Saved by Water

[SophieT]

The apostles were instructed to use a singular name.

Matthew 28

you don't have that in your Oneness Bible?

16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

aka The Great Commission

 

[Wansvic]

Oh vey. Do you not believe the Scripture? I'm not going to add to or take away from the passage. Are you?

I do believe scripture. I have not added, or taken away from the scripture. Jesus told the apostles to baptize in a singular name. And we see them doing that in all detailed records of water baptism.

 

[HisKid]

I do believe scripture. I have not added, or taken away from the scripture. Jesus told the apostles to baptize in a singular name. And we see them doing that in all detailed records of water baptism.

We are all baptized, so can you please just move on with your life?

 

[FreeGrace2]

The biblical record makes it clear what Jesus meant.

No, you are just ASSUMING what He meant.

If in fact the correct way to water baptize was by using the phrase why is there not one reference made of the apostles administering it that way?

The point is that water baptism is done by saying "in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

No actual names are required.

But the real issue here is your unbiblical claim that water baptism is necessary for salvation. Rom 1:16 proves that it is not.

Believing the gospel is necessary. No ritual needed.

 

[Wansvic]

Does He know you?

More importantly is your personal walk with God. We will all stand alone before the throne of God. Paul tells us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. (Php. 2:12)

 

[Icedaisey]

Please cite the post # and the exact words that you are judging as "mean and arrogant". Empty charges could be considered to be mean and arrogant. Show your evidence or apologize, please.

Noooo. You already acknowledged my observation of your demeanor toward a member in this thread. Which is what you've responded to already and as you defended your behavior.

It isn't I that owes someone here an apology.

 

[HisKid]

More importantly is your personal walk with God. We will all stand alone before the throne of God. Paul tells us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. (Php. 2:12)

This thread is so done and done. Time to move on.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

there are always exceptions....like your inability to actually understand the gospel and preaching Oneness and water regeneration

this also is Paul:
I am thankful that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, I Cor. 1:14

and again a few verses down in the same chapter

For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with words of wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

now change that somehow.

Amen, Paul separates baptism from the gospel. It gets no clearer that that. Hence he baptized no one for salvation.

 

[rayzor]

What if there is no water to be found.. anywhere?

[It's not method = Law ]It's grace = family[Man i tell u puny gentile minds]

 

[Wansvic]

Exactly.

So if you don't mind I would just like say that i am not actually talking about me.
I am talking about a scenario in order to solicit a response.
I am trying to put something in the 3rd person (if that's correct)

Side note although funny but very sad.

I was actually sprinkled in the Anglican church, but I had to make a true conffesion of faith to be sprinkled.

Sad note the sub vicar would recommend I should not be sprinkled because of something I did in his youth group.

Anyway the vicar disagreed and I was sprinkled/baptised.
Made the full confession of faith.

When I got involved in a baptist church I was asked if I was baptised.
I said yes, when I told them per the Anglican baptism they said it's not baptism and that I needed to be fully immersed.

I was gutted thinking I was not saved, but to be fair they did not say I wasn't and my confession is what's saves me but immersed is proper baptism.

I was also told I needed to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost so I obeyed. However, years later someone pointed out the actual scripture in Matthew 28:19. And asked me one question. What is the NAME? I immediately saw that Jesus had indeed specified the use of a name. What name was Jesus talking about?

Peter, and Paul, as well as others mentioned the need to use the name of Jesus in water baptism. (1 Cor. 1:13, Acts 19:1-6, Acts 2:38) Since not once was the phrase of Father, Son and Holy Ghost ever used in recorded water baptisms, it became apparent that Jesus was indeed referring to His own name. I accepted that truth because it was confirmed by at least 2-3 scriptures and was rebaptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Jesus statement that unless a man is born again he cannot SEE the kingdom was something I immediately understood. (John 3:3) Comprehension of scripture went from night to day. Praise God! This truth is what compels me to point out what scripture actually says about water baptism. God's commands are specific for a reason. Sadly many are unaware they are being told to follow a man made tradition begun around 325 A.D. For those who are interested, an Internet search will confirm this to be true.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Noooo. You already acknowledged my observation of your demeanor toward a member in this thread. Which is what you've responded to already and as you defended your behavior.

