Matthew 24:14 vs Colossians 1:5-6

[planitsoon]

Paul says actually five times that the gospel had reached the world in his time. Romans 1:8/Romans10:18/Romans16:26 and Col.1:6 and 1:23. Now the greek word for world used here is the same word that was used when Augustus did an audit and Augustus as we know only owned the Roman Empire, not the entire globe as we know it. That's why there are translations out there that use the words "civilzed world" instead which was the Roman Empire. Jesus was saying and in the context of the chapter that the Roman Empire would be reached with the gospel before the end would come which in the context was the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple as prophecied by Jesus in Matthew 23:35 and Matthew 24:1-2. That's why the high priest got so angry because not only did Jesus say that He was God but also that He would come to judge them in the clouds. In Isaish 19:1 God came on a swift cloud to judge Egypt and they trembled it said. Historic writers like Yosippon describes what was seen by everybody in Jerusalem in the skies in 66AD abd talks about armies od soldiers with fire. Jesus face was seen as well. The Eastern gate opened back then. We know that there were 1200 false prophets that arose (Josephus Flavius); the nine big earthquakes that happened; the many many wars were so many jews died in; the Christians who fled to Pella in Perea when Cestius withdrew for three days; etc etc. Days of Vengeance from padfield online is a compilation by several historic writers and what they saw back then. It's been all fulflled but we knew this as Jesus said very clealy that all those things would happen before that generation would pass. Anyone out there claiming that "this generation" means "that generation" would have to believe that Jesus will die again in our days as Luke 17:25 says that "He must be rejected and suffer much by this generation" meaning us, for the Dispensatinalists among us. The fact that you never hear of that we have to flee to the mountains of Judea could come from the same reasoning. Don't take things literal and just run to your nearest mountain :-( I hate to bring the news but it was freemason luciferian Untermeyer who sponsored Scofields Bible and the same group is behind what's happening now world wide. Jesus also said they they would not be able to go through all the cities of Israel before the coming of the son of Man and that some of them would still be alive before they would see that Son of Man coming into His Kingdom. I was deceived for 23 years but had a rude awaking ten years ago when I realized that Matthew 24 has been fulfilled and I praised God for His accuracy. Raptureless is also agreat book that goes in utter detail what actually happened during the tribulation of 66-70AD. It's shocking and parts of Deut. 28 were literally fulfilled like eating of their own babies.

 

[Adstar]

He prophesied a couple of times. The main message Jesus and His disciples preached was the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 10
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

The kingdom of heaven message was not for the Samaritans or the Gentiles. It was for the Jews. He told them to literally say, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand." Is that our gospel? The gospel of the d,b,r for sins?

The Gospel of the Atonement for the forgiveness of sins is for all Mankind.. Jew and gentile alike.. No sinner will enter eternity without the covering of the Atonement of Jesus...

The Gospel was First to the Jews and then to the gentiles..

The Kingdom of heaven was started on the day of Penticost when the 12 recieved the Holy Spirit and on that day 3000 more souls where saved by the preaching of Peter..

 

[John146]

The Gospel of the Atonement for the forgiveness of sins is for all Mankind.. Jew and gentile alike.. No sinner will enter eternity without the covering of the Atonement of Jesus...

The Gospel was First to the Jews and then to the gentiles..

The Kingdom of heaven was started on the day of Penticost when the 12 recieved the Holy Spirit and on that day 3000 more souls where saved by the preaching of Peter..

Agreed, except I believe the kingdom of God began at Pentecost and the kingdom of heaven was still at hand up until Acts 7.

