Should Christians get involved in government?
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Absolutely. Were Daniel and David involved in government? How about Ezra and Nehemiah?
Government is not the same as political shenanigans. Good governance is something which God approves of. And bad governance is something He disapproves of.
After the Second Coming of Christ, and after He sets up His eternal Kingdom on earth, Christians will be involved with good governance. And the twelve apostles will sit on twelve thrones ruling the twelve tribes of Israel. That is a promise by Christ Himself.
Government is not the same as political shenanigans. Good governance is something which God approves of. And bad governance is something He disapproves of.
After the Second Coming of Christ, and after He sets up His eternal Kingdom on earth, Christians will be involved with good governance. And the twelve apostles will sit on twelve thrones ruling the twelve tribes of Israel. That is a promise by Christ Himself.
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I agree with the first two calls for repentance: 1) Repentance of any besetting sins; and 2) The love of wealth and ease. However his third one I don't agree with: the need to repent for failure to get involved in the civil process!
He states that because of the lack of Christian involvement in government, evil people have taken over the government. Newsflash—the US government has been corrupt from day one and always will be. Then he says: "God is bringing His judgment on our nation right now; He has unleashed the tyrants," while showing a picture of Joe Biden. This makes me think it isn't a genuine call for godly repentance, but a call to repent of voting for Joe Biden, LOL. This guy is with Defy Tyrants, so anything less would surprise me.
As a believer in the Lord, thankfully my citizenship is in heaven, not here. Anything beyond praying for the government and hoping for their salvation is beyond my job description: "No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him."—2 Timothy 2:4
Overall, my impression is he probably thinks Trump unfairly lost the election and he's trying to recruit Christians to get him elected again.
He states that because of the lack of Christian involvement in government, evil people have taken over the government. Newsflash—the US government has been corrupt from day one and always will be. Then he says: "God is bringing His judgment on our nation right now; He has unleashed the tyrants," while showing a picture of Joe Biden. This makes me think it isn't a genuine call for godly repentance, but a call to repent of voting for Joe Biden, LOL. This guy is with Defy Tyrants, so anything less would surprise me.
As a believer in the Lord, thankfully my citizenship is in heaven, not here. Anything beyond praying for the government and hoping for their salvation is beyond my job description: "No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him."—2 Timothy 2:4
Overall, my impression is he probably thinks Trump unfairly lost the election and he's trying to recruit Christians to get him elected again.
Perhaps locally but too many concessions of honesty are made at the state and national levels to permit righteous men or women.
Look at what happened during the last election: the church chose a multi-philandering liar, the basest of men, to represent them.
What we are seeing now is the judgement of the house of God. We always get to go first. God is using, in the U.S., the political system (and other things) to separate those who love the truth from those who will make concessions for a little more power.
Look at what happened during the last election: the church chose a multi-philandering liar, the basest of men, to represent them.
What we are seeing now is the judgement of the house of God. We always get to go first. God is using, in the U.S., the political system (and other things) to separate those who love the truth from those who will make concessions for a little more power.
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The way the US government is set up- the citizens are supposed to be at least somewhat engaged if not totally active.
The idea was that Americans were going to be a moral and smart people... that didnt turn out quite how it was supposed to. But we can work on that.
Christian's should vote their conscience IMO. It's okay to abstain if your young and clueless, but just doing nothing in the political sphere your whole life is irresponsible.
The idea was that Americans were going to be a moral and smart people... that didnt turn out quite how it was supposed to. But we can work on that.
Christian's should vote their conscience IMO. It's okay to abstain if your young and clueless, but just doing nothing in the political sphere your whole life is irresponsible.
There is no "probability" about the major election fraud and crime committed against the United States of America. Even Leftist TIME magazine said as much. Had the feckless and treasonous Supreme Court done its job, Trump would still be president.
It is not only amusing but totally disingenuous for Trump haters to focus on his foibles while they voted for an actual criminal who should have been behind bars with his son. Trump was definitely not a traitor but Biden is that and worse.
