Liars Are Born That Way

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• Ps 58:3 . .The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies
go astray from birth.

This is pretty serious because the Bible says that there is a marvelous city in
the works wherein is not allowed dishonesty.

• Rev 22:15 . . Outside are . . . everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Plus, natural-born liars are destined for fiery termination.

• Rev 21:8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.

Now, I'm willing to bet that there are more natural-born liars on earth than
LGBTQ, yet Christians readily condemn LGBTQ while tolerating dishonesty as
if it were somehow acceptable in comparison; yet both are in the same boat
headed for the same destination.
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• Ps 58:3 . .The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies
go astray from birth.

This is pretty serious because the Bible says that there is a marvelous city in
the works wherein is not allowed dishonesty.

• Rev 22:15 . . Outside are . . . everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Plus, natural-born liars are destined for fiery termination.

• Rev 21:8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.

Now, I'm willing to bet that there are more natural-born liars on earth than
LGBTQ, yet Christians readily condemn LGBTQ while tolerating dishonesty as
if it were somehow acceptable in comparison; yet both are in the same boat
headed for the same destination.
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do they have the opportunity to repent and have thier sins remitted , if they believe the truth when they hear it ?

“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-47‬ ‭

 

[Gideon300]

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• Ps 58:3 . .The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies
go astray from birth.

This is pretty serious because the Bible says that there is a marvelous city in
the works wherein is not allowed dishonesty.

• Rev 22:15 . . Outside are . . . everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Plus, natural-born liars are destined for fiery termination.

• Rev 21:8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.

Now, I'm willing to bet that there are more natural-born liars on earth than
LGBTQ, yet Christians readily condemn LGBTQ while tolerating dishonesty as
if it were somehow acceptable in comparison; yet both are in the same boat
headed for the same destination.
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I'm not convinced that you are right. You'd be surprised at how many so-called Christians tolerate homosexuality. I don't know why. Liars often get away with it (in this life!) because people get deceived and imagine that the person is speaking the truth.

I think we need to be careful about condemning people. It's not our job to judge unbelievers. Those who are born again may sin by lying, but that does not send them to the lake of fire. Some homosexuals are born again and hate their problem. They do not live the lifestyle. They also will not be found in the lake of fire. Christians are forgiven, not perfect.

Yes, we need to preach the gospel, which includes God's wrath against sin. But let's not forget the good news. Jesus died and rose again so that we could have new life and spend eternity with God - not the other place.

 

[p_rehbein]

All are born with a sin nature, and all have fallen short of the glory of God, and none deserve Gods saving grace.

Those who have the sin nature are capable of committing all sins are they not?

Old man once told me: "every mans got two dogs in 'em. One good and one bad. the one that grows and controls them is the one they feed the most"

Makes sense to me

Great thing about the sin nature, liars, all sinners.............IF they repent, and with a sincere and contrite heart ask God to forgive their sins and ask Jesus to come into their lives, cleansing their hearts.......they will become worthy of the salvation of Gods grace.

 

[jb]

Liars Are Born That Way

Certainly Not!

Each individual person makes a free will choice whether they will lie or not...simple as that! Ezek 18 (all)

 

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It's difficult at times to find a Christian with integrity. When a critical thinker
points out that some of God's ways are unreasonable; the average Christian
typically circles the wagons, i.e. they become defensive and judgmental;
deceitfully concealing the unspeakable truth that they too have sometimes
entertained the very same opinions.

Try answering the seven questions listed below with a straight up YES or a
NO sans excuses, explanations, apologetics, sermons, and/or canned
responses. If your answers are too personal, then it's okay to remain silent,
but keeping in mind that one day you may be required to stand before God
and give an answer for yourself openly and honestly rather than secretly.

1» Was there ever a time when you felt that God should've stepped in to
prevent the Serpent from tempting Eve?

2» Was there ever a time when you resented God's control over your life?

