Who are the nations outside of New Jerusalem?

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Hakawaka

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Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Why is there a need for leaves to keep people healed / alive if they are in resurrected bodies?

What is going on here? I am not asking to start a fight, I am asking to learn, I really have no answer.
 
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How about Zech 14:16 Then every one that survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of booths.

To simply answer your question these are sheep from the sheep/goat judgement who enter the kingdom of God in flesh and blood
 
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Omegatime said:
How about Zech 14:16 Then every one that survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of booths.

To simply answer your question these are sheep from the sheep/goat judgement who enter the kingdom of God in flesh and blood
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This is after the millennium in new heaven when the new jerusalem comes down?
 
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Hakawaka said:
This is after the millennium in new heaven when the new jerusalem comes down?
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No, the Sheep/Goat Judgement happens at the end of the Tribulation. The sheep are those who enter the Kingdom of God in mortal bodies. The sheep and goats are survivors of the tribulation and all are unrighteous. Notice that they were not saved by grace thru faith but by works. Matthew 25
 
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Revelation is given to us in symbolic form, it is the language of the spirit. We live in a body that understands the language of the flesh, and often misunderstand the language of Revelation.

As an example, people were told in God's language all about the first coming of Jesus, but being of the flesh, they misunderstood what it said. The same is happening now. We must rely on what other scriptures tells us and the symbolism that is made clearer to us in other scriptures so we can know of the symbolism of Revelations.
 
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Hakawaka said:
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
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As you can see the New Jerusalem will become a heavenly body to replace the sun, and the saved nations on earth will "walk in the light of it". We are not given the names of these nations but it would appear that all the nations on earth will be saved by that time.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
As you can see the New Jerusalem will become a heavenly body to replace the sun, and the saved nations on earth will "walk in the light of it". We are not given the names of these nations but it would appear that all the nations on earth will be saved by that time.
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Okay so its like this:

Jesus comes back and sets up the millennium.
Rebellion and millennium ends
Satan thrown to lake of fire along with those who rebelled
New heaven and new earth created and Great white throne judgment
New Jerusalem descends.

But are the people who are walking in New Jerusalem's light in the flesh? how can they enter into the city if its in the sky? If they are resurrected believers, how come some are on earth and some in New Jerusalem? Is it a reward to get to New Jerusalem and other Christians arent good enough to get there? (But are still saved?)
 
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From Mat. 25---1/ When the lord comes with all his angels, Lord sets up his Throne-------------End of the 7 year Tribulation
2/ All the nations are gathered before him----survivors of the Tribulation
3/ Nations are all gentiles
4/ Judgement based on works and not by grace thru faith
5/ Sheep have no idea what they did to deserve being righteous?
6/ Goats have no idea what they did wrong?
7/ This is not the White Tyrone Judgement
8/ Resurrection has been over for some years and after the resurrection grace by faith no longer applies but works.
9/ Yeshua/Jesus is representing the jews fleeing Jerusalem and the antichrist. Those who assisted those jews fleeing are considered the sheep.
10/Scriptures such as 1 Thess 5:3 and Matthew 24:15-16 apply to the jews.
11. 1/3 of the jews will enter the Kingdom of God along with the sheep. Zechariah 13:8
 
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Hakawaka said:
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Why is there a need for leaves to keep people healed / alive if they are in resurrected bodies?

What is going on here? I am not asking to start a fight, I am asking to learn, I really have no answer.
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The tree of life was in the garden of Eden which for sure it was because God gave them a choice but there has to be something about the tree of life that must accompany people that are with God that are innocent to have eternal life.

Which Adam and Eve probably had eternal life but that would only be in the flesh for before they ate the tree there was no sickness of death so the body probably would not decay but always rejuvenate itself.

So eternal life must have to have the tree of life accompany them for them to stay in that condition and that is probably because people are created and all things created are from the physical world so they must need the tree of life which is a creation to keep them right with God.

When Adam and Eve were ousted from the garden God protected the tree of life lest they eat of it and live forever and why is that.

Probably because if Adam and Eve ate of the tree of life being in a sinful condition they would of stayed that way forever with no reversal and then all their offspring would be in the same condition and nobody could live forever whether in the flesh or spiritually.

But of course that would not happen because God had it all planned out to give people salvation before the foundation of the world for the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.

