How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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I also found it strangely odd... where the following statement (from the scholar notes / commentary in the post you quoted)
said this (and nobody bats an eye to this strange statement, lol):
"The 2 other occurrences are Matt 25:6, where the virgins go out to meet their husband "
...as though He is coming [in that CONTEXT] for the purpose of "MARRYING" the FIVE [PLURAL] virginS!
NO!!
Just completely weird.
["A CHASTE VIRGIN [SINGULAR]" 2Cor11:2 (presently "betrothed") is who the "MARRIAGE" pertains to! (NOT the PLURAL "virginS" in Matt25--He's not coming to "MARRY" those!!)]
said this (and nobody bats an eye to this strange statement, lol):
"The 2 other occurrences are Matt 25:6, where the virgins go out to meet their husband "
...as though He is coming [in that CONTEXT] for the purpose of "MARRYING" the FIVE [PLURAL] virginS!
NO!!
Just completely weird.
["A CHASTE VIRGIN [SINGULAR]" 2Cor11:2 (presently "betrothed") is who the "MARRIAGE" pertains to! (NOT the PLURAL "virginS" in Matt25--He's not coming to "MARRY" those!!)]
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Paul said he would be award a "crown" (stephanos) "IN THAT DAY"... and not to him only, 2Tim4:8
(not the day Paul DIED and was immediately in the presence of the Lord--"ABSENT FROM THE BODY")
The 24 elders are shown to be wearing "stephanous / crowns" BECAUSE there has (at that point [future to us]) already taken place a "searching judgment" (as indicated by the word in 5:4 "was found"... and as indicated by the description of the One on the "throne" in 4:3, "like a jasper and a sardine stone"...)
The 24 elders are saying "hast redeemed US to God by thy blood out-of EVERY..." and this is BEFORE Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" (Isa3:13, Rev5:6, etc) by His opening the FIRST SEAL (at the START of the "7 years"--corresponding with "the BEGINNING of birth PANGS [plural]" aka the ARRIVAL of "the DOTL" earthly-time-period ["IN THE NIGHT / DARK / DARKNESS" aspect OF it (i.e. 7 yrs--the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period per 1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1)]).
IOW, no one is YET awarded "CROWNS [/stephanous / stephanos / stephanon]"... that awaits the "BEMA of Christ" (slated for "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" only--i.e. ALL those having come to faith "in this present age [singular]"--to/for/of whom "RAPTURE [/SNATCH / harpazo]" SOLELY pertains);
...sure there are "the dead in Christ" UP THERE ALREADY in Heaven ("absent from the body"... "present with the Lord")... but they DO NOT YET have their "crowns," as that awaits the "BEMA"--but yet we DO see the 24 elders wearing "crowns"... ask yourself "WHY?"
[in that scene, they've already been awarded "crowns"... this is NOT speaking of saints who are (presently) "ABSENT FROM THE BODY" see...]
(not the day Paul DIED and was immediately in the presence of the Lord--"ABSENT FROM THE BODY")
The 24 elders are shown to be wearing "stephanous / crowns" BECAUSE there has (at that point [future to us]) already taken place a "searching judgment" (as indicated by the word in 5:4 "was found"... and as indicated by the description of the One on the "throne" in 4:3, "like a jasper and a sardine stone"...)
The 24 elders are saying "hast redeemed US to God by thy blood out-of EVERY..." and this is BEFORE Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" (Isa3:13, Rev5:6, etc) by His opening the FIRST SEAL (at the START of the "7 years"--corresponding with "the BEGINNING of birth PANGS [plural]" aka the ARRIVAL of "the DOTL" earthly-time-period ["IN THE NIGHT / DARK / DARKNESS" aspect OF it (i.e. 7 yrs--the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period per 1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1)]).
