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And now come your insults. How "christ" like of you. Of course with the litle "c". You know you can block my posts. Are you a member of the The National Council of Churches? 
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Zionism: Christian Zionism
by David Krusch
Excerpts from https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/christian-zionism
Christian support for Israel is not a recent development. Its politcal roots reach as far back to the 1880s, when a man named William Hechler formed a committee of Christian Zionists to help move Russian Jewish refugees to Palestine after a series of pogroms. In 1884, Hechler wrote a pamphlet called “The Restoration of Jews to Palestine According to the Prophets.” A few years later, he befriended Theodor Herzl after reading Herzl’s book The Jewish State, and joined Herzl to drum up support for Zionism. Hechler even arranged a meeting between Herzl and Kaiser Wilhelm II to discuss Herzl’s proposal to establish a Jewish state in Palestine. The two men remained close friends up until Herzl’s death in 1904.
An important milestone in the history of Christian Zionism occurred in 1979, almost a century after William Hechler approached Herzl and offered to mobilize Christian support for a Jewish state: the founding of the Moral Majority. Founded by Rev. Jerry Falwell, the Moral Majority was an organization made up of conservative Christian political action committees that succeeded in mobilizing like-minded individuals to register and vote for conservative candidates. With nearly six million members, it became a powerful voting bloc during the 1980s and was credited for giving Ronald Reagan the winning edge in the 1980 elections. One of the Moral Majority’s four founding principles was “support for Israel and Jewish people everywhere.”
Christian Zionists, through their volunteer work, political support, and financial assistance to Israel and Jewish causes, have shown that they are stalwart friends of Israel. They have donated large sums of money to support Israel, including to charities that pay the costs of bringing Jews from the former Soviet Union and Ethiopia to Israel.
Despite their support for Israel, many Jews however, are uncomfortable with Christian Zionists. This discomfort is fed by Christian anti-Semitism, Christian replacement theology, evangelical proselytizing, and and disagreements over domestic and political issues.
Dispensationalist Christianity, an interpretive or narrative framework for understanding the overall flow of the Bible, teaches that Christianity did not replace Judaism, but that it restored lost elements of it. The dispensationalist view of the Bible is that the Old Testament is foreshadowing for what will occur in the New Testament and, at the end, Jesus returns to reign on Earth after an epic battle between good and evil. Israel plays a central role in the dispensationalist view of the end of the world. The establishment of Israel in 1948 was seen as a milestone to many dispensationalists on the path toward Jesus’ return. In their minds, now that the Jews again had regained their homeland, all Jews were able to return to Israel, just as had been prophesied in the Bible. As described in the Book of Revelation, there is an epic battle that will take place in Israel after it is reestablished — Armaggedon — in which it is prophesied that good will finally triumph over evil. However, in the process, two-thirds of the Jews in Israel die and the other third are converted to Christianity. Jesus then returns to Earth to rule for 1,000 years as king.
Aside from anti-Semitism and Christian replacement theology, many Jews are wary of the fact that many evangelical Christians simply want to convert them to Christianity or speed up the Second Coming of Christ.
Christian Zionists say Jews have no reason to distrust their motives for supporting Israel because they do not believe they can speed up the Second Coming of Christ. In the Gospel of Matthew, it is written that Jesus said about his return, “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.”
Christian Zionists are also more conservative on Israel than many Jews. They favor Israel maintaining all of its settlements in the West Bank, and were opposed to the Israeli disengagement from the Gaza Strip. Some prominent Christian Zionists have been highly critical of Israeli government policy of giving over parts of Israel to the Palestinian people. Christian Zionists, like followers of the Israeli Right, believe that Israel should never cede any section of Israel to the Palestinians because Israel was given to the Jews by God. After former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon implemented the disengagement plan from the Gaza Strip and then fell ill a few months later, Pat Robertson claimed that his illness was divine retribution for giving up part of biblical Israel. When asked about Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s convergence plan to evacuate settlements in the West Bank, Robertson said, “It’s an absolute disaster...I don't think the holy God is going to be happy about someone giving up his land.”
by David Krusch
Excerpts from https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/christian-zionism
Christian support for Israel is not a recent development. Its politcal roots reach as far back to the 1880s, when a man named William Hechler formed a committee of Christian Zionists to help move Russian Jewish refugees to Palestine after a series of pogroms. In 1884, Hechler wrote a pamphlet called “The Restoration of Jews to Palestine According to the Prophets.” A few years later, he befriended Theodor Herzl after reading Herzl’s book The Jewish State, and joined Herzl to drum up support for Zionism. Hechler even arranged a meeting between Herzl and Kaiser Wilhelm II to discuss Herzl’s proposal to establish a Jewish state in Palestine. The two men remained close friends up until Herzl’s death in 1904.
