How many here believe the literal Word of God in the Bible

[Dino246]

I apply it to the kjv.

For that is the only version of which there is a controversy about whether it is the only translation that is inerrant and inspired.

That there is a controversy indicates that the kjv-only side of the controversy may have some merit;

And personally, I won't take chances; so I utilize the kjv primarily.

That's deeply flawed reasoning.

 

[Dino246]

How have I attacked you personally?

In this:

I don't know about your god;

But my God is both sovereign and Omnipotent and loving.

You have implied that I believe in an inferior god. If that isn't a personal attack, then what is it?

 

[Dino246]

I believe that the Lord inspired, by His Holy Spirit, the choice of words in English when the kjv was translated.

You can believe whatever you like, but even the translators themselves did not believe as you do.

 

[justbyfaith]

In this:


You have implied that I believe in an inferior god. If that isn't a personal attack, then what is it?

It was an implication only; and that based on the fact that you appear to believe in a god that is not Omnipotent and sovereign and loving; who is not able or motivated to preserve His unadulterated gospel message in a language that we can understand.

 

[justbyfaith]

You can believe whatever you like, but even the translators themselves did not believe as you do.

Of course they were humble.

It doesn't mean that they were right, in thinking what you are saying they did.

 

[justbyfaith]

That's deeply flawed reasoning.

It is kind of like Pascal's wager in its reasoning element; so no, it is not flawed reasoning.

 

[Dino246]

All language is God inspired.Look what he did at the tower of Babel.

Everyone should study their Bibles and save verses.Group them in sections.Words of praise.Verses for when you need him most.Help against the enemy.
It's the most powerful weapon on earth.The best armor you can wear.God saved me this way in a spiritual battle when I was born again and didn't know how to pray.That's how the Bible is to be used.Any Translation.

Please explain your understanding of theopneustos as used in 2 Timothy 3:16, and how this term makes the Scriptures unique among the books of the world.

 

[justbyfaith]

Please explain your understanding of theopneustos as used in 2 Timothy 3:16, and how this term makes the Scriptures unique among the books of the world.

The KJV translates Strong's G2315 in the following manner: given by inspiration of God (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. inspired by God
   1. the contents of the scriptures

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
θεόπνευστος theópneustos, theh-op'-nyoo-stos; from G2316 and a presumed derivative of G4154; divinely breathed in:—given by inspiration of God.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon [?](Jump to Scripture Index)
STRONGS NT 2315: θεόπνευστος
θεόπνευστος, -ον, (θεός and πνέω), inspired by God: γραφή, i. e. the contents of Scripture, 2 Timothy 3:16 [see πᾶς, I. 1 c.]; σοφίη, [pseudo-] Phocyl. 121; ὄνειροι, Plutarch, de plac. phil. 5, 2, 3, p. 904 f.; [Sibylline Oracles 5, 406 (cf. 308); Nonnus, paraphr. ev. Ioan. 1, 99]. (ἔμπνευστος also is used passively, but ἄπνευστος, εὔπνευστος, πυρίπνευστος [δυσδιάπνευστος], actively [and δυσανάπνευστος; apparently either active or passive; cf. Winer's Grammar, 96 (92) note].)

 

[Dino246]

It is kind of like Pascal's wager in its reasoning element; so no, it is not flawed reasoning.

Your stated reasoning is that because there is controversy, there must be merit to one side of the argument. If you truly believed that, you would have to recognize that there is also merit to the other side of the argument. That was not Pascal's wager at all.

 

[Dino246]

The KJV translates Strong's G2315 in the following manner: given by inspiration of God (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. inspired by God
   1. the contents of the scriptures

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
θεόπνευστος theópneustos, theh-op'-nyoo-stos; from G2316 and a presumed derivative of G4154; divinely breathed in:—given by inspiration of God.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon [?](Jump to Scripture Index)
STRONGS NT 2315: θεόπνευστος
θεόπνευστος, -ον, (θεός and πνέω), inspired by God: γραφή, i. e. the contents of Scripture, 2 Timothy 3:16 [see πᾶς, I. 1 c.]; σοφίη, [pseudo-] Phocyl. 121; ὄνειροι, Plutarch, de plac. phil. 5, 2, 3, p. 904 f.; [Sibylline Oracles 5, 406 (cf. 308); Nonnus, paraphr. ev. Ioan. 1, 99]. (ἔμπνευστος also is used passively, but ἄπνευστος, εὔπνευστος, πυρίπνευστος [δυσδιάπνευστος], actively [and δυσανάπνευστος; apparently either active or passive; cf. Winer's Grammar, 96 (92) note].)