3» Was there ever a time when you were dissatisfied with Hades and/or the
Lake Of Fire? In other words: was there a time when you felt those
punishments go too far, i.e. they're over-kill; too extreme.

4» God knew in advance that He would regret creating humankind, and that
He would be drowning most of it in a global deluge; yet went ahead and
created people anyway. Has there ever been a time when you felt there was
something sick and twisted about God for doing that?

5» Was there ever a time when you felt that some of God's actions were
unreasonable, unfair, inhumane, selfish, cruel, and/or the work of a mad
man?

6» Was there ever a time when you wished God didn't exist?

7» Was there ever a time when you regarded God as an enemy rather than
a friend?

The questions themselves don't really matter all that much. What matters
most is whether you answer them honestly; because in order to establish a
productive rapport with God, people have to be transparent rather than
secretive.

• Heb 4:13 . . Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything
is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to whom we must give
account.

• Rev 1:13-15 . . Among the lamp stands was someone like a son of man;
dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around
his chest . . . and his eyes were like blazing fire.
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[Mem]

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• Ps 58:3 . .The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies
go astray from birth.

This is pretty serious because the Bible says that there is a marvelous city in
the works wherein is not allowed dishonesty.

• Rev 22:15 . . Outside are . . . everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Plus, natural-born liars are destined for fiery termination.

• Rev 21:8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.

Now, I'm willing to bet that there are more natural-born liars on earth than
LGBTQ, yet Christians readily condemn LGBTQ while tolerating dishonesty as
if it were somehow acceptable in comparison; yet both are in the same boat
headed for the same destination.
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The premise that it is impossible that the wicked can forsake his way and turn to God is erroneous. Inherent in the instruction that one aught is the implication that one can.

 

[Dino246]

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It's difficult at times to find a Christian with integrity. When a critical thinker
points out that some of God's ways are unreasonable; the average Christian
typically circles the wagons, i.e. they become defensive and judgmental;
deceitfully concealing the unspeakable truth that they too have sometimes
entertained the very same opinions.

Try answering the seven questions listed below with a straight up YES or a
NO sans excuses, explanations, apologetics, sermons, and/or canned
responses. If your answers are too personal, then it's okay to remain silent,
but keeping in mind that one day you may be required to stand before God
and give an answer for yourself openly and honestly rather than secretly.

1» Was there ever a time when you felt that God should've stepped in to
prevent the Serpent from tempting Eve?

2» Was there ever a time when you resented God's control over your life?

3» Was there ever a time when you were dissatisfied with Hades and/or the
Lake Of Fire? In other words: was there a time when you felt those
punishments go too far, i.e. they're over-kill; too extreme.

4» God knew in advance that He would regret creating humankind, and that
He would be drowning most of it in a global deluge; yet went ahead and
created people anyway. Has there ever been a time when you felt there was
something sick and twisted about God for doing that?

5» Was there ever a time when you felt that some of God's actions were
unreasonable, unfair, inhumane, selfish, cruel, and/or the work of a mad
man?

6» Was there ever a time when you wished God didn't exist?

7» Was there ever a time when you regarded God as an enemy rather than
a friend?

The questions themselves don't really matter all that much. What matters
most is whether you answer them honestly; because in order to establish a
productive rapport with God, people have to be transparent rather than
secretive.

• Heb 4:13 . . Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything
is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to whom we must give
account.

• Rev 1:13-15 . . Among the lamp stands was someone like a son of man;
dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around
his chest . . . and his eyes were like blazing fire.
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Being secretive has nothing in common with being dishonest. They are apples and elephants.

 

[Gideon300]

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It's difficult at times to find a Christian with integrity. When a critical thinker
points out that some of God's ways are unreasonable; the average Christian
typically circles the wagons, i.e. they become defensive and judgmental;
deceitfully concealing the unspeakable truth that they too have sometimes
entertained the very same opinions.