 

[John146]

Paul says actually five times that the gospel had reached the world in his time. Romans 1:8/Romans10:18/Romans16:26 and Col.1:6 and 1:23. Now the greek word for world used here is the same word that was used when Augustus did an audit and Augustus as we know only owned the Roman Empire, not the entire globe as we know it. That's why there are translations out there that use the words "civilzed world" instead which was the Roman Empire. Jesus was saying and in the context of the chapter that the Roman Empire would be reached with the gospel before the end would come which in the context was the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple as prophecied by Jesus in Matthew 23:35 and Matthew 24:1-2. That's why the high priest got so angry because not only did Jesus say that He was God but also that He would come to judge them in the clouds. In Isaish 19:1 God came on a swift cloud to judge Egypt and they trembled it said. Historic writers like Yosippon describes what was seen by everybody in Jerusalem in the skies in 66AD abd talks about armies od soldiers with fire. Jesus face was seen as well. The Eastern gate opened back then. We know that there were 1200 false prophets that arose (Josephus Flavius); the nine big earthquakes that happened; the many many wars were so many jews died in; the Christians who fled to Pella in Perea when Cestius withdrew for three days; etc etc. Days of Vengeance from padfield online is a compilation by several historic writers and what they saw back then. It's been all fulflled but we knew this as Jesus said very clealy that all those things would happen before that generation would pass. Anyone out there claiming that "this generation" means "that generation" would have to believe that Jesus will die again in our days as Luke 17:25 says that "He must be rejected and suffer much by this generation" meaning us, for the Dispensatinalists among us. The fact that you never hear of that we have to flee to the mountains of Judea could come from the same reasoning. Don't take things literal and just run to your nearest mountain :-( I hate to bring the news but it was freemason luciferian Untermeyer who sponsored Scofields Bible and the same group is behind what's happening now world wide. Jesus also said they they would not be able to go through all the cities of Israel before the coming of the son of Man and that some of them would still be alive before they would see that Son of Man coming into His Kingdom. I was deceived for 23 years but had a rude awaking ten years ago when I realized that Matthew 24 has been fulfilled and I praised God for His accuracy. Raptureless is also agreat book that goes in utter detail what actually happened during the tribulation of 66-70AD. It's shocking and parts of Deut. 28 were literally fulfilled like eating of their own babies.

Has the end come? The regeneration of this world? Has the Lord returned? Is the Lord sitting on His throne of glory, David's throne? These things were to occur when the gospel of the kingdom was preached in all the world as a witness to all nations.

 

[Rondonmon]

How do you reconcile these scriptures? Has the end come? Has the Lord returned? Why or why not?

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Colossians 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

There is nothing reconcile, Paul was speaking to the facts, the Gospel will be preached unto ALL THE WHOLE WORLD, just like Jesus stated, so it has come unto THEM (The Colossians) just like it will go forth unto ALL THE WHOLE WORLD.

These things are trivial and not really worthy of discussion tbh. It's on the edge of mockery towards God.

 

[John146]

There is nothing reconcile, Paul was speaking to the facts, the Gospel will be preached unto ALL THE WHOLE WORLD, just like Jesus stated, so it has come unto THEM (The Colossians) just like it will go forth unto ALL THE WHOLE WORLD.

These things are trivial and not really worthy of discussion tbh. It's on the edge of mockery towards God.

Paul said the gospel he preached had gone out into all the world. He didn’t say will, but had already. its not mockery to discuss scripture.

 

[Hakawaka]

The gospel Paul preached has gone out into all the world. Matthew is speaking of the gospel of the kingdom, the promised earthy restoration of Israel.

Except that the gospel Paul preached didnt even reach Americas until hundreds of years after his death.

BTW: What happened to those people who had never heard the gospel? Anyone of them saved?

 

[Dino246]

Paul said the gospel he preached had gone out into all the world. He didn’t say will, but had already. its not mockery to discuss scripture.

Exactly; by the time Paul wrote Colossians, the gospel had gone out to the entire Roman world, and it was bearing fruit everywhere it was preached.

Jesus was not speaking about a different gospel, but He did use a different word that is translated "world", so He meant something slightly different than what Paul said in Colossians. However, the "end" of which Jesus spoke could well be the end of the Levitical system, which came in 70 AD. Those who were in Christ in Judea did flee to the mountains, and were spared from the destruction and horror.

Only when the reader imposes a certain meaning for "the end" upon the text is there any conflict. When the text is understood within in its own historical context, the apparent conflict disappears.

