The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???
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You said: "The tribulation in Noahs day would have been the flood."
This is falsehood and is the continuous error of pre-trib which equates tribulation with the wrath of God.
This is falsehood because pre-trib is falsehood - this is how the spirit of error works - from one error to the next.
Believe in JESUS = I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take courage; I have overcome the world!” John 16
And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying,
“We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God. Acts 4:21-22
This is falsehood and is the continuous error of pre-trib which equates tribulation with the wrath of God.
This is falsehood because pre-trib is falsehood - this is how the spirit of error works - from one error to the next.
Believe in JESUS = I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take courage; I have overcome the world!” John 16
And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying,
“We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God. Acts 4:21-22
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Really?
You cant look at it?
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
That is what you say is not the gt?????
Now....the next chapter has the inmumerable number.
( that you say have nothing to do with the gt)
I cant believe you do not check things out
You cant look at it?
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
That is what you say is not the gt?????
Now....the next chapter has the inmumerable number.
( that you say have nothing to do with the gt)
I cant believe you do not check things out
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1. The great tribulation, also called the time of Jacobs trouble, is also knows as the wrath of God.
2. In the grand scheme of things. The flood could be seen as representative of the great tribulation. And noah, Being saved out of it. Could be seen as representing the church , who was spared this great wrath of God
3. We are talking about the GREAT TRIBULATION HERE. not general tribulation. Please my friend. try to stay on context. No one here has ever said any believe will not suffer persecution and tribulation.
2. In the grand scheme of things. The flood could be seen as representative of the great tribulation. And noah, Being saved out of it. Could be seen as representing the church , who was spared this great wrath of God
3. We are talking about the GREAT TRIBULATION HERE. not general tribulation. Please my friend. try to stay on context. No one here has ever said any believe will not suffer persecution and tribulation.
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Yeah I CAN LOOK AT IT
Rev 4: 4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads.
10 the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying:
11 “You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.”
Rev 5:
5 And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals. 2 Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?” 3 And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it.
8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”
Not ONE SEAL HAD BEEN OPENED?
Why are you taking me to the sixth seal when Jesus had not even opened the first yet?
Come on man!!
Rev 4: 4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads.
10 the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying:
11 “You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.”
Rev 5:
5 And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals. 2 Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?” 3 And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it.
8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”
Not ONE SEAL HAD BEEN OPENED?
Why are you taking me to the sixth seal when Jesus had not even opened the first yet?
Come on man!!
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You said: "No one here has ever said any believe will not suffer persecution and tribulation."
You are not truthful to your words because you also said: "The tribulation in Noahs day would have been the flood."
You, and all who worship pre-trib continuously make this error = equating tribulation with God's wrath = falsehood.
Stay with the TRUTH - God's words, and do not add to them or take away.
Follow JESUS who said: "But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one."
You are not truthful to your words because you also said: "The tribulation in Noahs day would have been the flood."
You, and all who worship pre-trib continuously make this error = equating tribulation with God's wrath = falsehood.
Stay with the TRUTH - God's words, and do not add to them or take away.
Follow JESUS who said: "But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one."
That's a common error of pre-trib eschatology - equating the great tribulation with the wrath of God. The great tribulation is caused by the Devil, the beast, and false prophet. They wi persecute the world and martyr Christians. Does that sound like something our God would do?
I mean, you believe we are not appointed to wrath right? Me too. Then why are their Christians in the great tribulation being appointed to God's alleged wrath? Because the great tribulation isn't God's wrath.
The day of the Lord, also known as God's wrath, comes after Christ's return at the end of the great tribulation.
I mean, you believe we are not appointed to wrath right? Me too. Then why are their Christians in the great tribulation being appointed to God's alleged wrath? Because the great tribulation isn't God's wrath.
The day of the Lord, also known as God's wrath, comes after Christ's return at the end of the great tribulation.
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A great error is to think that Gods wrath is not completed by people nations or satan himself
God poured his wrath on Israel by the assyrian army
He then poured his wrath on the jews by the babylonian army
If you look at the book of revelation. Alot of the punishment God pours on mankind is done by others. Just like he has always done.
God poured his wrath on Israel by the assyrian army
He then poured his wrath on the jews by the babylonian army
If you look at the book of revelation. Alot of the punishment God pours on mankind is done by others. Just like he has always done.
Well i have to stoop down to where you are at so that you may be lifted above the error.
When we speak and our words leave our lips, they cannot be retrieved but by admission and correction - this applies to we/us/all.
Equating the Great Flood to tribulation is falsehood - the Great Flood was God's wrath upon the entire world at that time.
Noah was inside Great Tribulation prior to God's wrath - the Flood. = This is PURE TRUTH no falsehood in it.
When we speak and our words leave our lips, they cannot be retrieved but by admission and correction - this applies to we/us/all.
Equating the Great Flood to tribulation is falsehood - the Great Flood was God's wrath upon the entire world at that time.
Noah was inside Great Tribulation prior to God's wrath - the Flood. = This is PURE TRUTH no falsehood in it.