Try answering the seven questions listed below with a straight up YES or a
NO sans excuses, explanations, apologetics, sermons, and/or canned
responses. If your answers are too personal, then it's okay to remain silent,
but keeping in mind that one day you may be required to stand before God
and give an answer for yourself openly and honestly rather than secretly.

1» Was there ever a time when you felt that God should've stepped in to
prevent the Serpent from tempting Eve?

No. God made His very simple requirement abundantly clear

2» Was there ever a time when you resented God's control over your life?

No. I've always considered God's control to be dependent on my willingness for Him to be in control.

3» Was there ever a time when you were dissatisfied with Hades and/or the
Lake Of Fire? In other words: was there a time when you felt those
punishments go too far, i.e. they're over-kill; too extreme.

For a short time, yes. But after considering the issues, I came to the conclusion that God was fair and just. Sinners ally themselves to Satan. The Lake of Fire was created for Satan and his angels. So sinners share his fate. Hitler's henchmen, even down to soldiers doing what they were ordered, were punished by imprisonment or death. I can imagine the outcry if Charles Mansion or Bin Laden escaped judgement.

4» God knew in advance that He would regret creating humankind, and that
He would be drowning most of it in a global deluge; yet went ahead and
created people anyway. Has there ever been a time when you felt there was
something sick and twisted about God for doing that?

No. Knowing something will happen does not make you responsible for it.

5» Was there ever a time when you felt that some of God's actions were
unreasonable, unfair, inhumane, selfish, cruel, and/or the work of a mad
man?

No

6» Was there ever a time when you wished God didn't exist?

No

7» Was there ever a time when you regarded God as an enemy rather than
a friend?

Yes. I went through a very dark period and I blamed God for it. It took a while for me to work through that.

The questions themselves don't really matter all that much. What matters
most is whether you answer them honestly; because in order to establish a
productive rapport with God, people have to be transparent rather than
secretive.

• Heb 4:13 . . Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything
is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to whom we must give
account.

• Rev 1:13-15 . . Among the lamp stands was someone like a son of man;
dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around
his chest . . . and his eyes were like blazing fire.

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The seven-point quiz requires a straight up YES or NO answer to each
question minus excuses, explanations, apologetics, sermons, and/or
canned responses. Post No.9 fails to comply with the instructions.
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[Dino246]

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The seven-point quiz requires a straight up YES or NO answer to each
question minus excuses, explanations, apologetics, sermons, and/or
canned responses. Post No.9 fails to comply with the instructions.
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Nobody is obligated to follow your instructions. If they do, it is by choice. I notice you haven't answered them yet.

 

[Mofastus]

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

flesh profits nothing, all fall short, guilty of one guilty of all, plank and beam

Galatians 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

Isaiah 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;

Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

without Jesus none can stand before God, not even the self righteous

Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Let's not forget speaking the truth in love, walking in love, for edification and not destruction, that we don't shame ourselves before Him that died for all.

Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

2 Corinthians 10:8 For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:

1 Corinthians 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

1 Corinthians 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

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1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but
also for the sins of the whole world.

A forgiven liar will continue to be dishonest because they were born that
way. What is there to be done about that?

• Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?
Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

• Rev 21:8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.
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[Pilgrimshope]

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A forgiven liar will continue to be dishonest because they were born that
way. What is there to be done about that?

• Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?
Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

• Rev 21:8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.
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you don’t believe sinners can be brought to repentance ?

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it seems as if the gospel being preached to people has more power than we acknowledge and if we began to share the truth of the gospel maybe someone who believes would come to the truth and have repentance

“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

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Though an African lion be raised from a cub on dog food and never given
flesh, it will still be a carnivore because it was born with a carnivore's
nature.

Though a liar repent of his dishonesty, he will still be a liar because he was
born with a liar's nature.
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[Pilgrimshope]

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Though an African lion be raised from a cub on dog food and never given
flesh, it will still be a carnivore because it was born with a carnivore's
nature.

