Steven Anderson is wrong - Sodomites can still be saved.

[justbyfaith]

No

the repent of being an enemy of God. And waiting to be their own god. Admitting they are a sinner. And turn to recieve the gift of salvation.

Once a person is saved, God works on their sin issues. And not every sin issue is immediately healed. Some people struggle with besetting sins for a long time before they are healed. Some sin issue never get taken care of. If all got taken care of. We would have perfect believers walking around. I have never met one. Because their has never been one.

Repentance is a change in direction. I agree that some who do repent may still have issues with addictive behaviours; and may continue to indulge in those behaviours after being saved.

What counts for salvation is that they have made a decision that they are going to fight the good fight against those addictions; and if they believe the promises concerning entire sanctification, God's righteousness is imputed to them (Romans 4:20-22).

 

[justbyfaith]

This passage is about being saved.

Not stopping sin

If anyone is truly saved / born again, they have made a decision to fight the good fight against besetting sins.

And I do believe that they will win their battles in due season if they are genuinely born again.

For they will be satisfied by the living water of the Holy Ghost (John 4:13-14, John 6:35, John 7:37-39). So, they will not be thirsty any more for the toilet water that is offered to them by this world.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So, we do not have the unadulterated message of the word of God, and the gospel of Jesus Christ?

If not the kjv, what Bible does contain an inspired message?

because you appear to be saying that we do not have the truth of the inspired gospel message any more.

And you have made 2 Timothy 3:16 null and void by applying it only to the original manuscripts. You may as well cross it out of your Bible (see Revelation 22:18-19)!

you have an english translation limited by the english language,

For any english bible to be pure, it would be almost twice as large. And they would not classifly it as a word for word interpretation. Because the greek text can not be translated word for word into the english because the english language is lacking

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You disagreed with my post even though I gave scriptural substantiation for my point of view. if you are going to attempt to refute it, address the scriptures that I have given.

Repentance does not amount to ceasing from sin. it is a change of mind about sin; a decision that you are generally going to walk away from sin.

Of course we all need Jesus' help to be able to do that in the practical sense.

However, salvation is given when we make the decision. The Holy Spirit is imparted and we are then enabled to walk out that decision.

This is not salvation by works.

I would preach these verses to you, however.

Rom 8:12, Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13, For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14, For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

By the grace of God, we receive the Holy Spirit, and if we walk not after the Spirit but after the flesh, we will die spiritually.

I would only say to this that walking is not the same thing as working.

I would say also that if one consistently walks after the flesh, they are not born again.

But if someone messes up here or there, their faith in Christ is sufficient to save them in the midst of their stumblings.

While we have promises in holy scripture that tell us that we do not have to stumble or fall (Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10, Romans 8:12)

You want people to get clean first. Then come to faith. It does not happen that way.

Once again, you preach works. Not faith.
we come to faith because we repent of our situation before God. Its impossible to repent of every sin before you come to christ. You do not even know every sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

By what criterium do you judge whether a translation is viable?

By looking to the greek texts. By looking at all texts. We tried going to the NLV in church because it is a much easier read. Sadly we had to keep correcting the text because it was poorly or improperly translated.

You should not give any new believer the NLT to have them study gods word. They will be led astray

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God has given us his unadulterated message in the kjv; and has magnified His word above all His name.

It is not idolatry to receive the gospel message from the Bible and to hold it to be absolute truth.

If there is no absolute truth, we may as well become Hindus.

So God gave us a perfect bible in the english. But gave no one else a perfect bible. Not to mention. There was no perfect bible until the KJV was miraculously interpreted?

You in a cult my friend. RUN

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Repentance is a change in direction. I agree that some who do repent may still have issues with addictive behaviours; and may continue to indulge in those behaviours after being saved.

What counts for salvation is that they have made a decision that they are going to fight the good fight against those addictions; and if they believe the promises concerning entire sanctification, God's righteousness is imputed to them (Romans 4:20-22).

Yep lets all fight.

Its all about us Not god SMH

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If anyone is truly saved / born again, they have made a decision to fight the good fight against besetting sins.

And I do believe that they will win their battles in due season if they are genuinely born again.

For they will be satisfied by the living water of the Holy Ghost (John 4:13-14, John 6:35, John 7:37-39). So, they will not be thirsty any more for the toilet water that is offered to them by this world.

No what they have done is put their lives in the hands of God. And are depending on God.

Are you sinless my friend? How long have you been a believer?

 

[justbyfaith]

No what they have done is put their lives in the hands of God. And are depending on God.

Are you sinless my friend? How long have you been a believer?

