The Difference between Daniel 2 and Daniel 7.

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Dino246

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Hi Dino,

Dan. 2`s Great Image reveals 4 world rulers that have come and gone, which we agree with. However the Gentiles are still ruling the world and God has not yet set up physically His kingdom rule on earth. Thus it does not all occur at 70 A.D.
I didn't claim that it all happened at 70 AD. Jesus set up His eternal kingdom beginning around 30 AD. His kingdom is not of this world.

I know you think you have demonstrated only four kingdoms, but it seems to me you have only said that and not shown by scripture your view. Can you do that?
I did show it with Scripture in my initial post. Daniel 2:40-41; the fourth kingdom is divided. There is no human kingdom after that in the vision and explanation.
 

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Since Rome is represented as iron, and the feet do contain iron, it is reasonable to conclude that the remnant of the former Roman empire is involved in the future. It does not mean that God revives this ancient empire, but that the nations that were a part of that empire are involved with the Antichrist.

Sorry, but that is not really what is meant. It was Rome which treaded down the preceding empires, and then itself fell and was destroyed. You seem to be misunderstanding the flow of history. Each of these empires was succeeded by the next one until Rome disappeared. There is now a hiatus of at least 1500 years. Then when the Antichrist appears the remnants of the Roman empire will show up as those ten kingdoms. And they too will be destroyed. And after that the worldwide empire of the Antichrist will be destroyed.

Nebuchadnezzar's image shows a progressive deterioration in the quality of those empires (called kingdoms). Gold is better than silver, which is better than brass, which is better than iron. So the worst and most evil empire will be that of the Antichrist.
Hi Nehemiah,

Good you have written from scripture why you believe your view - the word `iron` is in both, legs and feet symbols. Now may I suggest we look at bit more carefully at those scriptures.

`And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, ...` (Dan. 2: 40)

The word `iron` represents the strength of the kingdom and NOT the name of the kingdom. We know it is Rome, (from history) and that it was a very strong kingdom.

`Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter` clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; .....so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile.` (Dan. 2: 41 & 42)

Again we see that the word `iron` represents strength.The word `iron` describes the strength of the kingdom - partly strong. So that is not the name of the kingdom. No proof there for the Revived Roman Empire.

I do like your observation of the progressive deterioration in the quality of those kingdoms. I agree. So we see (again) that the metals describe the strength of the kingdoms.

I do understand the Rome trod down Greece buy not Babylon nor the Medes and Persian for their governments were not world rulers then. Remember God said -

`God has numbered your kingdom, and FINISHED IT........Your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and Persians.` (Dan. 5: 26 - 28)

I also believe there has been a space of at least 1500 years and the Final Gentile Global Government is to arise.

So have you any comments on who is controlling the world at the moment - G 7/8, G 20, & UN?
 

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I didn't claim that it all happened at 70 AD. Jesus set up His eternal kingdom beginning around 30 AD. His kingdom is not of this world.


I did show it with Scripture in my initial post. Daniel 2:40-41; the fourth kingdom is divided. There is no human kingdom after that in the vision and explanation.
Hi Dino,

Thank you for that clarification. Yes I agree that Jesus is setting up those who will rule with Him on His throne in the highest. This is spiritually at the moment.

I still do not see you have proved your view, only stating what you believe. To prove from scripture we need to see why the `legs and feet and toes` are the same kingdom. Can you prove that scripturally?
 

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Pretty much agree except i see the nations around the Mediterranean as revived roman empire. And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems upon its horns and a blasphemous name upon its heads. Rev 13:1
Hi Omegatime,

Can you please explain how a kingdom that God has judged is able to come to power again? For example -

God has numbered your kingdom, and FINISHED IT........Your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and Persians.` (Dan. 5: 26 - 28)

God has judged all former world governments and they are NO more. The earth and people from many nations are still in the world but former world governments have ALL been judged and are gone.

So do you have any comments on the present world scene - G7/8, G 20, & UN?
 

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Hi montana,

Thank you for your view. I see you have interpreted the kingdoms as `ways of operating.` That is interesting for Daniel 7 does describe these beastly kingdoms as to their behavior - beastly with detail.

Note however that God says that the beasts are kingdoms, meaning Political, not religious. (Dan. 7: 23)

`the fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all other kingdoms, and it shall devour the whole earth, trample it and break it in pieces.`` (Dan. 7: 23)

You say the first beastly kingdom represent human religion. A kingdom is Political. Also remember that the great whore rides the final beast. She is religious but the beast/kingdom is Political.

I do agree with your thought that Islam lays a part in the final Gentile Government.

