God. So by having the Comforter in us, the Mediator can fulfills His job and why the Father already knows before we even ask.
Romans 8:26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
So prayer language is an assumption made by believers when no interpretor has been forthcoming. Paul was downplaying the importance of tongues in favor of prophesy as the gift of all spiritual gifts to seek, but somehow, in his effort to downplay tongues, readers saw only a validation for "praying in tongues".
but from way you explained it they are just asking the Holy Spirit to help them worship, if a Church doesn't have the Holy Spirit Guideing it's worship I wouldn't want to be at that service..[/QUOTE]
The way AliciaforJesus is explaining it is utter and complete hypocrosey for anyone to call for the Holy Spirit to come when He is already in us as promised for coming to and believing in Jesus. No manifestations given by the Spirit would give the report of "God being in this place"... but rather...
1 Corinthians 14: 21In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
Verse 21 is a declaration once again for what tongues are... languages of men.. not a prayer language. From all that I have shared by His grace, there is no need for prayer language.
Indeed, by testing that practise, it is similar tothe rudiment of voodooists and mediums when they consult familiar spirits. There is no need to be "praying in the spirit" in the sense that the "spirit" takes over us. Whenever we pray or witness for Jesus... it is in the Spirit. There is no need for a manifestation of that natire nor would the Spirit remove a fruit of temperance which is self-control for the purpose of prayer language. Time to put those walls back up. Narrow the Way back to Jesus.
Proverbs 25: 25As cold waters to a thirsty soul, so is good news from a far country. 26A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
John 6:35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Matthew 7: 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.......21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
This is where discernment seems to be lacking everywhere in regards to prayer language.
1 Corinthians 14:32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
How can we be instructed not to quench the Spirit if He can "take over" and pray for us? How can we be instructed in the assembly to be silent of there is no interpretor?
1 Corinthians 14: 27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
How can women speak in tongues when the Lord has given the commandment for women not to speak in the assembly?
1 Corinthians 14: 34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
If God the Father knows before we even ask Him, then why would He have the "Spirit" praying in a prayer language of vain repetition and nonsensical babblings?
Matthew 6: 5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Read that passage again with His help. How can the Holy Spirit maketh intercessions with groanings which cannot be uttered... hence "no sound"? Why was the Holy Spirit referred to as "itself" instead of "himself"? We read on in verse 27 where the "he" which searcheth our hearts AND knoweth the mind of the Spirit for it is "he" that intercedes for the saints in according to the will of God. So by having the Comforter in us, the Mediator can fulfills His job and why the Father already knows before we even ask.
Romans 8:26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
So prayer language is an assumption made by believers when no interpretor has been forthcoming. Paul was downplaying the importance of tongues in favor of prophesy as the gift of all spiritual gifts to seek, but somehow, in his effort to downplay tongues, readers saw only a validation for "praying in tongues".
but from way you explained it they are just asking the Holy Spirit to help them worship, if a Church doesn't have the Holy Spirit Guideing it's worship I wouldn't want to be at that service..[/QUOTE]
The way AliciaforJesus is explaining it is utter and complete hypocrosey for anyone to call for the Holy Spirit to come when He is already in us as promised for coming to and believing in Jesus. No manifestations given by the Spirit would give the report of "God being in this place"... but rather...
1 Corinthians 14: 21In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
Verse 21 is a declaration once again for what tongues are... languages of men.. not a prayer language. From all that I have shared by His grace, there is no need for prayer language.
Indeed, by testing that practise, it is similar tothe rudiment of voodooists and mediums when they consult familiar spirits. There is no need to be "praying in the spirit" in the sense that the "spirit" takes over us. Whenever we pray or witness for Jesus... it is in the Spirit. There is no need for a manifestation of that natire nor would the Spirit remove a fruit of temperance which is self-control for the purpose of prayer language. Time to put those walls back up. Narrow the Way back to Jesus.
Proverbs 25: 25As cold waters to a thirsty soul, so is good news from a far country. 26A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
John 6:35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Matthew 7: 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.......21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
A
Thank you Baruch,
This is what I know to be true myself, that's why I left the church!
It felt more like a spirit of wicthcraft.
I can say I'm learning a lot through it all!
I love learning, it brings me joy!
Not that I feel that way when the lesson starts,
The Joy comes from knowing Jesus, and walking with Him on the water, He'll hold my hand and keep me floating!
He has a way of calming the storms,
He is my refuge and my strenght.
To Jesus Be all Praise,
I love Him dearly!
Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess, that Jesus is Lord!
This is what I know to be true myself, that's why I left the church!
It felt more like a spirit of wicthcraft.
I can say I'm learning a lot through it all!
I love learning, it brings me joy!
Not that I feel that way when the lesson starts,
The Joy comes from knowing Jesus, and walking with Him on the water, He'll hold my hand and keep me floating!
He has a way of calming the storms,
He is my refuge and my strenght.
To Jesus Be all Praise,
I love Him dearly!
Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess, that Jesus is Lord!
B
There is nothing funny about departing from the faith.
As much as Pentecostals and Charismatics would use a vague historical account to justify another "baptism" of the Holy Spirit which is going against scriptures elsewhere in the NT, and yet they flounder between when one receives the Spirit at salvation and the continual filling because of Acts 8 and thus inevitably coming to the conclusion that this supernatural event they are experiencing is a continuous and repeatable event.... it is no wonder how seducing spirits can come in and steal the worship.
May God open your ears and eyes to hear and to see. Luke's account of Acts 8 is different from the other accounts in that he bothered to give a background to the area regarding the people and how they suffered under Simon, the scorceror. For the Holy Spirit to come in such a way as they did in Acts 10, these people would react from expereince in regards to Simon that had bewitched the people. The Lord was casting out unclean spirits from these people through Philip, and you cannot fathom being in their shoes after being baptized by water in Jesus' name? Even Simon wasn't "right" with the Lord yet to receive the seal of adoption for he had thought he could buy this power which goes to show his mentality in regards to his former practises still being with him. God does not bother saving people and then by the supernatural event, have them sin against Him by accusing Simon or designating the baptism of the Holy Spirit as being of what they were under the afflictions from before. This was a sensitive matter and that is how God dealt with saving those people so that there is no turning any away from His Son afterwards because of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
So as much as you are misusing this portion of scriptures.. as I am sure others have misled you by it, you need to take a step back and ask Jesus the meaning of this account.. the what for.. and why for so you do not ignore the vast majority of scriptures that testifies of our faith to the contrary of what many are implying Acts 8 stands for.
Ephesians 1:12-15 & Ephesians 4:4-6 & .....
1 Corinthians 12:13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Only one drink. There is not another drink nor is there a continual drinking.
Matthew 9:17Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
We are to be witnesses of what He has done, not the process as if it is ongoing. That would be considered a work that denies Him as having bought us, making us out to be leaky vessels, unable to hold the new wine... the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 15: 33Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. 34Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
As much as Pentecostals and Charismatics would use a vague historical account to justify another "baptism" of the Holy Spirit which is going against scriptures elsewhere in the NT, and yet they flounder between when one receives the Spirit at salvation and the continual filling because of Acts 8 and thus inevitably coming to the conclusion that this supernatural event they are experiencing is a continuous and repeatable event.... it is no wonder how seducing spirits can come in and steal the worship.
May God open your ears and eyes to hear and to see. Luke's account of Acts 8 is different from the other accounts in that he bothered to give a background to the area regarding the people and how they suffered under Simon, the scorceror. For the Holy Spirit to come in such a way as they did in Acts 10, these people would react from expereince in regards to Simon that had bewitched the people. The Lord was casting out unclean spirits from these people through Philip, and you cannot fathom being in their shoes after being baptized by water in Jesus' name? Even Simon wasn't "right" with the Lord yet to receive the seal of adoption for he had thought he could buy this power which goes to show his mentality in regards to his former practises still being with him. God does not bother saving people and then by the supernatural event, have them sin against Him by accusing Simon or designating the baptism of the Holy Spirit as being of what they were under the afflictions from before. This was a sensitive matter and that is how God dealt with saving those people so that there is no turning any away from His Son afterwards because of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
So as much as you are misusing this portion of scriptures.. as I am sure others have misled you by it, you need to take a step back and ask Jesus the meaning of this account.. the what for.. and why for so you do not ignore the vast majority of scriptures that testifies of our faith to the contrary of what many are implying Acts 8 stands for.
Ephesians 1:12-15 & Ephesians 4:4-6 & .....
1 Corinthians 12:13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Only one drink. There is not another drink nor is there a continual drinking.
Matthew 9:17Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
We are to be witnesses of what He has done, not the process as if it is ongoing. That would be considered a work that denies Him as having bought us, making us out to be leaky vessels, unable to hold the new wine... the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 15: 33Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. 34Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
B
By His grace, may He highlight this truth. The Holy Spirit in us is pointing us to seek His face and since He will not speak of Hismelf but of Jesus so as to glroify the Son, then we whom are led by the Spirit shall be doing the same thing and not serve nor glroify anything else in His name.