 

[John146]

Except that the gospel Paul preached didnt even reach Americas until hundreds of years after his death.

BTW: What happened to those people who had never heard the gospel? Anyone of them saved?

Maybe they rejected it.

Scripture tells us that Paul's gospel had gone out into all the world, was preached to every creature under heaven, and went out to all nations. You can believe it or not.

 

[John146]

Exactly; by the time Paul wrote Colossians, the gospel had gone out to the entire Roman world, and it was bearing fruit everywhere it was preached.

Jesus was not speaking about a different gospel, but He did use a different word that is translated "world", so He meant something slightly different than what Paul said in Colossians. However, the "end" of which Jesus spoke could well be the end of the Levitical system, which came in 70 AD. Those who were in Christ in Judea did flee to the mountains, and were spared from the destruction and horror.

Only when the reader imposes a certain meaning for "the end" upon the text is there any conflict. When the text is understood within in its own historical context, the apparent conflict disappears.

What shall be the sign of thy coming and the end of the world...

When scripture goes against a given theology, better go check the Greek.

What about the following?

Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

(Every creature under the Roman Empire heaven? )

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

(only those nations under the Roman Empire? )

 

[John146]

Exactly; by the time Paul wrote Colossians, the gospel had gone out to the entire Roman world, and it was bearing fruit everywhere it was preached.

Jesus was not speaking about a different gospel, but He did use a different word that is translated "world", so He meant something slightly different than what Paul said in Colossians. However, the "end" of which Jesus spoke could well be the end of the Levitical system, which came in 70 AD. Those who were in Christ in Judea did flee to the mountains, and were spared from the destruction and horror.

Only when the reader imposes a certain meaning for "the end" upon the text is there any conflict. When the text is understood within in its own historical context, the apparent conflict disappears.

When scripture is compare to scripture, then all apparent conflict disappears. No need to go outside scripture.

 

[Dino246]

When scripture is compare to scripture, then all apparent conflict disappears. No need to go outside scripture.

The Greek text IS scripture. It is, however, "outside" the KJV.

 

[Dino246]

What shall be the sign of thy coming and the end of the world...

When scripture goes against a given theology, better go check the Greek.

What about the following?

Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

(Every creature under the Roman Empire heaven? )

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

(only those nations under the Roman Empire? )

You asked how I reconcile the two passages from the thread title. I answered.

 

[Rondonmon]

Paul said the gospel he preached had gone out into all the world. He didn’t say will, but had already. its not mockery to discuss scripture.

That is because you don't use your COMMON SENSE. Thus you can never understand the contradictions that come from translating the bible. The Anti-Christ via the Fourth Bast is supposed to conquer the WHOLE WORLD. But Daniel chapters 2 and 7 said this.

Dan. 2:37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Now, what is the FIRST THING a wise man using common sense will recognize here? That mother Nebichadnzzar nr Alexander the Great actually conquered the WHOLE EARTH/World, so Nebuchadnezzar was not king of ALL MEN that ever lived, and Alexander the Great didn't conquer and RULE OVER ALL THE EARTH. And upon further study, we come to find that the word used here refers to ALL THE EARTH being spoken about in any given situation. Thus, those of us who study AND use common sense, know what it means because Alexander the Great couldn't even conquer India, much less China !! So now, we also know that the End Time Anti-Christ also may very well not conquer the WHOLE KNOW WORLD, but ALL THE EARTH via the Mediterranean Sea and Europe that is spoken of in these scriptures, just like Alexander the Great and Babylon.

You saying Paul and the early Church preached the Gospel unto all the world are deceived by Satans lies, and we know he deceived Peter and told him to cut off the ear of a man who came to get Jesus when Jesus had already told him he would be taken, and that it must need happen. So, trying to inform us that the early Church preached the Gospel unto all the world is laughable brother man. It's just you not understanding that the translations don't always come off after being translated into various languages and/or we don't understand God's word.

Rev. 19:20 says the Anti-Christ will be CAST ALIVE into the lake of fire.

Dan. 7:11 says the Beasts BODY is DESTROYED and then he is cast into hell.