An important milestone in the history of Christian Zionism occurred in 1979, almost a century after William Hechler approached Herzl and offered to mobilize Christian support for a Jewish state: the founding of the Moral Majority. Founded by Rev. Jerry Falwell, the Moral Majority was an organization made up of conservative Christian political action committees that succeeded in mobilizing like-minded individuals to register and vote for conservative candidates. With nearly six million members, it became a powerful voting bloc during the 1980s and was credited for giving Ronald Reagan the winning edge in the 1980 elections. One of the Moral Majority’s four founding principles was “support for Israel and Jewish people everywhere.”
Christian Zionists, through their volunteer work, political support, and financial assistance to Israel and Jewish causes, have shown that they are stalwart friends of Israel. They have donated large sums of money to support Israel, including to charities that pay the costs of bringing Jews from the former Soviet Union and Ethiopia to Israel.
Despite their support for Israel, many Jews however, are uncomfortable with Christian Zionists. This discomfort is fed by Christian anti-Semitism, Christian replacement theology, evangelical proselytizing, and and disagreements over domestic and political issues.
Dispensationalist Christianity, an interpretive or narrative framework for understanding the overall flow of the Bible, teaches that Christianity did not replace Judaism, but that it restored lost elements of it. The dispensationalist view of the Bible is that the Old Testament is foreshadowing for what will occur in the New Testament and, at the end, Jesus returns to reign on Earth after an epic battle between good and evil. Israel plays a central role in the dispensationalist view of the end of the world. The establishment of Israel in 1948 was seen as a milestone to many dispensationalists on the path toward Jesus’ return. In their minds, now that the Jews again had regained their homeland, all Jews were able to return to Israel, just as had been prophesied in the Bible. As described in the Book of Revelation, there is an epic battle that will take place in Israel after it is reestablished — Armaggedon — in which it is prophesied that good will finally triumph over evil. However, in the process, two-thirds of the Jews in Israel die and the other third are converted to Christianity. Jesus then returns to Earth to rule for 1,000 years as king.
Aside from anti-Semitism and Christian replacement theology, many Jews are wary of the fact that many evangelical Christians simply want to convert them to Christianity or speed up the Second Coming of Christ.
Christian Zionists say Jews have no reason to distrust their motives for supporting Israel because they do not believe they can speed up the Second Coming of Christ. In the Gospel of Matthew, it is written that Jesus said about his return, “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.”
Christian Zionists are also more conservative on Israel than many Jews. They favor Israel maintaining all of its settlements in the West Bank, and were opposed to the Israeli disengagement from the Gaza Strip. Some prominent Christian Zionists have been highly critical of Israeli government policy of giving over parts of Israel to the Palestinian people. Christian Zionists, like followers of the Israeli Right, believe that Israel should never cede any section of Israel to the Palestinians because Israel was given to the Jews by God. After former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon implemented the disengagement plan from the Gaza Strip and then fell ill a few months later, Pat Robertson claimed that his illness was divine retribution for giving up part of biblical Israel. When asked about Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s convergence plan to evacuate settlements in the West Bank, Robertson said, “It’s an absolute disaster...I don't think the holy God is going to be happy about someone giving up his land.”
Praying for the Peace of Jerusalem? An Introduction to American Christian Zionism
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/religionglo...n-introduction-to-american-christian-zionism/
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/religionglo...n-introduction-to-american-christian-zionism/
Dude...you've been on this forum for a week. You can't be telling people to "move along". It's such a gross violation of etiquette. Your lack of self awareness is impressive to say the least. I think you're doing your cause more harm than good...but I think your cause is evil. So keep up the great work!
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This is called "gaslighting". Read your previous post:
Had you left out the last sentence, I could accept that it was "nothing personal". The addition of those last three words makes it an overt personal dig. Clearly, you had already made up your mind, and decided it was appropriate to tell the world.
