Steven Anderson is wrong - Sodomites can still be saved.

[rayzor]

Never said I necessarily do think that. What I am saying is that the possibility exists. True, the kjv teaches against sodomy. But maybe it could have taught against it a little stronger if people weren't trying to please the bossman?

Again...why won't anyone answer my question? Why not use a different translation?

i use different ones from time to time even used the Mormon books but people are to quick to respond.

 

[justbyfaith]

Never said I necessarily do think that. What I am saying is that the possibility exists. True, the kjv teaches against sodomy. But maybe it could have taught against it a little stronger if people weren't trying to please the bossman?

Again...why won't anyone answer my question? Why not use a different translation?

I like the NLT as an easy-to-read translation.

However, I find that most translations other than the kjv are watered down.

 

[Dino246]

That's just plain stupid.

The kjv doesn't have any additions; otherwise the plagues of the book of Revelation would have been added to its translators (Revelation 22:18-19).

It’s no more stupid than claiming that modern translations are missing parts of the word of God.

 

[Dino246]

I like the NLT as an easy-to-read translation.

However, I find that most translations other than the kjv are watered down.

Watered down in what sense?

 

[justbyfaith]

It’s no more stupid than claiming that modern translations are missing parts of the word of God.

If someone took away from the word of God, the results would be invisible: their names would no longer be written in the book of Life.

If someone adds to the word of God, however, the results will be very visible: the plagues of the book of Revelation will be added to them.

 

[justbyfaith]

Watered down in what sense?

words, phrases, entire sentences, paragraphs, even entire passages, are removed.

 

[Dino246]

words, phrases, entire sentences, paragraphs, even entire passages, are removed.

You're using the KJV as the standard of comparison, which is silly. If I use the NIV as a standard, I would find that there are words, phrases, entire sentences, paragraphs, even entire passages added in the KJV.

The modern translations are not "watered down" in the least; only someone who holds the preconceived idea that the KJV is accurate would come to such a conclusion.

 

[CS1]

Amen.

Any sinner can be saved. Even Sodomites (Homosexuals and Lesbians). If they will simply believe the Gospel of The Death, Burial and Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, trusting alone in that Finished Work of His, as the only sufficient payment for their sins. I saw Aden Rusfeldt recently tell a group of Sodomites on a campus somewhere, that they could not be saved. Basically he was telling them that there is no hope for them. And then in another video, I heard another preacher in his group, telling Sodomites at a pride event "I would not even share my testimony with you." Well, of course, he wouldn't. Why would he? he doesn't think that they can be saved anyway. Which also brings up another question to my mind, why are they even out there preaching to them? I am mean If God cannot save them, According to their reprobate heresy, well then aren't they wasting their time??? Oh but they will go out there just to call them names and to rail on them.

Well, he, like Steven Anderson, is also wrong. That's Heresy. Once again, this kind of thinking of theirs, comes from that "reprobate doctrine." If Sodomites cannot be saved, then neither can those other sinners be saved in that list of Romans 1 (i.e. backbiters, whisperers, covetous, fornicators, boasters, inventors of evil things, murderers, disobedient to parent's, etc.) The truth is, that whole group of Gentiles mentioned in Romans 1, had been given over to a reprobate mind and not just the Sodomites (Homosexuals and Lesbians). What is a reprobate mind? Simply put, it is a mind that is inverted. Any wicked person that is depraved has a reprobate mind at that present time. Which would explain why their conduct is as wicked as it is. But even a Reprobate can still be saved, if he will repent (change his mind about God and about himself) and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

those who repent surrender will receive forgiveness and salvation IN Christ. that doesn't mean one is still engaging in the sinful act.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Watered down in what sense?

Its funny, He says they are watered down. Yet he uses the new living. One of the worse translations ever given.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Desdichado, I hope you become a King James Bible believer soon, brother. Oh what power you will have in your life when you do!

I am with ya up to here.

Becing a KJV only person does not make you any more spiritual than being a NASB or ESV or other biblical person.

It only makes you part of a cult

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am kjvs -- kjv-superior.

That means that I believe that the kjv is inspired and inerrant and that other versions are inferior to my trusty kjv.

While they can be useful to gain added insight into the meaning of holy scripture.