So what about those controlling the world now - the G 7/8, G 20 & UN. Any thoughts on those?
I did not say the first is religious but I was saying that their chief mode of operation was human religion, the occult, for that is what they were in to but they were a political government.

Islam rebels against the 7th kingdom the 10 horn kingdom because when the nations come together they stop the preaching of their religion for all religions are interpreted according to the occult, and evolution, and believe they are still evolving to be spiritual.

When the New Age Christ establishes peace in the Middle East the nations will come together as one and will make the G 7/8, G20, UN, or anybody else look like a baby in influence.

The new age movement does not believe that the New Age Christ will help them to achieve peace on earth and evolve until the nations come together and it appears as if the new age movement is a Caucasian led plan to produce the New Age Christ.

They pull all nations together as one and the New Age Christ after he establishes peace in the Middle East will be the biggest influence on the planet and he will push the agenda of the new age movement until the world rebels against God which is th time the world will not accept the truth of the Bible but according to the new age movement.
 
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Hi, Marilyn. . .

- Daniel 2:34 Thou sawest untill a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

That stone, I believe, is Jesus Christ, also known as the Stone of Israel in Genesis 49:24. He is the stone that the builders rejected, and He will now be the cornerstone of all the earth (Ps. 118:22). According to my understanding, the 5th Kingdom will take place when Jesus returns at the 7th Trump.

- Daniel 2:35-45 (KJV)
Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth. This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king. Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
 

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So have you any comments on who is controlling the world at the moment - G 7/8, G 20, & UN?
There is a very small cabal of extremely wealthy Jews who also happen to be Satanists. They actually control everything including the WEF, UN, etc. All major corporations are under one corporation controlled by the Rothschilds. The media would also fall into this category. And they do manipulate the world leaders.

https://americandigitalnews.com/ind...-how-it-controls-the-worlds-financial-system/
 

Dino246

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Hi Dino,

Thank you for that clarification. Yes I agree that Jesus is setting up those who will rule with Him on His throne in the highest. This is spiritually at the moment.

I still do not see you have proved your view, only stating what you believe. To prove from scripture we need to see why the `legs and feet and toes` are the same kingdom. Can you prove that scripturally?
I demonstrated it scripturally. Daniel 2:40 mentions the fourth kingdom, and verse 41 states, “this will be a divided kingdom.” No room is given in the text for those to be distinct kingdoms. You have not yet acknowledged what those verses say.
 
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Hi Omegatime,

Can you please explain how a kingdom that God has judged is able to come to power again? For example -

God has numbered your kingdom, and FINISHED IT........Your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and Persians.` (Dan. 5: 26 - 28)

God has judged all former world governments and they are NO more. The earth and people from many nations are still in the world but former world governments have ALL been judged and are gone.

So do you have any comments on the present world scene - G7/8, G 20, & UN?
The groups that exist today will have no bearing on the future. World will be going thru much turmoil before these 10 kings are established after middle of the tribulation. More than 3.5 billion people have died before these 10 kings are chosen. Electricity, communications, human needs and food production are going to be rare items. But these nations around the med sea will escape the worse till the bowl judgements, Israel on the other hand will be protected thru the first half of the tribulation and allowed to build their temple. USA and Russia for sure will fail to exist as a nation.
 

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I did not say the first is religious but I was saying that their chief mode of operation was human religion, the occult, for that is what they were in to but they were a political government.

Islam rebels against the 7th kingdom the 10 horn kingdom because when the nations come together they stop the preaching of their religion for all religions are interpreted according to the occult, and evolution, and believe they are still evolving to be spiritual.

When the New Age Christ establishes peace in the Middle East the nations will come together as one and will make the G 7/8, G20, UN, or anybody else look like a baby in influence.

The new age movement does not believe that the New Age Christ will help them to achieve peace on earth and evolve until the nations come together and it appears as if the new age movement is a Caucasian led plan to produce the New Age Christ.

They pull all nations together as one and the New Age Christ after he establishes peace in the Middle East will be the biggest influence on the planet and he will push the agenda of the new age movement until the world rebels against God which is th time the world will not accept the truth of the Bible but according to the new age movement.
Hi montana,

Thank you for clarifying that - they are Political and chief mode of operation human religion. I see something similar as to the Final Gentile Global Government. The leader will hold the Political office while his offsider, (the false Prophet) will hold the economic (buying and selling) and religious, (worship).

I also see Islam as a major player in forming this last Gentile Government. And I agree that the Peace negotiator will bring the Middle East nations together and will deceive those in the G 7 etc.

