Saved by Water
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Let's be honest here.
A good few posts that are saying that unless we are baptised in the name of Jesus only then we are not saved. No remissions of sins, therefore not saved.
Do you agree with what I have read on this thread?
In fact do you agree with that?
Truth is bro that we will disagree on stuff and yes it could be considered heresy.
But I believe this is addressed in Corinthians and the works we add to the to foundation that Paul built on Jesus.
Crap will be burned but we are saved by the fire.
A good few posts that are saying that unless we are baptised in the name of Jesus only then we are not saved. No remissions of sins, therefore not saved.
Do you agree with what I have read on this thread?
In fact do you agree with that?
Truth is bro that we will disagree on stuff and yes it could be considered heresy.
But I believe this is addressed in Corinthians and the works we add to the to foundation that Paul built on Jesus.
Crap will be burned but we are saved by the fire.
I can't say that I don't agree with it.
Act 2:38, Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39, For the (conditional) promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Rom 8:30, Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
It may take some thinking in order for you to get the full brunt of the message of these passages together according to the hermeneutic of 1 Corinthians 2:13.
Act 2:38, Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39, For the (conditional) promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Rom 8:30, Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
It may take some thinking in order for you to get the full brunt of the message of these passages together according to the hermeneutic of 1 Corinthians 2:13.
In post #1250 you said:
"If you accept that the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost is Jesus, then you are indeed saved (1 Peter 3:20-21, Acts 4:10-12)."
It seems you are contradicting yourself.
Do you believe that Jesus is The Trinity, all by Himself? Seems so from post #1250.
There are "Jesus Only" groups. Just trying to understand where you are coming from.
"If you accept that the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost is Jesus, then you are indeed saved (1 Peter 3:20-21, Acts 4:10-12)."
It seems you are contradicting yourself.
Do you believe that Jesus is The Trinity, all by Himself? Seems so from post #1250.
There are "Jesus Only" groups. Just trying to understand where you are coming from.
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I believe that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are distinct from one another.
You can learn further about my point of view here:
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/understanding-the-trinity-as-a-doctrine.201406/
You can learn further about my point of view here:
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/understanding-the-trinity-as-a-doctrine.201406/
If baptism is indeed a work, then I consider that it is not the work of baptism that saves me; but rather it is my faith in the promise of Acts 2:38-39; which promise has attached to it a condition; that I repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.
Again, it is not the fulfilling of the condition of the promise that saves me; but it is my faith in the promise; which promise I obtain by fulfilling its condition.
Thus it is true in my life that,
Eph 2:8, For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9, Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Again, it is not the fulfilling of the condition of the promise that saves me; but it is my faith in the promise; which promise I obtain by fulfilling its condition.
Thus it is true in my life that,
Eph 2:8, For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9, Not of works, lest any man should boast.
I also do not see what work I am performing when I submit to baptism. It is completely passive in its execution; the minister does everything.
Except that I called on the name of the Lord when I came up out of the water; which someone might consider to be a work.
But if it is, then it wouldn't have saved me.
Yet Romans 10:13 tells us otherwise.
Except that I called on the name of the Lord when I came up out of the water; which someone might consider to be a work.
But if it is, then it wouldn't have saved me.
Yet Romans 10:13 tells us otherwise.