As another has said, you've been here a week. Like fish, you have already gone off in that time. Perhaps if you dial down the rhetoric, stop making personal comments, and genuinely try to be respectful of others, especially those with whom you disagree, you might find that you are welcomed and appreciated.
Of course, you can also choose to continue as you have been doing. I've dealt with many who act like that. Most have been banned.
Had you left out the last sentence, I could accept that it was "nothing personal". The addition of those last three words makes it an overt personal dig. Clearly, you had already made up your mind, and decided it was appropriate to tell the world.
As another has said, you've been here a week. Like fish, you have already gone off in that time. Perhaps if you dial down the rhetoric, stop making personal comments, and genuinely try to be respectful of others, especially those with whom you disagree, you might find that you are welcomed and appreciated.
Of course, you can also choose to continue as you have been doing. I've dealt with many who act like that. Most have been banned.
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This is called "gaslighting". Read your previous post:
Had you left out the last sentence, I could accept that it was "nothing personal". The addition of those last three words makes it an overt personal dig. Clearly, you had already made up your mind, and decided it was appropriate to tell the world.
Then there's your next post:
That is a personal insult with absolutely no evidence to substantiate it, let alone justify it.
As another has said, you've been here a week. Like fish, you have already gone off in that time. Perhaps if you dial down the rhetoric, stop making personal comments, and genuinely try to be respectful of others, especially those with whom you disagree, you might find that you are welcomed and appreciated.
Of course, you can also choose to continue as you have been doing. I've dealt with many who act like that. Most have been banned.
Had you left out the last sentence, I could accept that it was "nothing personal". The addition of those last three words makes it an overt personal dig. Clearly, you had already made up your mind, and decided it was appropriate to tell the world.
Then there's your next post:
That is a personal insult with absolutely no evidence to substantiate it, let alone justify it.
As another has said, you've been here a week. Like fish, you have already gone off in that time. Perhaps if you dial down the rhetoric, stop making personal comments, and genuinely try to be respectful of others, especially those with whom you disagree, you might find that you are welcomed and appreciated.
Of course, you can also choose to continue as you have been doing. I've dealt with many who act like that. Most have been banned.
Genesis 17:1-8
New King James Version
The Sign of the Covenant
17 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am [a]Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. 2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.” 3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying: 4 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
Note above that God establishes in Genesis 17:7and 8 His covenant between Abraham's decendants after Abraham in ther generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all of Canan, as an everlasting possession ; and I will be their God."
So does God keep His Word or not?
New King James Version
The Sign of the Covenant
17 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am [a]Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. 2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.” 3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying: 4 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
Note above that God establishes in Genesis 17:7and 8 His covenant between Abraham's decendants after Abraham in ther generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all of Canan, as an everlasting possession ; and I will be their God."
So does God keep His Word or not?
You're trying really hard to ignore Jewish Christians and Romans 9.
"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." - Romans 9:6-8 KJV
"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." - Galatians 3:29 KJV
Scripture is very clear that God keeps his promises even if it may violates the fallible understanding of those that falsely feel entitled to them.
"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." - Romans 9:6-8 KJV
"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." - Galatians 3:29 KJV
Scripture is very clear that God keeps his promises even if it may violates the fallible understanding of those that falsely feel entitled to them.
K
Really? It doesn't make you my brother in Christ that is simply saying you may have gone too far in your comment? Because I wouldn't have an issue apologizing to you if I had reason to. I don't know how old you are but that sounds like a rather immature reason for not apologizing when you are wrong. Certainly not a Christlike reason. Just sayin'.
Which wars do you think we fought for Israel, outside of the obvious stopping Hitler. And is there a reason you don't think we should have fought that war? Let's deal with history and not conspiracy theories.
So, a couple things, I don't you're going to hell if you don't support Israel financially. The Biblical principle is bless the Jews and you will be blessed. I believe it. If you don't that's between you and God. You know without the help of a Jew and his money, there may not have been a country called America. You know what I admire about Israel? They keep good books. Those that help them, they never forget, they dedicate roads and write the names of those that help them. America ought to do the same, don't you think? Israel is America's partner in the ME and we have reaped benefits from their inventions and vice versa. So no, I'm not mad at anyone, I don't see a scam.
Really, God who became man and suffered excruciating pain on a cross is not manly to your friends? A man who was perfect in His life and yet gave His life for others sins, that isn't manly to your friends? Who do you run with, the Hells Angels? All of us have gone astray, and yet Christ suffered for us. The ultimate sacrifice, and not one of us deserve it. And that isn't manly to your friends? You hang with some strange people. That's all I can say.