This is what I asked for:
"Please cite the post # and the exact words that you are judging as "mean and arrogant"."

Are you confused as to what I asked for? And since you seem to enjoy "piling on", go ahead and cite the post # where I agreed with you.

It isn't I that owes someone here an apology.

Well, that depends on how you respond to this.

If you can prove your claim, then of course I will. But if you CAN'T prove your claim, you know, with actual evidence, then we will all know who DOES owe someone an apology.

So, there it is. I'm willing to apologize if you can prove your claim.

Are you willing to apologize if you can't prove your claim?

 

[SophieT]

I was also told I needed to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost so I obeyed. However, years later someone pointed out the actual scripture in Matthew 28:19. And asked me one question. What is the NAME? I immediately saw that Jesus had indeed specified the use of a name. What name was Jesus talking about?

so years later someone came along and put fear into your heart and you believed the lie and are now spreading it yourself

there is not one example in scripture that says if we are not water baptised we are not saved...that is extrapolation from a couple of verses, while the rest of what is taught in the NT is passed over

a lie took root in your heart through fear and now you walk in that lie and that one lie has led to others such as Oneness

Peter, and Paul, as well as others mentioned the need to use the name of Jesus in water baptism. (1 Cor. 1:13, Acts 19:1-6, Acts 2:38) Since not once was the phrase of Father, Son and Holy Ghost ever used in recorded water baptisms, it became apparent that Jesus was indeed referring to His own name. I accepted that truth because it was confirmed by at least 2-3 scriptures and was rebaptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

other than that Jesus said to baptize in all three names, which you refuse to acknowledge and have not acknowledged every time it has been posted.

Jesus statement that unless a man is born again he cannot SEE the kingdom was something I immediately understood. (John 3:3) Comprehension of scripture went from night to day. Praise God! This truth is what compels me to point out what scripture actually says about water baptism. God's commands are specific for a reason. Sadly many are unaware they are being told to follow a man made tradition begun around 325 A.D. For those who are interested, an Internet search will confirm this to be true.

very peculiar that you seem to think no one understands what Jesus said. in fact, that is what I understood as a FIVE year old. I knew what Jesus was saying. At home I asked Jesus to be my Savior. I was FIVE.

an internet search on water by regeneration will result in false teaching being exposed

while they are at it, they can also search for the Oneness Pentecostal club and find out about that lie as well

there is no manmade tradition from 325 AD.....it was shown to you that this is not true but since it is all you have, you continue to write about it...however it seems with a little less enthusiasm

 

[SophieT]

Amen, Paul separates baptism from the gospel. It gets no clearer that that. Hence he baptized no one for salvation.

in fact, Paul was glad he was not called to baptize, although he did baptize a few but not as part of what Jesus called him to do, and said that he was glad because he did not want people to follow him

he wanted people to follow Christ and it seems to me that folks who go on and on and on about doctrines that are not about salvation per se, but sometime do or might play a part in salvation (but are not salvation) leave out our walk with Christ and will just want to discuss whatever it is they believe apart from scripture...such as water regeneration or using an obscure name for Jesus or keeping the commandments or whatever other plus can be added to actual salvation

it seems anything and everything but the ONE true thing...salvation under no other name but the name of Jesus

nothing we do can add to Christ's work yet it seems people are determned to go ahead and do so anyway

 

[Wansvic]

Refuse to answer I see

I answered you in post 737. In addition, the verse in Matt. 28:19 is not a record of an actual water baptism. Jesus told those present to baptize in a singular name. We can see what that name was upon doing a search of every detailed baptism in scripture. And one way to know if a scripture is referring to water baptism is that it is done in the name of the one who was crucified for all; the Lord Jesus.

 

[SophieT]

I answered you in post 737. In addition, the verse in Matt. 28:19 is not a record of an actual water baptism. Jesus told those present to baptize in a singular name. We can see what that name was upon doing a search of every detailed baptism in scripture. And one way to know if a scripture is referring to water baptism is that it is done in the name of the one who was crucified for all; the Lord Jesus.