I am not sinless (1 John 1:8); though I may be perfect (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 Corinthians 4:4)

 

[justbyfaith]

Yep lets all fight.

Its all about us Not god SMH

It is about us to a certain extent.

God wants to deal specifically with you as concerning whether or not you have surrendered all to Jesus.

 

[justbyfaith]

So God gave us a perfect bible in the english. But gave no one else a perfect bible. Not to mention. There was no perfect bible until the KJV was miraculously interpreted?

You in a cult my friend. RUN

I'm sure that He has His standards in other languages.

But if you count the NLT to be faulty, then it stands to reason that other translations are faulty.

The devil's counterfeits.

But since there is a controversy over kjv-only, I consider that there may in fact be validity to the kjv-only side of the argument.

 

[justbyfaith]

By looking to the greek texts. By looking at all texts. We tried going to the NLV in church because it is a much easier read. Sadly we had to keep correcting the text because it was poorly or improperly translated.

You should not give any new believer the NLT to have them study gods word. They will be led astray

I think that the NLT is excellent.

 

[justbyfaith]

You want people to get clean first. Then come to faith. It does not happen that way.

Once again, you preach works. Not faith.
we come to faith because we repent of our situation before God. Its impossible to repent of every sin before you come to christ. You do not even know every sin.

Repentance is works, in your opinion?

You need to really read Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50; Matthew 7:21-23, Matthew 25:41.

These passages show clearly that if someone is walking in iniquity, they will be cast into the furnace of fire.

Arguing that this is a works salvation is a mere argument that will be demolished by the weapons of our warfare; which are not carnal but mighty in God for the pulling down of strongholds. I will be praying for you.

And as I have said, repentance is to generally change your direction, away from the direction of sin, death, hell, and satan towards righteousness, life, heaven, and God.

If that is done, then every known sin will be fought against and I believe that there will also be victory in due season.

And I am indeed preaching faith.

For righteousness is a practical thing (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6); and there is a righteousness which is of God by faith (Philippians 3:9). Such righteousness also translates into the righteousness of the law being fulfilled in the believer (Galatians 3:14, Romans 8:4).

 

[justbyfaith]

you have an english translation limited by the english language,

For any english bible to be pure, it would be almost twice as large. And they would not classifly it as a word for word interpretation. Because the greek text can not be translated word for word into the english because the english language is lacking

God is able to preserve His unadulterated message to the common people, in their own language; and is also motivated to do so.

Because He is both sovereign, and Omnipotent, and loving.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am not sinless (1 John 1:8); though I may be perfect (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 Corinthians 4:4)

Again, how long have you been a christian

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is about us to a certain extent.

God wants to deal specifically with you as concerning whether or not you have surrendered all to Jesus.

No, its not about us. Its about God

By one offering HE HAS PERFECTED FOEVER. Those HE IS SANCTIFYING.

it is God who sanctifies me not Me.

I can do nothing in the flesh but sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm sure that He has His standards in other languages.

But if you count the NLT to be faulty, then it stands to reason that other translations are faulty.

The devil's counterfeits.

But since there is a controversy over kjv-only, I consider that there may in fact be validity to the kjv-only side of the argument.

The KJV is faulty. Any bible interpreted in the English language is faulty.

Thats why God gave us strong people who created strong lexicons and dictionaries and greek/hebrew texts so we can go back to see what was really said.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think that the NLT is excellent.

Lol.

Thats to bad. I guess thats what you get when you do not study the greek hebrew texts..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Repentance is works, in your opinion?

You need to really read Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50; Matthew 7:21-23, Matthew 25:41.

These passages show clearly that if someone is walking in iniquity, they will be cast into the furnace of fire.

Arguing that this is a works salvation is a mere argument that will be demolished by the weapons of our warfare; which are not carnal but mighty in God for the pulling down of strongholds. I will be praying for you.

And as I have said, repentance is to generally change your direction, away from the direction of sin, death, hell, and satan towards righteousness, life, heaven, and God.

If that is done, then every known sin will be fought against and I believe that there will also be victory in due season.

And I am indeed preaching faith.

For righteousness is a practical thing (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6); and there is a righteousness which is of God by faith (Philippians 3:9). Such righteousness also translates into the righteousness of the law being fulfilled in the believer (Galatians 3:14, Romans 8:4).

If we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves
Jesus said he did not come to judge he came to save

What gives you the right to judge when nt even Jesus did that?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God is able to preserve His unadulterated message to the common people, in their own language; and is also motivated to do so.

Because He is both sovereign, and Omnipotent, and loving.

Well he did not. Most definitely not in the king jimmy