Jesus cried when Lazarus died, He wept over Jerusalem, what does that make Him. He said let the little children come to me, and don't forbid them. God is not Schwarzenegger, God has a depth of love and tenderness beyond our understanding. God created a rose, does that make Him weak?
You know the older you get, the less you care about what people think. You become mature and you know who you are, you know what you believe and you really don't care what "friends" think. I had someone in another thread who I've hardly spoken to tell me I'm horrible and one of the reasons he can't stand CC. And so what? I know who I am, I'm going to stand up for what I believe and Jocund can give me 50 red xs in a row and you can get on board. I know what I believe, I know why I believe it, red xs aren't going to stop me saying what I know to be true. Some people can take that, others can't. I'm direct but I treat everyone with the same respect. But what you think of me, or others, when it comes to what I believe, it simply doesn't matter.
Then as long as we are both here, we'll continue this dance. I think you think I grew up with this belief, and it's true my parents had respect for Israel. But I have read and studied and listened over the years on so many different subjects surrounding Israel. I've read history, I'm not talking just Biblical POV. If you have something different that is legit, I will get it a read. So far no one has shared anything to change my mind. Feel free to try.
Which wars do you think we fought for Israel, outside of the obvious stopping Hitler. And is there a reason you don't think we should have fought that war? Let's deal with history and not conspiracy theories.
So, a couple things, I don't you're going to hell if you don't support Israel financially. The Biblical principle is bless the Jews and you will be blessed. I believe it. If you don't that's between you and God. You know without the help of a Jew and his money, there may not have been a country called America. You know what I admire about Israel? They keep good books. Those that help them, they never forget, they dedicate roads and write the names of those that help them. America ought to do the same, don't you think? Israel is America's partner in the ME and we have reaped benefits from their inventions and vice versa. So no, I'm not mad at anyone, I don't see a scam.
Really, God who became man and suffered excruciating pain on a cross is not manly to your friends? A man who was perfect in His life and yet gave His life for others sins, that isn't manly to your friends? Who do you run with, the Hells Angels? All of us have gone astray, and yet Christ suffered for us. The ultimate sacrifice, and not one of us deserve it. And that isn't manly to your friends? You hang with some strange people. That's all I can say.
Jesus cried when Lazarus died, He wept over Jerusalem, what does that make Him. He said let the little children come to me, and don't forbid them. God is not Schwarzenegger, God has a depth of love and tenderness beyond our understanding. God created a rose, does that make Him weak?
You know the older you get, the less you care about what people think. You become mature and you know who you are, you know what you believe and you really don't care what "friends" think. I had someone in another thread who I've hardly spoken to tell me I'm horrible and one of the reasons he can't stand CC. And so what? I know who I am, I'm going to stand up for what I believe and Jocund can give me 50 red xs in a row and you can get on board. I know what I believe, I know why I believe it, red xs aren't going to stop me saying what I know to be true. Some people can take that, others can't. I'm direct but I treat everyone with the same respect. But what you think of me, or others, when it comes to what I believe, it simply doesn't matter.
Then as long as we are both here, we'll continue this dance. I think you think I grew up with this belief, and it's true my parents had respect for Israel. But I have read and studied and listened over the years on so many different subjects surrounding Israel. I've read history, I'm not talking just Biblical POV. If you have something different that is legit, I will get it a read. So far no one has shared anything to change my mind. Feel free to try.
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Funny, I don't remember an apology for this one: https://christianchat.com/threads/u...approach-to-homosexuality.199754/post-4590426
To quote your line when prompted for an apology: "No one died and made you God, you don't get to tell anyone what to do here."
For someone that bears false witness against other users and refuses to apologize, this type of behaviour of asking surfer14 to apologize where you have refused is a demonstration of a hypocritical double standard. Your behaviour in these instances is toxic and unwelcome.
The comment in question: https://christianchat.com/threads/replacement-theology.201969/post-4681616
There is also at least one instance where you openly expressed joy at the prospect of a user being banned that you disagreed with. (https://christianchat.com/threads/why-do-israelis-hate-christians.96856/post-3970392) These types of "victory gloats" can create a perception of pettiness in the mind of onlookers that might not be commented on directly or immediately - in some cases for fear that showing criticism toward that seeming bully-behaviour might bring about the same viciousness unto them. Bullies, whether they are identified or not, can create tension that may not be discussed until some time later. And even then the specific instances of offence may not be explicitly revealed when the nature of the discomfort is discussed.