IOW, no one is YET awarded "CROWNS [/stephanous / stephanos / stephanon]"... that awaits the "BEMA of Christ" (slated for "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" only--i.e. ALL those having come to faith "in this present age [singular]"--to/for/of whom "RAPTURE [/SNATCH / harpazo]" SOLELY pertains);
...sure there are "the dead in Christ" UP THERE ALREADY in Heaven ("absent from the body"... "present with the Lord")... but they DO NOT YET have their "crowns," as that awaits the "BEMA"--but yet we DO see the 24 elders wearing "crowns"... ask yourself "WHY?"
[in that scene, they've already been awarded "crowns"... this is NOT speaking of saints who are (presently) "ABSENT FROM THE BODY" see...]
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The Galilean Wedding is in agreement with Scripture = no pre-trib rapture.
We are His Bride, we have been bethrothed to Jesus, we have been baptized(Mikvah) and we have drank of the Cup of the New Covenant which is His Blood, we are His Bride and no man can pluck us from His Hand.
He has returned to His Fathers House where He is currently preparing a Place for us.
He is Coming back for His Bride = the Second Coming.
Pre-trib is a lie from satan to divide the Body of Christ - now is the time to turn to God and His Word.
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30
The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.
I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.
He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints.
We are His Bride, we have been bethrothed to Jesus, we have been baptized(Mikvah) and we have drank of the Cup of the New Covenant which is His Blood, we are His Bride and no man can pluck us from His Hand.
He has returned to His Fathers House where He is currently preparing a Place for us.
He is Coming back for His Bride = the Second Coming.
Pre-trib is a lie from satan to divide the Body of Christ - now is the time to turn to God and His Word.
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30
The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.
I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.
He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints.
The Galilean Wedding is in agreement with Scripture = no pre-trib rapture.
We are His Bride, we have been bethrothed to Jesus, we have been baptized(Mikvah) and we have drank of the Cup of the New Covenant which is His Blood, we are His Bride and no man can pluck us from His Hand.
He has returned to His Fathers House where He is currently preparing a Place for us.
He is Coming back for His Bride = the Second Coming.
Pre-trib is a lie from satan to divide the Body of Christ - now is the time to turn to God and His Word.
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30
The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.
I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.
He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints.
We are His Bride, we have been bethrothed to Jesus, we have been baptized(Mikvah) and we have drank of the Cup of the New Covenant which is His Blood, we are His Bride and no man can pluck us from His Hand.
He has returned to His Fathers House where He is currently preparing a Place for us.
He is Coming back for His Bride = the Second Coming.
Pre-trib is a lie from satan to divide the Body of Christ - now is the time to turn to God and His Word.
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30
The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.
I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.
He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints.
Do you see any distinction between the following:
--"I GO TO PREPARE a place for you..." (Jn14)
--"Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom HAVING BEEN PREPARED [perfect participle] for you FROM [apo (not "pro / before" said of OTHERS elsewhere)] the foundation of the world" (Matt25:31-34)
(said to the Sheep [of the nations] upon His RETURN to the earth at His Second Coming to the earth at Rev19)
--"I GO TO PREPARE a place for you..." (Jn14)
--"Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom HAVING BEEN PREPARED [perfect participle] for you FROM [apo (not "pro / before" said of OTHERS elsewhere)] the foundation of the world" (Matt25:31-34)
(said to the Sheep [of the nations] upon His RETURN to the earth at His Second Coming to the earth at Rev19)
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John 14 - Our Lord Jesus Christ is on earth and has not, at this time, died on the cross and 3 days later - resurrected.
At this time, John 14, Jesus tells the disciples I am going to prepare a place for us..........
Revelation 19 - Our Lord Jesus Christ has been in Heaven since His Ascention as recorded in Acts ch 1.
He has the Place of our Eternal Dwelling fully prepared for His Bride and His Bride has made Herself ready for His Return.
At this time, John 14, Jesus tells the disciples I am going to prepare a place for us..........
Revelation 19 - Our Lord Jesus Christ has been in Heaven since His Ascention as recorded in Acts ch 1.
He has the Place of our Eternal Dwelling fully prepared for His Bride and His Bride has made Herself ready for His Return.