It appears the tree of life must be there for eternal life with God like the tree of life had to be there in the garden for them to walk with God and have a relationship with Him.

I don't know if I can explain it good enough but obviously the tree of life has to be there and if not there is no healing of the nations which can throw people off because Jesus gives us eternal life so why the need for the tree of life to heal us.

And it must be because we are a creation, physical, so the tree of life a creation has to be there.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
There is nothing "symbolic" about the New Jerusalem. It is described in great detail in Revelation.
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I was thinking the same thing when I read that. I have found that "symbolic" is often used to imply the Bible doesn't mean what it says.
 
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Hakawaka said:
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Why is there a need for leaves to keep people healed / alive if they are in resurrected bodies?

What is going on here? I am not asking to start a fight, I am asking to learn, I really have no answer.
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Leaves to keep people healed / alive if they are in resurrected bodies?[/QUOTE]

I'm a new member and just saw your post. Great question. Has God given you a clearer understanding in answer to your question?
They are the left overs from the kingdom of Jesus who didn't follow the Devil (Rev. 20:10) when he was let loose for 'a little while' (Rev. 20:3). They stayed alive on the earth remaining where they were after Satan tried to convince every human from every tongue, tribe, people and nation. Many remained faithful to the global leader at that time being President/King JESUS. After the Devil and his followers were removed from the scene (Vs7-10) the global Leader turned to their Deliverer, Jesus' Father (vs 9) and submitted everything to His Father including Himself (1 Cor. 15:23-28).
The Great white throne judgement is next. Then New Jerusalem comes down from heaven onto the renew earth. Then those on the earth whose name are not written in the Book of Life will remain where they always were, in different parts of the earth. These humans will need the healing like we do now if we were to fall and injure ourselves bad, the leaves would heal them. And when they have lived a long time and are feeling as if they are going to die they eat of the fruit of the tree to prolong life as Adam and Eve would've needed it in the garden of Eden.
This is my understanding anyway.
 
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one2question said:
Many remained faithful to the global leader at that time being President/King JESUS.
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Precious friend, thanks for you understanding. Just one thing - is not
KING JESUS Simply The Hereditary "Monarch" Of His Coming Kingdom?
Because:

A president is an official elected by the people to be the head of state of
a republic, a representative democracy and sometimes a dictatorship?
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Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

God's Simple Will!
 
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Hakawaka said:
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Why is there a need for leaves to keep people healed / alive if they are in resurrected bodies?

What is going on here? I am not asking to start a fight, I am asking to learn, I really have no answer.
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I would assume it’s the nations of thre new earth who were saved by the gospel

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-5‬ ‭
 
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GRACE_ambassador said:
Precious friend, thanks for you understanding. Just one thing - is not
KING JESUS Simply The Hereditary "Monarch" Of His Coming Kingdom?
Because:

A president is an official elected by the people to be the head of state of
a republic, a representative democracy and sometimes a dictatorship?
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Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

God's Simple Will!
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Thanks for the correction. Just using a modern day term but not exactly accurate I know.
 
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Hakawaka said:
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Why is there a need for leaves to keep people healed / alive if they are in resurrected bodies?

What is going on here? I am not asking to start a fight, I am asking to learn, I really have no answer.
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When Jesus returns to rule the world with His saints there will be normal human beings being ruled.. They are the ones who will need healing.. This time will last 1000 years before the final day of judgement..
 
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Yes, what an exciting period to look forward to. Do you think there will be those who continue to live on the new (renewed) earth where the New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven onto?
 
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Isaiah 19:23-25 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

Here are a coupled mentioned.
 
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When Jesus returns to rule the world with His saints there will be normal human beings being ruled.. They are the ones who will need healing.. This time will last 1000 years before the final day of judgement..
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Yes, what an exciting period to look forward to. Do you think there will be those who continue to live on the new (renewed) earth where the New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven onto? And that these too will need the leaves that grow on the tree of life within the walls of the Holy City where the nations will not be able to enter (only those who's names are written in the Lamb's book of life). I believe those who rule with Christ in His millennial kingdom will have access to the tree of life and can go get leaves and fruit off it when needed for those they rule over? (Rev. 5:9 & 10, 22:3-5) That's during the millennial rule of Christ and for eternity from when the New Jerusalem comes to earth onwards.
 
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