Surely each ban in the past has had reasons, but a "gloat" speech of any nature creates problems.
"Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth" - Proverbs 24:17 KVJ
The disagree icon happens to be a red x, I'm not sure why you would take offence to someone expressing disagreement. For posts that say something that explicitly contradicts scripture or any other aspect of factual reality, there is a chance I will utilize the icon to express my disagreement. I think we all try to use it as appropriately as we can while still expressing ourselves.
Truth and love are sacred. We shouldn't be afraid if someone from a different perspective disagrees. We shouldn't be afraid to put forward what we feel is true even if there is a perceived bully in the room. The hope is that the shared approach is such that there is a willingness to logically discuss why each person has taken their respective position without hate. The problem comes when there is a fundamental breakdown in dialogue. If one party says "Y is not necessarily true" the position of the other party might be to return a visceral emotional response because from their perspective it is considered to be necessarily true (and perhaps they are accustomed to getting their way by using emotional responses instead of rationalizing).
When people start attacking someone's character instead of the ideas they present, the pursuit of truth becomes a casualty in the conversation. People that don't care about truth will turn the conversation into personal attacks or a game of aggressively changing topic to forum slide and throw those with a choleric temperament off balance.
The type of goading you just did with your last comment was essentially a setup for:
"I wasn't talking to you, just about you, butt out!"
It's nearly impossible to have a constructive conversation because of what seems to be an unusual sense of what "respect" means. You can seemingly do whatever you like, but for the sake of the rest of community that might be hesitant to stand up to you, stop being so hateful and be mindful about how you talk. If the way you are behaving is the standard for Christian Zionists, I think you're going to have a hard time convincing people to join your side.
To quote your line when prompted for an apology: "No one died and made you God, you don't get to tell anyone what to do here."
For someone that bears false witness against other users and refuses to apologize, this type of behaviour of asking surfer14 to apologize where you have refused is a demonstration of a hypocritical double standard. Your behaviour in these instances is toxic and unwelcome.
The comment in question: https://christianchat.com/threads/replacement-theology.201969/post-4681616
There is also at least one instance where you openly expressed joy at the prospect of a user being banned that you disagreed with. (https://christianchat.com/threads/why-do-israelis-hate-christians.96856/post-3970392) These types of "victory gloats" can create a perception of pettiness in the mind of onlookers that might not be commented on directly or immediately - in some cases for fear that showing criticism toward that seeming bully-behaviour might bring about the same viciousness unto them. Bullies, whether they are identified or not, can create tension that may not be discussed until some time later. And even then the specific instances of offence may not be explicitly revealed when the nature of the discomfort is discussed.
Surely each ban in the past has had reasons, but a "gloat" speech of any nature creates problems.
"Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth" - Proverbs 24:17 KVJ
The disagree icon happens to be a red x, I'm not sure why you would take offence to someone expressing disagreement. For posts that say something that explicitly contradicts scripture or any other aspect of factual reality, there is a chance I will utilize the icon to express my disagreement. I think we all try to use it as appropriately as we can while still expressing ourselves.
Truth and love are sacred. We shouldn't be afraid if someone from a different perspective disagrees. We shouldn't be afraid to put forward what we feel is true even if there is a perceived bully in the room. The hope is that the shared approach is such that there is a willingness to logically discuss why each person has taken their respective position without hate. The problem comes when there is a fundamental breakdown in dialogue. If one party says "Y is not necessarily true" the position of the other party might be to return a visceral emotional response because from their perspective it is considered to be necessarily true (and perhaps they are accustomed to getting their way by using emotional responses instead of rationalizing).
When people start attacking someone's character instead of the ideas they present, the pursuit of truth becomes a casualty in the conversation. People that don't care about truth will turn the conversation into personal attacks or a game of aggressively changing topic to forum slide and throw those with a choleric temperament off balance.
The type of goading you just did with your last comment was essentially a setup for:
"I wasn't talking to you, just about you, butt out!"