Traditionally, the Bride Groom would not know what day or hour the wedding would occur, neither would the Bride. It was a day and time that only the Father of the Bridegroom knew, so the Bridegroom too, would have to wait, greatly anticipating his special day. Once the Father decided the wedding chamber was complete and ready, he would signal to his son that it was time to go get his Bride. This happened in the middle of the night. The Bridegroom would have a shofar that he would blow, like a trumpet and this would wake up the town’s people. They would have to also be anticipating his arrival and meet him outside, in order to be in the wedding procession. Once the Bridesmaids heard the shofar, they would have to make sure they had enough oil in their lamps to not only get the Bride up quickly, but to last as they walked back to the Bride Groom’s Father’s house, in the dark, to help light the way.
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. Matt 24:36
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
The Galilean Wedding is clearly SEEN in Scripture: In Christ with His Bride (Now) His First Coming and when He Returns(Second Coming) for Her at the Trumpet(Shofar) of God.
Pre-trib is a man-made doctrine of separation and division against the Body of Christ/His Elect/His Bride.
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. Matt 24:36
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
The Galilean Wedding is clearly SEEN in Scripture: In Christ with His Bride (Now) His First Coming and when He Returns(Second Coming) for Her at the Trumpet(Shofar) of God.
Pre-trib is a man-made doctrine of separation and division against the Body of Christ/His Elect/His Bride.
David, it is a very serious matter to accuse someone of lying simply because you are unable to interpret Scripture properly, or have been brainwashed. So it is your false accusation that is forbidden by God. Beware of making accusation like this.
The book of Revelation makes it perfectly clear that all through chapters 6 through 18, there is no mention of "church" or "churches" or "the Church". That is extremely significant because the Church is no longer on earth during either the Tribulation or the Great Tribulation. We see the Church in Heaven in chapter 7. This in itself is sufficient evidence that the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation. But at the same time none of the Scriptures related to the Rapture say anything about the Tribulation.
We also see in Revelation 19 that the Marriage of the Lamb takes place BEFORE the Second Coming of Christ. We see all the saints in Heaven at that time. How else did they arrive in Heaven before the Second Coming, unless they were taken to Heaven at the Resurrection/Rapture.
You can believe anything that you wish. But that does not give you the right to call others liars because they reject your false ideas.
The book of Revelation makes it perfectly clear that all through chapters 6 through 18, there is no mention of "church" or "churches" or "the Church". That is extremely significant because the Church is no longer on earth during either the Tribulation or the Great Tribulation. We see the Church in Heaven in chapter 7. This in itself is sufficient evidence that the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation. But at the same time none of the Scriptures related to the Rapture say anything about the Tribulation.
We also see in Revelation 19 that the Marriage of the Lamb takes place BEFORE the Second Coming of Christ. We see all the saints in Heaven at that time. How else did they arrive in Heaven before the Second Coming, unless they were taken to Heaven at the Resurrection/Rapture.
You can believe anything that you wish. But that does not give you the right to call others liars because they reject your false ideas.
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Traditionally, the Bride Groom would not know what day or hour the wedding would occur, neither would the Bride. It was a day and time that only the Father of the Bridegroom knew, so the Bridegroom too, would have to wait, greatly anticipating his special day. Once the Father decided the wedding chamber was complete and ready, he would signal to his son that it was time to go get his Bride. This happened in the middle of the night. The Bridegroom would have a shofar that he would blow, like a trumpet and this would wake up the town’s people. They would have to also be anticipating his arrival and meet him outside, in order to be in the wedding procession. Once the Bridesmaids heard the shofar, they would have to make sure they had enough oil in their lamps to not only get the Bride up quickly, but to last as they walked back to the Bride Groom’s Father’s house, in the dark, to help light the way.
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. Matt 24:36
Matthew 25: 1-13 = Parable of the Ten Virgins and only 5 having their Lamps filled with Oil (the Holy Spirit).
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
After that we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
The Galilean Wedding is clearly SEEN in Scripture: In Christ with His Bride (Now) His First Coming and when He Returns(Second Coming) for Her at the Trumpet(Shofar) of God.