Even I needed the Lord's help to not "fall" for these movement of the "spirit" to keep my eyes and the faith on Jesus Christ. Course, He commanded us not to go there, and thus avoiding these false spirits.
Matthew 24:23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Even I needed the Lord's help to not "fall" for these movement of the "spirit" to keep my eyes and the faith on Jesus Christ. Course, He commanded us not to go there, and thus avoiding these false spirits.
Matthew 24:23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
B
God is not limited that He needs us to pray for the Holy Spirit to come or to empower us or whatever excuse to engage in this work of iniquity because there is no call for it in regards to our faith in Christ.
Matthew 10:18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
So no believer needs a special empowerment to witness for Jesus because He is with us always. God the Father is working in drawing others unto the Son.
John 6: 44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The Holy Spirit does not need to be called on to come for Him to convict non-believers. It is by the word spoken as by the scriptures, given by the Holy Spirit in us.. that convicts.
Hebrews 4: 12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
John 16:7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
The Holy Spirit does His job by use of the scriptures as we are called to do.
2 Timothy 3:15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
But it is the Father that draweth all men unto the Son. ( John 6:44)
So the necessity of prayer language for God to know what is going on is unscriptural as well for why would He taught this below if it is necessary for the Spirit to "pray"?
Matthew 6: 5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
As for wanting to see signs and wonders... why? Blessed are they that have not seen him nor signs and wonders, and yet believe, but Jesus spoke of an adulterous generation for seeking after a sign, and we being the Bride as He is the Bridegroom, it is an adulterous generatiion that relates to God the Father other than through the Son, by going to the Holy Spirit... where there is no "going to" for He dwells in us by faith.
We are either witnesses of what Christ Jesus has done for us or we are being witnesses of something else in His name which is not the Gospel because the Day of Pentecost is not a repeatable event as if it was that Hollywood's movie "Groundhog Day". Either we are filled... or... we are denying being bought and thus stuck in that filling event, unable to hold the new wine... and labouring in unbelief.
Matthew 9: 17Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
Matthew 10:18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
So no believer needs a special empowerment to witness for Jesus because He is with us always. God the Father is working in drawing others unto the Son.
John 6: 44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The Holy Spirit does not need to be called on to come for Him to convict non-believers. It is by the word spoken as by the scriptures, given by the Holy Spirit in us.. that convicts.
Hebrews 4: 12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
John 16:7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
The Holy Spirit does His job by use of the scriptures as we are called to do.
2 Timothy 3:15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
But it is the Father that draweth all men unto the Son. ( John 6:44)
So the necessity of prayer language for God to know what is going on is unscriptural as well for why would He taught this below if it is necessary for the Spirit to "pray"?
Matthew 6: 5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
As for wanting to see signs and wonders... why? Blessed are they that have not seen him nor signs and wonders, and yet believe, but Jesus spoke of an adulterous generation for seeking after a sign, and we being the Bride as He is the Bridegroom, it is an adulterous generatiion that relates to God the Father other than through the Son, by going to the Holy Spirit... where there is no "going to" for He dwells in us by faith.
We are either witnesses of what Christ Jesus has done for us or we are being witnesses of something else in His name which is not the Gospel because the Day of Pentecost is not a repeatable event as if it was that Hollywood's movie "Groundhog Day". Either we are filled... or... we are denying being bought and thus stuck in that filling event, unable to hold the new wine... and labouring in unbelief.
Matthew 9: 17Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
B
Sorry, but you can't speak for everyone. I worship God the Father through God the Son as God the Holy Spirit in me is leading me to do, so as to testify of the Son to glorify the Son and thereby the Father in Heaven. Anyone that comes to God the Father in worship should know He provided only one way to approach Him, but many disregard the commandment of His invitation.
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
B
I thank Jesus for causing the increase. Not everyone is ready to take what I have shared by His grace or what you have shared in regards to the faith in Jesus Christ as standing apart from the rudiments found in the world.
You may even find more learning to be had as Jesus gives you more prunings to any practises you may have picked up along the way that needs to be dropped so as to stand witness of our faith in Him. I believe the key to all of this is to remember how you came to Him in the beginning when you were seven and discern what you have picked up along the way later on that which is unneccessary in regards to our relationship with Him as scriptures makes it clear. ( of this I am referring to prayer language and when the "Spirit" takes over when you are praying to Jesus as I have touched on that subject with Pastor Keith in this thread)
Below is a good reminder of what happened to you when you were seven.