The KJV is not inspired

the only inspired words ar the origional autographs. Which has long since been lost.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Repentance away from sin is a prerequisite for salvation (Ezekiel 33:11-20, Luke 13:1-5, 2 Corinthians 7:10).

You need Gods help to overcome sin.

You don;t have to stop first. That would be stopping on your own power. And would make you earn salvation by your stopping sin/

Again, you just show how you need to change your nick. To you it is not just by faith.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It isn't idolatry, Dino. It is Faith to believe God's perfect and infallible word, sir.

The King Jimmy is not perfect and infallible.

So yes it is idolotry

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A person must repent of generally living a sinful lifestyle before they can be saved.

For if they continue to be a worker / doer of iniquity, they will be cast into "the furnace of fire, where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:41-42; Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41).

Therefore their repentance away from sin is an integral aspect of the salvation that is given to them.

No

the repent of being an enemy of God. And waiting to be their own god. Admitting they are a sinner. And turn to recieve the gift of salvation.

Once a person is saved, God works on their sin issues. And not every sin issue is immediately healed. Some people struggle with besetting sins for a long time before they are healed. Some sin issue never get taken care of. If all got taken care of. We would have perfect believers walking around. I have never met one. Because their has never been one.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Someone who is not born again is enabled to turn from his sins when the Holy Spirit draws him / her.

See 2 Corinthians 6:1-2.

This passage is about being saved.

Not stopping sin

 

[justbyfaith]

You're using the KJV as the standard of comparison, which is silly. If I use the NIV as a standard, I would find that there are words, phrases, entire sentences, paragraphs, even entire passages added in the KJV.

The modern translations are not "watered down" in the least; only someone who holds the preconceived idea that the KJV is accurate would come to such a conclusion.

I have already addressed this.

If the kjv adds, and the modern translations do not subtract, then the plagues of the book of Revelation would be added to the translators of the kjv...a visible judgment.

If the kjv does not add, and the modern translations do not subtract, then the judgment on those who subtract is invisible...they will simply have their names taken out of the Book of Life.

As far as I know the plagues were not added to the translators of the kjv.

I conclude that they did not add to the Bible but gave it as it should be....even according to the original manuscripts.

 

[justbyfaith]

The KJV is not inspired

the only inspired words ar the origional autographs. Which has long since been lost.

So, we do not have the unadulterated message of the word of God, and the gospel of Jesus Christ?

If not the kjv, what Bible does contain an inspired message?

because you appear to be saying that we do not have the truth of the inspired gospel message any more.

And you have made 2 Timothy 3:16 null and void by applying it only to the original manuscripts. You may as well cross it out of your Bible (see Revelation 22:18-19)!

 

[justbyfaith]

You need Gods help to overcome sin.

You don't <fify> have to stop first. That would be stopping on your own power. And would make you earn salvation by your stopping sin/

Again, you just show how you need to change your nick. To you it is not just by faith.

You disagreed with my post even though I gave scriptural substantiation for my point of view. if you are going to attempt to refute it, address the scriptures that I have given.

Repentance does not amount to ceasing from sin. it is a change of mind about sin; a decision that you are generally going to walk away from sin.

Of course we all need Jesus' help to be able to do that in the practical sense.

However, salvation is given when we make the decision. The Holy Spirit is imparted and we are then enabled to walk out that decision.

This is not salvation by works.

I would preach these verses to you, however.

Rom 8:12, Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13, For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14, For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

By the grace of God, we receive the Holy Spirit, and if we walk not after the Spirit but after the flesh, we will die spiritually.

I would only say to this that walking is not the same thing as working.

I would say also that if one consistently walks after the flesh, they are not born again.

But if someone messes up here or there, their faith in Christ is sufficient to save them in the midst of their stumblings.

While we have promises in holy scripture that tell us that we do not have to stumble or fall (Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10, Romans 8:12)

 

[justbyfaith]

Its funny, He says they are watered down. Yet he uses the new living. One of the worse translations ever given.

By what criterium do you judge whether a translation is viable?

 

[justbyfaith]

The King Jimmy is not perfect and infallible.

So yes it is idolotry

God has given us his unadulterated message in the kjv; and has magnified His word above all His name.

It is not idolatry to receive the gospel message from the Bible and to hold it to be absolute truth.

If there is no absolute truth, we may as well become Hindus.