Now remember that the 10 kings/leaders (of Islam) get rid of all religion.

`And the 10 horns (kings, powers) which you saw n the beast, these will hate the prostitute, make her desolate and naked; eat her flesh and burn her with fire.` (Rev. 17: 16)
 

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Hi, Marilyn. . .

- Daniel 2:34 Thou sawest untill a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

That stone, I believe, is Jesus Christ, also known as the Stone of Israel in Genesis 49:24. He is the stone that the builders rejected, and He will now be the cornerstone of all the earth (Ps. 118:22). According to my understanding, the 5th Kingdom will take place when Jesus returns at the 7th Trump.
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Hi SaltwaterGirl,

I agree that the stone that smite the great Image is the Lord Himself. When He comes He will deal with the Gentile nations and set up His kingdom rule through Israel over the nations that are left.

Thank you for your good contribution to the discussion.
 

Marilyn

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There is a very small cabal of extremely wealthy Jews who also happen to be Satanists. They actually control everything including the WEF, UN, etc. All major corporations are under one corporation controlled by the Rothschilds. The media would also fall into this category. And they do manipulate the world leaders.

https://americandigitalnews.com/ind...-how-it-controls-the-worlds-financial-system/
Hi Nehemiah,

Great point. Yes there are many influential groups behind the front people the leaders of the nations. Jesus pointed this out.

`You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and THOSE WHO ARE GREAT exercise AUTHORITY over them, (the leaders).` (Matt. 20: 25)

 

Marilyn

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I demonstrated it scripturally. Daniel 2:40 mentions the fourth kingdom, and verse 41 states, “this will be a divided kingdom.” No room is given in the text for those to be distinct kingdoms. You have not yet acknowledged what those verses say.
Thank you Dino,

Yes Dan. 2: 40 mentions the fourth kingdom - describing it as `strong as iron.` Now that is quite strong, and not divided at all.

Then we go to the last part of the body, which God does NOT say the fifth or the last, but it is obvious as the final body part for there is nothing more after the `feet and toes.` And God calls them `the divided kingdom.` That is how God describes them, partly strong and partly fragile.` (v. 42) Quite a difference there.

We all know from history that Rome was the last world ruler. It was judged by God and is no more. Its government is gone, the people who ruled are gone and God will not let it be revived.

We do however still have all the earth and people living in places of those former empires, but those empires/kingdoms are not rising from the dead.
 

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The groups that exist today will have no bearing on the future. World will be going thru much turmoil before these 10 kings are established after middle of the tribulation. More than 3.5 billion people have died before these 10 kings are chosen. Electricity, communications, human needs and food production are going to be rare items. But these nations around the med sea will escape the worse till the bowl judgements, Israel on the other hand will be protected thru the first half of the tribulation and allowed to build their temple. USA and Russia for sure will fail to exist as a nation.
Hi Omegatime,

I agree with some of what you write. However God`s word does tell us who the great powers are leading up to the Final Gentile Global Government.

The Lion with eagle wings - is clearly the emblems of the UK and the USA.
The Bear - was the next great power to arise, the Soviets, who are now Russia and its former USSR nations.
The Leopard - the European Union came next and developed into a great power.

These 4 great powers are the ones even now controlling the world - the G 7/8. G 20 & UN. The last terrifying great power has yet to form. When God deals with the Russian Federation, plus Iran, Ethiopia & Libya, (soon) on the mountains of Israel, then there will be a power vacuum in the Middle East. Thus will rise the most formidable power this world has ever seen.
 

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Hi montana,

Thank you for clarifying that - they are Political and chief mode of operation human religion. I see something similar as to the Final Gentile Global Government. The leader will hold the Political office while his offsider, (the false Prophet) will hold the economic (buying and selling) and religious, (worship).

I also see Islam as a major player in forming this last Gentile Government. And I agree that the Peace negotiator will bring the Middle East nations together and will deceive those in the G 7 etc.

Now remember that the 10 kings/leaders (of Islam) get rid of all religion.

`And the 10 horns (kings, powers) which you saw n the beast, these will hate the prostitute, make her desolate and naked; eat her flesh and burn her with fire.` (Rev. 17: 16)
How is Islam going to overcome America, Europe, Russia, China, and the rest of the world for how would they attain unto that power especially when America has been messing with Islam keeping them weak and they are doing it for a purpose.

The truth is that America and Europe have their own plan going on and it is called the new age movement which the New Age Christ will be of the new age movement.

Also the new age movement believes in no personal God and believes in the occult and evolution and people are still evolving to be greater and spiritual and Islam does not have that belief system.

Why the world rebels against God.