Ephesians 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints, 16Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; 17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
It is by our faith we are identified as His and by our faiith we bear witness of what He has done.
Galatians 3: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Anything else that serves as a distraction from that faith, God would not manifest even for a moment, but as it is, tongues are being manifested as it distracts from the faith by indicating another baptism of the Holy Spirit must be had in order to get these tongues.
If I had the gift of tongue, and I was in an assembly speaking of tongues gained by another baptism of the Holy Spirit, I would doubt very much God would bother manifesting that gift of tongue in me to be confused with that tongue without interpretation found in the world. He would have me stand apart from their tongues so that my faith in the one baptism of the Holy Spirit at salvation shines. And if tongues were manifesting in me as I was with them, then I would go to Jesus in prayer for help because why would He if I am to stand apart from them for my faith to shine? Did I get the "gift" from hanging around those that were contrary to that faith? Did I fail to test the spirits as well as the tongues when it happened the first time? Then I need Jesus' help to deliver me from that which is not of Him for greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world. Recognizing the outside influence with His help goes to show why Paul was downplaying tongues as a gift while exhorting prophesy over all gifts.
Keeping the faith is the good fight and to show that faith apart from error.. even in the misappropriation of those tongues ( by another spirit) as well as the misuse of them.. God would have us drop what is unnecssary anyway since the scriptures are available and He already knows what we are going to pray before we even ask, so the tongue with interpretation is unnecessary because we have the scriptures and prayer language is unnecessary for the Father already knows before we even ask. These reasons would be cause for me to drop tongues especially when they are using tongues to preach against our faith in needing another baptism of the Holy Spirit to get these tongues.
Again, may God cause the increase, but as you look around, you will see why the necessity is to discern what we have picked up along the way by the scriptures so that others may see our faith as that faith that is to shine as apart from the world of all of its practises within. May Jesus help us to do that. Amen.
You may even find more learning to be had as Jesus gives you more prunings to any practises you may have picked up along the way that needs to be dropped so as to stand witness of our faith in Him. I believe the key to all of this is to remember how you came to Him in the beginning when you were seven and discern what you have picked up along the way later on that which is unneccessary in regards to our relationship with Him as scriptures makes it clear. ( of this I am referring to prayer language and when the "Spirit" takes over when you are praying to Jesus as I have touched on that subject with Pastor Keith in this thread)
Below is a good reminder of what happened to you when you were seven.
Ephesians 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints, 16Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; 17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
It is by our faith we are identified as His and by our faiith we bear witness of what He has done.
Galatians 3: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Anything else that serves as a distraction from that faith, God would not manifest even for a moment, but as it is, tongues are being manifested as it distracts from the faith by indicating another baptism of the Holy Spirit must be had in order to get these tongues.
If I had the gift of tongue, and I was in an assembly speaking of tongues gained by another baptism of the Holy Spirit, I would doubt very much God would bother manifesting that gift of tongue in me to be confused with that tongue without interpretation found in the world. He would have me stand apart from their tongues so that my faith in the one baptism of the Holy Spirit at salvation shines. And if tongues were manifesting in me as I was with them, then I would go to Jesus in prayer for help because why would He if I am to stand apart from them for my faith to shine? Did I get the "gift" from hanging around those that were contrary to that faith? Did I fail to test the spirits as well as the tongues when it happened the first time? Then I need Jesus' help to deliver me from that which is not of Him for greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world. Recognizing the outside influence with His help goes to show why Paul was downplaying tongues as a gift while exhorting prophesy over all gifts.
Keeping the faith is the good fight and to show that faith apart from error.. even in the misappropriation of those tongues ( by another spirit) as well as the misuse of them.. God would have us drop what is unnecssary anyway since the scriptures are available and He already knows what we are going to pray before we even ask, so the tongue with interpretation is unnecessary because we have the scriptures and prayer language is unnecessary for the Father already knows before we even ask. These reasons would be cause for me to drop tongues especially when they are using tongues to preach against our faith in needing another baptism of the Holy Spirit to get these tongues.
Again, may God cause the increase, but as you look around, you will see why the necessity is to discern what we have picked up along the way by the scriptures so that others may see our faith as that faith that is to shine as apart from the world of all of its practises within. May Jesus help us to do that. Amen.
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