It's nearly impossible to have a constructive conversation because of what seems to be an unusual sense of what "respect" means. You can seemingly do whatever you like, but for the sake of the rest of community that might be hesitant to stand up to you, stop being so hateful and be mindful about how you talk. If the way you are behaving is the standard for Christian Zionists, I think you're going to have a hard time convincing people to join your side.
K
No, you didn't get one because you used a Scripture verse that had nothing to do with the subject at hand. Then you continued to badger about it when it had nothing whatsoever to do with what we were talking about. You were totally either out of line or truly not understanding the subject. Then you continued to demand that you be answered when your post made no sense in the conversation. As I said, had I been wrong, you'd have gotten an apology. I wasn't. As far as being unwelcome, that's up to the mods. If you can't take a direct comment, you have an ignore button.
Yes, what about it? Was I speaking to you?
Yes, I said I hope to see you banned. Expressed joy is your opinion, you're entitled to it. If I said " all blacks hate white people because of slavery" would that be a true and balanced statement to you?! Because if you think it is, you have an issue with judging. You don't know what "all" of anyone thinks, only God knows that. Simple common sense.
Umm humm now tell me, would you be this upset if a Jewish person was offended or is it just people who agree with your POV? Cause that's the vibe I'm gettin' here.
I don't mind the red x if it's not used as a weapon. I agree, if something is false doctrine I give it a red x unless I think that person doesn't understand why something is false. Then I will explain.
Getting their way? What do you mean? There is a definite right and wrong in Scripture. Replacement Theology is wrong, it's a false doctrine. What more is there to discuss and rationalize?
No one is attacking anyone's character. No more than you have in this thread. I wasn't talking to you in my reply to Surf, but here I am answering your post.
Now Jocund, to be fair, I haven't picked through your posts to see if you have been kind and sweet to everyone who has disagreed with you. I find it fairly funny that you would say anyone here is "afraid" to speak up to me. I've not had a mod yet say anything to me about my posts, not as long as I have been here. So I find it rather hard to believe that everyone here is afraid of me. I give my opinion, the same as everyone else here. Sometimes it's direct and people can answer me back, same as Surf did. As much as he and I tangle on this subject, I like him and we have managed to get along, but of us with very direct and opposite opinions.
Well you're not joining "my side", as I said, God is a Zionist according to the definition given...
Zionist -a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.
God has a plan for Israel. He has promises He made to Israel and He will keep them. And if He won't keep His promises to the Jews, He won't keep His promises to us. It really is that simple.
Yes, what about it? Was I speaking to you?
Yes, I said I hope to see you banned. Expressed joy is your opinion, you're entitled to it. If I said " all blacks hate white people because of slavery" would that be a true and balanced statement to you?! Because if you think it is, you have an issue with judging. You don't know what "all" of anyone thinks, only God knows that. Simple common sense.
Umm humm now tell me, would you be this upset if a Jewish person was offended or is it just people who agree with your POV? Cause that's the vibe I'm gettin' here.
I don't mind the red x if it's not used as a weapon. I agree, if something is false doctrine I give it a red x unless I think that person doesn't understand why something is false. Then I will explain.
Getting their way? What do you mean? There is a definite right and wrong in Scripture. Replacement Theology is wrong, it's a false doctrine. What more is there to discuss and rationalize?
No one is attacking anyone's character. No more than you have in this thread. I wasn't talking to you in my reply to Surf, but here I am answering your post.
Now Jocund, to be fair, I haven't picked through your posts to see if you have been kind and sweet to everyone who has disagreed with you. I find it fairly funny that you would say anyone here is "afraid" to speak up to me. I've not had a mod yet say anything to me about my posts, not as long as I have been here. So I find it rather hard to believe that everyone here is afraid of me. I give my opinion, the same as everyone else here. Sometimes it's direct and people can answer me back, same as Surf did. As much as he and I tangle on this subject, I like him and we have managed to get along, but of us with very direct and opposite opinions.
Well you're not joining "my side", as I said, God is a Zionist according to the definition given...
Zionist -a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.
God has a plan for Israel. He has promises He made to Israel and He will keep them. And if He won't keep His promises to the Jews, He won't keep His promises to us. It really is that simple.
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Ok, so you keep repeating this Scripture. But that does not change the fact that God is not done with the Jewish people. This is not saying that the church replaces Israel. Maybe this is where the misunderstanding begins. There are promises God has made that have yet to be fulfilled and it has nothing to do with the church.