1. Evolution.

2. Gave birth to the new age movement that interprets the Bible, and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual.

3. The occult believes in astrology, horoscope, and this is the age of Aquarius the age of peace so they will try to pursue that peace on earth for they believe nature would want them to do that so they will harmonize the nations governments and religions with all religions interpreted according to the new age movement.

4. They do not believe the New Age Christ will help them to evolve and have peace until the nations come together as one and work for peace on earth a global government and global religion so they will work on that.

5. The New Age Christ will be of the new age movement and the occult and when he works in the world he will push the agenda of the new age movement until the world rebels against God.

6. Technology that caused them to be able to communicate with each other to come together but it is not according to the will of God.

The new age movement the beginning of the end.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God warns the saints of the new age movement, and their interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual provided by the New Age Christ, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher and love, and the Christ conscience came upon him, and he evolved to be an ascended master, and believe in no personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, the evolutionary process, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher, and he will evolve to be greater than Jesus, and share this power with all people who follow him.

They will forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction, and command to abstain from meats, reverence of nature, mother earth.

The new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all people who do not love God where they will take the mark of the beast, and then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world, and God will end sin on earth, and have His people will Him.

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables(2 Timothy 4:2-4).

The time will come when the world will not want to hear the truth of the Bible, but want to hear it according to their own lusts the new age movement.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East, and work as a great man of peace, and push the agenda of the new age movement in the world to prepare the world for when he claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature, and evolving, and will share this power with all people who follow him.

Alice Bailey the biggest prophet of the new age movement wrote many books speaking of the coming united religious system, one world government, and New Age Christ, and other occult things, and they set up a web site lucistrust.org promoting her books and writing which she interpreted the Bible according to the occult and evolution.

She was married to a Freemason who agreed with her writing, so he is of the inner circle of Freemason, which there is an inner circle and outer circle of the occult, and Alice Bailey said the inner circle is the true church.

The inner circle is too extreme in the occult for mainstream society so they put out a lighter version an outer circle that is more tolerable to the people to get them interested in a light version of the occult.

When the New Age Christ establishes peace in the Middle East he will push the agenda of the new age movement and the people will lust more for power through nature and when the New Age Christ claims to be God and to set up his kingdom the outer circle became the inner circle and the beast kingdom will be accepted by those who do not keep the commandments of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The new age movement has an inner circle as well as Freemason, and the Mormon church, and Scientology, and Christian Science, and churches who have great deception such as them as well as many occult groups.

They are trying to get the world to go in the direction of the New Age Christ kingdom so that Lucifer can set up a kingdom which they believe Lucifer will help people to evolve spiritually.

The esoteric meaning of Lucifer, how they interpret the Bible.

There are comments on the World Wide Web claiming that the Lucis Trust was once called the Lucifer Trust. Such was never the case. However, for a brief period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”. By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since.Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light. The Baileys' reasons for choosing the original name are not known to us, but we can only surmise that they, like the great teacher H.P. Blavatsky, for whom they had enormous respect, sought to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer. Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus “the fall”) from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man. In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name “Lucifer” which means light-bearer.

This is what is going on and the plan and why the world rebels against God and it has nothing to do with Islam and is not part of their belief system.

That is why they took prayer out of school and started teaching evolution although they will say it is for a different reason.

Islam is actually going to rebel against the one world government and will be plucked up by the roots.

They get rid of the religions for they do not need them anymore for spirituality because the New Age Christ will claim to have harnessed the power of nature and evolved and will cause the people that follow him to evolve and be spiritual.

Also the Bible says that Babylon, and Medo-Persia will never have physical dominion again which none of the Arab nations will ever have physical dominion again.

Islam is not going to do anything and they will fall by the New Age Christ who is not of Islam for his belief system is different than their belief system.
 

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Thank you Dino,

Yes Dan. 2: 40 mentions the fourth kingdom - describing it as `strong as iron.` Now that is quite strong, and not divided at all.

Then we go to the last part of the body, which God does NOT say the fifth or the last, but it is obvious as the final body part for there is nothing more after the `feet and toes.` And God calls them `the divided kingdom.` That is how God describes them, partly strong and partly fragile.` (v. 42) Quite a difference there.

We all know from history that Rome was the last world ruler. It was judged by God and is no more. Its government is gone, the people who ruled are gone and God will not let it be revived.

We do however still have all the earth and people living in places of those former empires, but those empires/kingdoms are not rising from the dead.
It appears that you ignored verse 41. Because of that, you are still holding the erroneous idea that there is a fifth kingdom.
 