Getting back to the OP, the man is correct in saying that Christians must make their influence known through the ballot box. But now it is too late for ballot boxes. When illegal migrants who are not even citizens (and in fact criminals) are voting and distorting the ballot, then the USA has become worse than many third world countries. Even India has a better record for clean elections.
It is not only amusing but totally disingenuous for Trump haters to focus on his foibles while they voted for an actual criminal who should have been behind bars with his son. Trump was definitely not a traitor but Biden is that and worse.
Getting back to the OP, the man is correct in saying that Christians must make their influence known through the ballot box. But now it is too late for ballot boxes. When illegal migrants who are not even citizens (and in fact criminals) are voting and distorting the ballot, then the USA has become worse than many third world countries. Even India has a better record for clean elections.
I believe as you do but I had friends who did nothing in the face of evil being perpetrated by government. Not speaking out is interpreted as assent by the wrongdoer. I guess it would be nice to sit back and let everyone else do the work for you. I just wonder if God will judge those who sat back because the cowardly are listed among those getting thrown into the lake of fire.
Where do you think we're at on the timeline of the end? I have a difficult time with Revelations - I know that the Holy Spirit gives understanding but I've listened to various sermons and tried to piece it together but it's unclear. I don't believe the false rapture theory. Anyone who does should research Scofield.
Where do you think we're at on the timeline of the end? I have a difficult time with Revelations - I know that the Holy Spirit gives understanding but I've listened to various sermons and tried to piece it together but it's unclear. I don't believe the false rapture theory. Anyone who does should research Scofield.
Yes I agree with that so why aren't there more Christians and Christian pastors speaking out about the tyranny that has come upon us? Has anyone here read "Gulag Archipelago"? We are headed into full-blown loss of our freedoms communism. Where is the uproar? Terrorists are coming across our borders. Not nary a peep from the American people. Here is a quote from a man put in a concentration camp:
Remember Solzhenitsyn’s words in the GULAG ARCHIPELAGO: “Resistance should have began right there but it did not begin. You aren’t gagged, you really can and you really ought to cry out that arrests are being made on the strength of false accusations. If many such outcries had been heard all over the city would arrests have no longer have been so easy.”
They, the tyrants, can’t work in the public eye. Those people who were so apathetic, hoping that nothing was really wrong, that nothing would happen to their persons and property, sat back and watched.
If you think that all (that) is necessary is to pay your bills, to go vote when there is an election, and to stand back during the rest of tht year and watch as your country and way of life are replaced by a system in which you will be a slave in a concentration camp, you – not the conspirators – are guilty because you, by silent acquiescence, invite tyranny and oppression.
Remember Solzhenitsyn’s words in the GULAG ARCHIPELAGO: “Resistance should have began right there but it did not begin. You aren’t gagged, you really can and you really ought to cry out that arrests are being made on the strength of false accusations. If many such outcries had been heard all over the city would arrests have no longer have been so easy.”
They, the tyrants, can’t work in the public eye. Those people who were so apathetic, hoping that nothing was really wrong, that nothing would happen to their persons and property, sat back and watched.
If you think that all (that) is necessary is to pay your bills, to go vote when there is an election, and to stand back during the rest of tht year and watch as your country and way of life are replaced by a system in which you will be a slave in a concentration camp, you – not the conspirators – are guilty because you, by silent acquiescence, invite tyranny and oppression.
I don't know of his belief in Trump. Aware Christians know that Trump is owned. He constantly throws the triple six in public. One might excuse that as being a quirk...until you look it up and see actors, sports figures, other countries' leaders, and former American Presidents all throwing the same hand signs. Trump is clearly occult. Likely a 33 degree witch. Christians are woefully unaware when we're warned to be as wise as the serpent...