Thanks, but how does your understanding of the concepts help explain someone else's understanding of the concepts?

 

[Dino246]

Of course they were humble.

It doesn't mean that they were right, in thinking what you are saying they did.

It should lead you to question your own position.

 

[justbyfaith]

Your stated reasoning is that because there is controversy, there must be merit to one side of the argument. If you truly believed that, you would have to recognize that there is also merit to the other side of the argument. That was not Pascal's wager at all.

Pascal's wager had to do with the idea of not gambling on something that you're unsure of.

I am uncertain of the inerrancy and inspiration of modern translations; so I tend to avoid them.

I do believe that the fact that there is a controversy over kjv-only indicates that there may be some merit to the kjv-only side of the argument.

So, I'm not taking any chances on translations that may not measure up to par. I have also seen how many of them do take away words, phrases, sentences, paragraphs, even entire passages from what is considered to be holy scripture.

I don't want to be cheated out of something that the Holy Spirit might want to minister to me.

If you do, then I feel sorry for you.

 

[justbyfaith]

It should lead you to question your own position.

I don't feel the need to question my position.

I am quite comfortable in believing in what I believe.

A little testimony.

I started out with the kjv; but when someone suggested that I try a more modern translation, I did; and my walk with Christ went downhill from there.

When I again picked up the kjv, things started looking up again.

So, my experience tells me that I do not want to go backward another time.

 

[justbyfaith]

Thanks, but how does your understanding of the concepts help explain someone else's understanding of the concepts?

Just trying to be helpful.

The person to whom you addressed the post also may be inclined to answer.

 

[Dino246]

Pascal's wager had to do with the idea of not gambling on something that you're unsure of.

I am uncertain of the inerrancy and inspiration of modern translations; so I tend to avoid them.

I do believe that the fact that there is a controversy over kjv-only indicates that there may be some merit to the kjv-only side of the argument.

So, I'm not taking any chances on translations that may not measure up to par. I have also seen how many of them do take away words, phrases, sentences, paragraphs, even entire passages from what is considered to be holy scripture.

I don't want to be cheated out of something that the Holy Spirit might want to minister to me.

If you do, then I feel sorry for you.

And, like I stated previously, your reasoning is flawed. Whether you accept that or not is irrelevant.

 

[Dino246]

I don't feel the need to question my position.

I am quite comfortable in believing in what I believe.

A little testimony.

I started out with the kjv; but when someone suggested that I try a more modern translation, I did; and my walk with Christ went downhill from there.

When I again picked up the kjv, things started looking up again.

So, my experience tells me that I do not want to go backward another time.

There isn't anywhere near enough information in your "testimony" for it to be convincing. You have embraced many cultic beliefs about the KJV, and about other translations.

 

[justbyfaith]

And, like I stated previously, your reasoning is flawed. Whether you accept that or not is irrelevant.

It is not airtight, if that is what you are saying; however, it is not flawed either.

 

[Blik]

I can think of instances where understanding the Greek can add insight to what is written in the kjv.

However, the unadulterated message of the gospel is complete therein (in the kjv).

It would be so helpful if we knew the Hebrew language that was the first language God spoke to humans through. We can only do the best we can to reach through language to the truth the Lord is expressing to us.

The most original of the scrolls is mainly in Hebrew. Men who gave us the earliest scripture we still have often wrote in Greek, but their knowledge of God was through study of the Hebrew in the scrolls and so they thought in Hebrew as a first language to learn of God's ways. All translations are not the original and not as pure as the original.

Study, prayer, being humble before God, the holy spirit---it all works together as we make God's ways a part of us.

 

[justbyfaith]

You have embraced many cultic beliefs about the KJV, and about other translations.

That is merely your opinion.

 

[justbyfaith]

It would be so helpful if we knew the Hebrew language that was the first language God spoke to humans through. We can only do the best we can to reach through language to the truth the Lord is expressing to us.

The most original of the scrolls is mainly in Hebrew. Men who gave us the earliest scripture we still have often wrote in Greek, but their knowledge of God was through study of the Hebrew in the scrolls and so they thought in Hebrew as a first language to learn of God's ways. All translations are not the original and not as pure as the original.

Study, prayer, being humble before God, the holy spirit---it all works together as we make God's ways a part of us.

Yes, the Holy Spirit is able to minister to us adequately, and maybe even superbly, when we study the kjv.