So, which is it? Does the Bible contradict itself or do we just not understand "God speak" at times? Well, it's the latter, of course, God's Holy Word never ever contradicts itself, God is God, after all, He makes no mistakes.

Dan. 7:11 is very SPECIFIC, so the Anti-Christ is KILLED and then cast into hell fire. So, what does Rev, 19:20 mean? It means that men have Spirits that never die, we are IMMORTAL SOULS, we die then SLEEP in the Grave, we know this because Jesus preached to the souls in the graves after he died. Thus this Anti-Christ is KILLED, never allowed to rest in his grave like all the other wicked men who will not be judged until after the 1000 year reign of Jesis Christ, and thus the Anti-Christ and False Pophet are cast straight into hell as a Spirit Man, he's killed then cast ALIVE as a Spirit into hell fire without any delay.

The above is how you solve "seeming contradictions".

But what do you do? Since you are a Preterist (I assume), which is erroneous, you allow whatsoever backs up your position to be the truth, even though it isn't. Via your common-sense brain, you know the Gospel was not preached unto all the world during the Disciples lives, so you have NO CHANCE of convincing anyone when in reality you don't even believe it.

 

[John146]

You saying Paul and the early Church preached the Gospel unto all the world are deceived by Satans lies

Just quoting scripture...if you don't like what the scripture says, then we have no common ground.

 

[Rondonmon]

Just quoting scripture...if you don't like what the scripture says, then we have no common ground.

Then use your common sense when you know the multi translations and even "God-speak" gets misinterpreted, that's YOUR JOB, the Holy Spirit leads unto ALL TRUTH, use the Truth Giver to lead you there, through the minefields. You know it's not true why repeat it as truth? In order to try and make your belief the truth, even though it's not, which is why I warned you of the dangerous perils which that brings, God warned the Pharisees about being in danger of hellfire when they cited untruths as truths of the Holy Spirit.

I am not ridding you to belittle you here brother, but to warn you not to fall into these traps of the enemy, Satan makes himself to look like an angel of light, of course, he's a great liar. His first lie was "Thou shalt not surely die" and thus his HALF TRUTHS worked, Adam and Eve still lived on but died they Spiritually, which led to an eventual physical death also.

 

[rayzor]

That is because you don't use your COMMON SENSE. Thus you can never understand the contradictions that come from translating the bible. The Anti-Christ via the Fourth Bast is supposed to conquer the WHOLE WORLD. But Daniel chapters 2 and 7 said this.

Dan. 2:37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Now, what is the FIRST THING a wise man using common sense will recognize here? That mother Nebichadnzzar nr Alexander the Great actually conquered the WHOLE EARTH/World, so Nebuchadnezzar was not king of ALL MEN that ever lived, and Alexander the Great didn't conquer and RULE OVER ALL THE EARTH. And upon further study, we come to find that the word used here refers to ALL THE EARTH being spoken about in any given situation. Thus, those of us who study AND use common sense, know what it means because Alexander the Great couldn't even conquer India, much less China !! So now, we also know that the End Time Anti-Christ also may very well not conquer the WHOLE KNOW WORLD, but ALL THE EARTH via the Mediterranean Sea and Europe that is spoken of in these scriptures, just like Alexander the Great and Babylon.

You saying Paul and the early Church preached the Gospel unto all the world are deceived by Satans lies, and we know he deceived Peter and told him to cut off the ear of a man who came to get Jesus when Jesus had already told him he would be taken, and that it must need happen. So, trying to inform us that the early Church preached the Gospel unto all the world is laughable brother man. It's just you not understanding that the translations don't always come off after being translated into various languages and/or we don't understand God's word.

Rev. 19:20 says the Anti-Christ will be CAST ALIVE into the lake of fire.

Dan. 7:11 says the Beasts BODY is DESTROYED and then he is cast into hell.

So, which is it? Does the Bible contradict itself or do we just not understand "God speak" at times? Well, it's the latter, of course, God's Holy Word never ever contradicts itself, God is God, after all, He makes no mistakes.