Though a liar repent of his dishonesty, he will still be a liar because he was
born with a liar's nature.
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“The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:3, 5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34, 36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:


That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:21-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It seems like the gospel is designed for a purpose of changing that nature you believe is not able to change and that’s why it’s preached as a witness in the world to bring sinners ( liars , thieves , adulterers , and the many many many other behaviors constituting sin ) to repentance through changing that nature by faith hearing and believing the gospel

“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭12:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

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This comment is off-topic, but I seriously believe it's something that needs
saying from time to time.

Internet forums have given many of Christ's obscure followers a convenient
venue for sharing their time-won knowledge and experience with a
worldwide audience. For the world's sake, I highly recommend making an
effort to compose legible posts; neatly arranged, sensible, coherent, and
tidy.

Excessive bolding, underscoring, and italics, lack of adequate paragraphing,
twitter spelling, unnecessary emogies, horrible grammar, confusing mixtures
of fonts and colors, and/or shouting with caps and oversize letters, makes
for tiresome clutter and annoying graffiti that leave a bad impression.

Some people's posts resemble the obnoxious placards of worked-up
protesters and political activists; yelling, shrieking, and sometimes even
spraying spittle. They are beyond reason and objectivity in their desperation
to be taken seriously. Apparently they assume that if only they shout loud
enough, make themselves annoying enough, and hold out long enough;
maybe they'll get their point across and somebody will finally listen.

I rather suspect that some people regard forums as a canvas for painting
their comments instead of composing them. Well; that might be okay for
outsiders, they can be as messy as they want because their comments don't
matter anyway. But for those of us who honestly believe ourselves to be
representing God's son; it's unacceptable because it reflects on Christ and
makes him look like his followers are desperate kooks.

"Conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ." (Phil 1:27)
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[Dino246]

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Though an African lion be raised from a cub on dog food and never given
flesh, it will still be a carnivore because it was born with a carnivore's
nature.

Though a liar repent of his dishonesty, he will still be a liar because he was
born with a liar's nature.
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What happens when a liar accepts the sacrifice that Jesus made on his behalf and trusts in Him for salvation?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

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This comment is off-topic, but I seriously believe it's something that needs
saying from time to time.

Internet forums have given many of Christ's obscure followers a convenient
venue for sharing their time-won knowledge and experience with a
worldwide audience. For the world's sake, I highly recommend making an
effort to compose legible posts; neatly arranged, sensible, coherent, and
tidy.

Excessive bolding, underscoring, and italics, lack of adequate paragraphing,
twitter spelling, unnecessary emogies, horrible grammar, confusing mixtures
of fonts and colors, and/or shouting with caps and oversize letters, makes
for tiresome clutter and annoying graffiti that leave a bad impression.

Some people's posts resemble the obnoxious placards of worked-up
protesters and political activists; yelling, shrieking, and sometimes even
spraying spittle. They are beyond reason and objectivity in their desperation
to be taken seriously. Apparently they assume that if only they shout loud
enough, make themselves annoying enough, and hold out long enough;
maybe they'll get their point across and somebody will finally listen.

I rather suspect that some people regard forums as a canvas for painting
their comments instead of composing them. Well; that might be okay for
outsiders, they can be as messy as they want because their comments don't
matter anyway. But for those of us who honestly believe ourselves to be
representing God's son; it's unacceptable because it reflects on Christ and
makes him look like his followers are desperate kooks.

"Conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ." (Phil 1:27)
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I actually look for content whether someone is sharing something correct or incorrect .

Im not sure that being worthy of the gospel has anything to do with whether someone else agrees with punctuations one uses or perfect spelling , rather than telling the truth and admitting when we have something wrong and letting scripture correct us.

but I suppose we each have things we find most important

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What happens when a liar accepts the sacrifice that Jesus made on his behalf and trusts in Him for salvation?

if he keeps on lying ? Or if he repents and starts speaking truth ?