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It appears that you ignored verse 41. Because of that, you are still holding the erroneous idea that there is a fifth kingdom.
Hi Dino,

I didn`t put in v. 41 for I saw it just said what 42 did. I was just keeping the comment short and to the point.
 

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How is Islam going to overcome America, Europe, Russia, China, and the rest of the world for how would they attain unto that power especially when America has been messing with Islam keeping them weak and they are doing it for a purpose.

The truth is that America and Europe have their own plan going on and it is called the new age movement which the New Age Christ will be of the new age movement.

Also the new age movement believes in no personal God and believes in the occult and evolution and people are still evolving to be greater and spiritual and Islam does not have that belief system.

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Hi montana,

It seems we have some similar thoughts yet some different. That`s fine for we are all working through this interesting topic and seeing how it is being played out in real time.

The peace negotiator will overcome all through deception.

`...he shall come in peaceably and seize the kingdom by intrigue.` (Dan. 11: 21)

`A king shall arise having fierce features, who understands sinister schemes.....Through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper under his hand. And he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many;...` (Dan. 8: 23 - 25)

Thus this person will deceive all the leaders of the nations and the people of the world.

When the Russian Federation and Iran, Ethiopia and Libya, armies are dealt with by God on the mountains of Israel, (Ez. 38: 1 - 8) then there will be a power vacuum in the Middle East. It is then that the great power of Islam will begin to arise. (Dan. 7: 7, Isa. 31: 8)

The New Age movement is only one of many religions who are all under the mother whore. The religion that the world receives is by the UN`s moral values - respect, tolerance, inclusiveness, etc of all immoral behaviors. These have permeated every aspect of society and are backed by law now. (Rev. 17: 5)

Eventually a we know the anti-Christ and his 10 king Federation does away with such moral values. The only use of those values was to herd the peoples into a big guilt trip to `work together and save the planet.` (Rev. 17: 16)
 

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Hi Dino,

I didn`t put in v. 41 for I saw it just said what 42 did. I was just keeping the comment short and to the point.
Verse 42 also refers back to the fourth kingdom identified in verse 40, not to a fifth kingdom. Grammatical rules require it.
 
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The Different between Daniel 2 & Daniel 7.

These two chapters contain great insight into what God is doing in these times of the end of the Gentiles Ruling the world.

Daniel 2 reveals a Great Image that symbolises the whole of the Gentile`s rulership by 5 World Rulers. Four world Rulers have come and gone. Their governments have been found wanting and God dealt with them. They were - Babylon, Medes & Persians, Greece and Rome. We do not see these governments anymore and God does not revive those people that ruled.

The last world ruler has yet to emerge. When it does it will be a divided kingdom, and the last before God sets up His kingdom rule through Israel.

Daniel 7 on the other hand reveals great powers that arise one at a time just before God sets up His kingdom rule. These great powers continue all at the same time till finally the last one gains power over the others and becomes the world Ruler. This last one matches the `divided kingdom` of Daniel 2.

Thus God has given us an overview of the times of the Gentiles ruling the world, (Dan. 2) and then also the great powers heading up to the final Gentile world ruler.

Knowing the difference enables one to clearly see what is happening in our world today. However those who confuse the two chapters are always confused and conjecturing about what is happening.

So let`s discuss how this knowledge helps us to see clearly the road to Global Government by these great powers.
The statues meaning is revealed in Daniel 2:39. The golden head is babylon, silver arms is medo persia (inferred), the bronze torso is macedonia (inferred), the iron legs are rome (east and west - inferred) and the iron clay feet is america (democracy - inferred).

The animals are lion - babylon, bear - medo persia, leopard - hellenistic greek (4 territories after death of alexander, and the 10 horned beast is rome. All are from the sea (pagan). Daniel is fixated on the horns and made him sick, 7 + 3 uprooted + 1 chief stout one. Why ? Because the 10 horns are the 10 commandments. What commandments did the stout horn uproot - 1) Thou shalt have no other gods before Me (trinity after the council of nicea) 2) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image (icons used by the catholic church) 4) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy (sunday worship was instituted).

Continuing on to Revelation. The beast is the combination of the first 4 beasts of Daniel. The 5th animal is the false prophet. The false prophet is america. It is from the earth (faithful) and breathed life in the beast (christendom). Note the beast here is 7 heads (lion, bear, 4 leopards, and big one with horns) and 10 horns (not the 8 in Daniel). Why? Daniel was a jew and the Old Covenant was all. John was a Christian with a New Covenant and understood the horns of the lamb (false prophet) as 1) love God with all thy being and 2) love your neighbour not the 10 of the old covenant.