Dan. 7:11 is very SPECIFIC, so the Anti-Christ is KILLED and then cast into hell fire. So, what does Rev, 19:20 mean? It means that men have Spirits that never die, we are IMMORTAL SOULS, we die then SLEEP in the Grave, we know this because Jesus preached to the souls in the graves after he died. Thus this Anti-Christ is KILLED, never allowed to rest in his grave like all the other wicked men who will not be judged until after the 1000 year reign of Jesis Christ, and thus the Anti-Christ and False Pophet are cast straight into hell as a Spirit Man, he's killed then cast ALIVE as a Spirit into hell fire without any delay.

The above is how you solve "seeming contradictions".

But what do you do? Since you are a Preterist (I assume), which is erroneous, you allow whatsoever backs up your position to be the truth, even though it isn't. Via your common-sense brain, you know the Gospel was not preached unto all the world during the Disciples lives, so you have NO CHANCE of convincing anyone when in reality you don't even believe it.

We know that people from every nation was at Pentacost Acts 2:5-11 Devout men out of every nation under heaven.

 

[John146]

Then use your common sense when you know the multi translations and even "God-speak" gets misinterpreted, that's YOUR JOB, the Holy Spirit leads unto ALL TRUTH, use the Truth Giver to lead you there, through the minefields. You know it's not true why repeat it as truth? In order to try and make your belief the truth, even though it's not, which is why I warned you of the dangerous perils which that brings, God warned the Pharisees about being in danger of hellfire when they cited untruths as truths of the Holy Spirit.

I am not ridding you to belittle you here brother, but to warn you not to fall into these traps of the enemy, Satan makes himself to look like an angel of light, of course, he's a great liar. His first lie was "Thou shalt not surely die" and thus his HALF TRUTHS worked, Adam and Eve still lived on but died they Spiritually, which led to an eventual physical death also.

Scripture clearly states that the gospel Paul preached had gone out into all the world, been preached to every creature under heaven, and made known to all nations.

Colossians 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

 

[Rondonmon]

We know that people from every nation was at Pentacost Acts 2:5-11 Devout men out of every nation under heaven.

This is a perfect example of how you guys are always confused because you do not put in the effort that you should in order to understand the text. Which = just being lazy in the spirit brother.

In Matthew 24:7 we are told Nation will rise against Nation, but it really says Ethos against Ethos or Race against Race dd you know that? In this same passage, it says the same thing the Jews of EVERY ETHOS (Race on the earth) are in Jerusalem, meaning just that, not fr0m every Nation. So, Black Jews, Caucasian looking Jews, Semitic Jews, Asan Jews, etc., etc., etc. So, of course, you can't understand what it means because to you it means every Nation, even though it doesn't really mean that. I use my Greek study bibles and my Hebrew study bibles to get these answers. But it is also known that Paul used this term for Gentile Christians.

And 1161 there were 2258 z5713 dwelling 2730 z5723 at 1722 Hierusalem 2419 Iewes, 2453 deuout 2126 men, 435 out of 575 euery 3956 nation 1484 vnder 5259 heauen. 3772

#1484 ἔθνος ethnos {eth'-nos}

probably from G1486; TDNT - 2:364,201; n n
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

#1484.
ε῎θνος
ethnos; prob. from a prim. root; a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.):—
NASB - Gentiles(93), nation(30), nations(37), pagans(1), people(2).

So, Paul, in general, is saying the Jews from the Gentile Nations, which have e every race known to man (Blacks, Asians, and Caucasians in general).

Probably from G1486; a race (as of the same habit), that is, a tribe; specifically a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan):—Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

So, basically, Paul was saying that Jews from all these Gentile Nations who are from every Ethos, not every Nation is here in Jerusalem. Of course, a little study would have revealed this unto you.

 

[Rondonmon]

Scripture clearly states that the gospel Paul preached had gone out into all the world, been preached to every creature under heaven, and made known to all nations.

Colossians 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

You know it is untrue via my reply, thus I will not even consider this a legit reply. God will requite it of you for this untruth.