Pre-trib is a man-made doctrine of separation and division against the Body of Christ/His Elect/His Bride.
It is against Scripture - it is against the Holy Spirit - it is against the holiness and fellowship in Christ.
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. Matt 24:36
Matthew 25: 1-13 = Parable of the Ten Virgins and only 5 having their Lamps filled with Oil (the Holy Spirit).
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
After that we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
The Galilean Wedding is clearly SEEN in Scripture: In Christ with His Bride (Now) His First Coming and when He Returns(Second Coming) for Her at the Trumpet(Shofar) of God.
Pre-trib is a man-made doctrine of separation and division against the Body of Christ/His Elect/His Bride.
It is against Scripture - it is against the Holy Spirit - it is against the holiness and fellowship in Christ.
... which has nothing to do with the phrase (Matt25:34, which WILL be said by Him FOLLOWING His "RETURN" to the earth), "Come, those being blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom HAVING BEEN PREPARED for you FROM [apo] the foundation of the world"
(not "BEFORE [pro] the foundation of the world," said with regard to OTHERS elsewhere in Scripture)
... which is the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom, which will commence upon His "RETURN" to the earth at Rev19
[this is not the same thing as His saying "I GO TO PREPARE a place for you..." just before getting ready to die on the Cross and raised from the dead and ascending to Heaven in His exaltation]
(not "BEFORE [pro] the foundation of the world," said with regard to OTHERS elsewhere in Scripture)
... which is the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom, which will commence upon His "RETURN" to the earth at Rev19
[this is not the same thing as His saying "I GO TO PREPARE a place for you..." just before getting ready to die on the Cross and raised from the dead and ascending to Heaven in His exaltation]
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I addressed that ^ in a different post, to which you responded (something to the effect of) "OF COURSE, that's ELEMENTARY, everyone already knows that!" and then you proceeded to provide your explanation of same, which completely contradicted my entire post/explanation (that you had just said "everyone gets that!"--as though you hadn't really even READ my post at all.)
NONE of whom He is coming (per that CONTEXT) to "MARRY"
[No "Bride / Wife [SINGULAR]" is being referred to in that passage. The passage is not in reference to "the MARRIAGE"]
NONE of whom He is coming (per that CONTEXT) to "MARRY"
[No "Bride / Wife [SINGULAR]" is being referred to in that passage. The passage is not in reference to "the MARRIAGE"]
Scripture is CLEAR - if you add or take away from Scripture to change the meaning of It - you commit a lie and sin.
The Marriage of the Lamb began at His First Coming - It is completed at His Return for His Bride as shown in Revelation 19
God gave many Names to Himself.
He also gave many names to His Church which are His Bride, His Elect, the Saints, the Disciples, those who Overcome, the Twelve Tribes of Israel, Living Stones, His Spiritual House, Kings and Priests of God, His Brethren, Brothers and Sisters in Christ.
The Church is throughout Revelation and is CLEARLY SEEN from Beginning to End.
The First Resurrection does not occur until after the Fifth Seal is completed.
When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
Revelation 6: 9-11
The Marriage of the Lamb began at His First Coming - It is completed at His Return for His Bride as shown in Revelation 19
God gave many Names to Himself.
He also gave many names to His Church which are His Bride, His Elect, the Saints, the Disciples, those who Overcome, the Twelve Tribes of Israel, Living Stones, His Spiritual House, Kings and Priests of God, His Brethren, Brothers and Sisters in Christ.
The Church is throughout Revelation and is CLEARLY SEEN from Beginning to End.
The First Resurrection does not occur until after the Fifth Seal is completed.
When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
Revelation 6: 9-11
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That's wrong.
Joh_16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Tribulation comes from the enemy. The great Tribulation is from Satan. This is very basic biblical knowledge.
Rom_12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
2Co_1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
2Co_7:4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
1Th_3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
Joh_16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Tribulation comes from the enemy. The great Tribulation is from Satan. This is very basic biblical knowledge.
Rom_12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
2Co_1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
2Co_7:4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
1Th_3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
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