19 Go [therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

laugh...perhaps cry....just another smh....here Jesus instructs his disciples to baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.....all three being imperative to salvation....yet wansvic denies it and continues with Jesus only

BUT the key to this refusal may be in the fact that wansvic has not denied being ONENESS PENTECOSTAL

if wansvic is indeed Oneness, as has been hinted at by him/her, that explains baptize in Jesus name only, as Oneness will tell you that JESUS is the name of the Lord

you can't make this stuff up....wait a minute...it is though

 

[BillG]

I answered you in post 737. In addition, the verse in Matt. 28:19 is not a record of an actual water baptism. Jesus told those present to baptize in a singular name. We can see what that name was upon doing a search of every detailed baptism in scripture. And one way to know if a scripture is referring to water baptism is that it is done in the name of the one who was crucified for all; the Lord Jesus.

Actually you didn't.

Here was my question

So Jesus did not say to be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit?

You responded with

Jesus gave that command to his apostles to baptize in the name of... The apostles obeyed His command by baptizing everyone in that name. And that name is the Lord Jesus Christ. A list of every detailed water baptism speaks to this truth: (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)

Let's look at what Jesus said

Matthew 28:19-20
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Now did he say that or not?

Now if Jesus said that who was he talking to?
Now if it's not a record of an actual baptism by water what on earth is he talking about?

What is a singular name?

Is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit a singular name?

Do you believe in the Trinity?
Are their any other things that you believe that saves us?
Like speaking in tongues?

 

[BillG]

19 Go [therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

laugh...perhaps cry....just another smh....here Jesus instructs his disciples to baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.....all three being imperative to salvation....yet wansvic denies it and continues with Jesus only

BUT the key to this refusal may be in the fact that wansvic has not denied being ONENESS PENTECOSTAL

if wansvic is indeed Oneness, as has been hinted at by him/her, that explains baptize in Jesus name only, as Oneness will tell you that JESUS is the name of the Lord

you can't make this stuff up....wait a minute...it is though

Oh they can and it's called 'Heresy'

 

[Magenta]

This thread is so done and done. Time to move on.

And so you have.

 

[Wansvic]

Baptism is an outward sign of an inner transformation. Baptism is reminiscent of the mikvah, a cleansing bath.

Baptism is important but it doesn't save us. Only one thing does that.
And it can only be done if God calls us to his good news.

Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

If one truly believes God raised Jesus from the dead they will be saved. The question is does that salvation happen immediately? Or, does believing naturally result in obedience to what God's word says is required of everyone? Please bare with me and read the following because I believe Jesus, Peter and Paul give much insight. Keep in mind that in order to be saved one's sins must be remitted and that Holy Ghost must come to dwell within the believer.

Jesus advised the apostles that, (1) Repentance and remission would be preached in his name beginning in Jerusalem. And they were not to proceed, but (2) wait in Jerusalem because He would be sending the Holy Ghost. (Luke 24:47-49) These things occurred on the Day of Pentecost. (2) The Holy Ghost was poured out with the evidence of speaking in tongues. And according to the gospel message, first preached by the Apostle Peter, EVERYONE was required to (1) repent, and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of sin, and they could expect to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost as well. Afterward as Jesus stated in Matthew 28:19 those who had complied were to go into all nations and share the gospel with others.

Notice Paul's reference to the gospel below, it states that the righteousness of God is REVEALED from faith to faith. One step of faith, leads to the next, and the next, etc. Example; belief, repentance, etc...

Rom 1:16-17
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."

The first steps a believer takes does not result in automatic salvation. Believers receive their spiritual rebirth through obedience to God's commands but afterward must go forth and confess that Jesus is Lord to the lost and dying world. This includes teaching them to observe the same things that were required of us as new believers. (Matt. 28:19)

Matt 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."


Paul's comment about working out our own salvation with fear and trembling speaks to this truth. (Php 2:12)

 

[Wansvic]

Why haven't you understood that NO ONE has said that water baptism has "no significance"?

It does have significance. It's just NOT about getting saved.

My question pertained to the importance of being water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Not of water baptism in and of itself.

My question was as follows:
Why does the biblical record show everyone being water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus if there is no significance to it?