Yes the government has been evil since day one but you have to admit uglier and uglier ungodly things are being thrust upon us - and you believe that being passive in the face of that is what God calls you to do? Do you think not speaking out when boys and men identifying as girls or women are allowed to use the women's restroom? I was at the airport a few years ago and a man was exiting the ladies room. I thought I accidentally walked into the men's room and quickly looked at the symbol on the wall which was of a woman in a skirt. I told my husband who laughed and said men were now allowed to use the women's bathroom if they "identified" as female. I knew right then that some man was going to use that as a ruse and corner and rape some woman. It just happened in a school.
So you believe since your citizenship is in heaven that you have no duty whatsoever to speak up when a wrong is committed?
Yes the government has been evil since day one but you have to admit uglier and uglier ungodly things are being thrust upon us - and you believe that being passive in the face of that is what God calls you to do? Do you think not speaking out when boys and men identifying as girls or women are allowed to use the women's restroom? I was at the airport a few years ago and a man was exiting the ladies room. I thought I accidentally walked into the men's room and quickly looked at the symbol on the wall which was of a woman in a skirt. I told my husband who laughed and said men were now allowed to use the women's bathroom if they "identified" as female. I knew right then that some man was going to use that as a ruse and corner and rape some woman. It just happened in a school.
So you believe since your citizenship is in heaven that you have no duty whatsoever to speak up when a wrong is committed?
I don't know of his belief in Trump. Aware Christians know that Trump is owned. He constantly throws the triple six in public. One might excuse that as being a quirk...until you look it up and see actors, sports figures, other countries' leaders, and former American Presidents all throwing the same hand signs. Trump is clearly occult. Likely a 33 degree witch. Christians are woefully unaware when we're warned to be as wise as the serpent...
Yes the government has been evil since day one but you have to admit uglier and uglier ungodly things are being thrust upon us - and you believe that being passive in the face of that is what God calls you to do? Do you think not speaking out when boys and men identifying as girls or women are allowed to use the women's restroom? I was at the airport a few years ago and a man was exiting the ladies room. I thought I accidentally walked into the men's room and quickly looked at the symbol on the wall which was of a woman in a skirt. I told my husband who laughed and said men were now allowed to use the women's bathroom if they "identified" as female. I knew right then that some man was going to use that as a ruse and corner and rape some woman. It just happened in a school.
So you believe since your citizenship is in heaven that you have no duty whatsoever to speak up when a wrong is committed? You believe that doing nothing to improve the lot of your fellow believers/ Americans is biblical and that in doing nothing you'll hear the words:
Matthew 25:23
“His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.”
Yes the government has been evil since day one but you have to admit uglier and uglier ungodly things are being thrust upon us - and you believe that being passive in the face of that is what God calls you to do? Do you think not speaking out when boys and men identifying as girls or women are allowed to use the women's restroom? I was at the airport a few years ago and a man was exiting the ladies room. I thought I accidentally walked into the men's room and quickly looked at the symbol on the wall which was of a woman in a skirt. I told my husband who laughed and said men were now allowed to use the women's bathroom if they "identified" as female. I knew right then that some man was going to use that as a ruse and corner and rape some woman. It just happened in a school.
So you believe since your citizenship is in heaven that you have no duty whatsoever to speak up when a wrong is committed? You believe that doing nothing to improve the lot of your fellow believers/ Americans is biblical and that in doing nothing you'll hear the words:
Matthew 25:23
“His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.”
That's insightful. I saw that the sheep and goats were being shown early.
Trump was placed there to placate conservatives so they'd sit on their rears and do nothing - thinking their champion was in office. That people still believe in him is amazing.
Yes I thought God's judgement was going to fall on America and we are told Judgement begins in the House of God. I believe as you do that no one good is permitted to get into high level positions - they're all bought and paid for. Pretty depressing.
Why is no one speaking out about aborted babies being used in the vaccine?
Trump was placed there to placate conservatives so they'd sit on their rears and do nothing - thinking their champion was in office. That people still believe in him is amazing.
Yes I thought God's judgement was going to fall on America and we are told Judgement begins in the House of God. I believe as you do that no one good is permitted to get into high level positions - they're all bought and paid for. Pretty depressing.
Why is no one speaking out about aborted babies being used in the vaccine?
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