How many here believe the literal Word of God in the Bible

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How many here believe the literal Word of God in the Bible


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justbyfaith

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#81
There isn't anywhere near enough information in your "testimony" for it to be convincing.
I suppose that I could give you a long and drawn out synopsis of everything that took place; but I don't want to bore you with the details.

Suffice it to say that the small testimony that I gave you is true and of the Holy Spirit.
 

Blik

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#82
It is not airtight, if that is what you are saying; however, it is not flawed either.
The parents of John were watching as he marched in a parade. Ma said to Pa "Look, Pa, they are all out of step but John".

Scripture is truth, truth can't be changed by what anyone believes. We see darkly, we all need the truth of that.
 

justbyfaith

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#83
The parents of John were watching as he marched in a parade. Ma said to Pa "Look, Pa, they are all out of step but John".

Scripture is truth, truth can't be changed by what anyone believes. We see darkly, we all need the truth of that.
Of course, there will come a time in the future when they will all be out of step but "John".

The apostle John is a candidate for who we believe might be one of the two witnesses.

Whether he will be or not, it is true that the two witnesses will be proclaiming the truth to a world that is against them with one accord in everything that they believe.

Therefore, I would say that there are times when the one who is in the minority has the truth when the majority is in error.

It is even written in holy scripture,

Mat 7:13, Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14, Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


That would indicate to me that the majority is going to have it wrong most of the time.
 

Nehemiah6

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#86
However, nothing of significance has been lost and we can rest assured that what we have is very close to the originals and sufficient for salvation and Godly living in Christ.
A word of caution. 95% of the preserved manuscripts, versions, and lectionaries all agree and are called either the traditional Hebrew or traditional Greek texts. However, about 5% or less of the manuscripts are in fact corruptions and should have been totally discarded. Instead they gained ascendency from the late 19th century. So you have TWO STREAMS of Bibles. And the corrupted versions have thousands of errors, omissions, additions, transpositions, alterations, etc.
 

Dino246

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#87
Suffice it to say that the small testimony that I gave you is true and of the Holy Spirit.
No, it is not "of the Holy Spirit"; it is your testimony, not His.
 

Dino246

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#88
Mat 7:13, Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14, Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


That would indicate to me that the majority is going to have it wrong most of the time.
Yes, the unsaved majority. Christians are not among them. Assuming this verse means "Christians" is embracing cultic thinking.
 

Blik

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#89
Not in the NKJV...
I am only trying, studying, listening for God's voice, and praying and I am mere "man". but of this I am absolutely sure is the truth. It is wrong to say that the men who transcribed the KJV could divorce themselves completely from their fleshly natures and never hear a word of the world but only that of the Holy Spirit as they translated the word of the Lord. That would be as foolish as saying that the Lord did not help them and we are not to believe any of the KJV. We are to test the spirits.
 
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um sorry Dino 246 the Harlot the,, 1 in Revelation is sin and she is like um on 7 hills right?,,Those hills are the 7 worst sins if there is such.The 7 churches cover the whole world not just Asia.We are called to leave her!! she is after all sin incarnate.
 

Dino246

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um sorry Dino 246 the Harlot the,, 1 in Revelation is sin and she is like um on 7 hills right?,,Those hills are the 7 worst sins if there is such.The 7 churches cover the whole world not just Asia.We are called to leave her!! she is after all sin incarnate.
The seven hills are seven literal hills. It's not a metaphor. The seven churches are seven literal city fellowships in what is now Western Turkey; they don't represent the whole world.

I'd encourage you to pay closer attention to what the Scripture actually say, and less attention to what people (including me) tell you it means. That way, you're much less likely to be thrown about by every wind of doctrine.
 
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#92
The seven hills are seven literal hills. It's not a metaphor. The seven churches are seven literal city fellowships in what is now Western Turkey; they don't represent the whole world.

I'd encourage you to pay closer attention to what the Scripture actually say, and less attention to what people (including me) tell you it means. That way, you're much less likely to be thrown about by every wind of doctrine.
Whats more important to god? land? or our closeness to him it's not just 7 hills = nations because all the worlds governments belong to the devil and the devil is a slave to the harlot,,for the [harlot is sin] she ride him = controls him, no evil pun intended the [beast in that context is the devil] If the mystery harlot is sin then of course the 7 hills would be the 7 deadly sins,, that are in our heart,,and either way they would be with in,for both heaven and hell are within.,,,se lah :) side note: Scripture is not Scripture until god is talking to you.
 

Blik

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#93
Yes, the Holy Spirit is able to minister to us adequately, and maybe even superbly, when we study the kjv.
Now wait just one minute. You preach that the KJV is never to be questioned, we are not to test the spirit, that man can be infallible. I find that idea is contrary to what scripture tells me. I know God does not need me to speak up for God, but I also don't want anyone to think that even if I am only one imperfect person and my testimony is not worth much, I do want to be sure that if it is the truth as I know it, my voice will speak for truth and I do the best I can. I find saying we are not to question a translation including the KJV is not the truth as scripture gives it to us.
 

Dino246

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Whats more important to god? land? or our closeness to him it's not just 7 hills = nations because all the worlds governments belong to the devil and the devil is a slave to the harlot,,for the [harlot is sin] she ride him = controls him, no evil pun intended the [beast in that context is the devil] If the mystery harlot is sin then of course the 7 hills would be the 7 deadly sins,, that are in our heart,,and either way they would be with in,for both heaven and hell are within.,,,se lah :)
Your interpretation is not based on Scripture, but on speculations.

side note: Scripture is not Scripture until god is talking to you.
Wrong; Scripture is God talking to us.
 

justbyfaith

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#95
A word of caution. 95% of the preserved manuscripts, versions, and lectionaries all agree and are called either the traditional Hebrew or traditional Greek texts. However, about 5% or less of the manuscripts are in fact corruptions and should have been totally discarded. Instead they gained ascendency from the late 19th century. So you have TWO STREAMS of Bibles. And the corrupted versions have thousands of errors, omissions, additions, transpositions, alterations, etc.
The Textus Receptus (from which we get the kjv) is the correct stream.
 

justbyfaith

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#97
Yes, the unsaved majority. Christians are not among them. Assuming this verse means "Christians" is embracing cultic thinking.
The majority of people don't have the truth.

There are many people who think that they are saved but really aren't.
 

justbyfaith

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#98
I am only trying, studying, listening for God's voice, and praying and I am mere "man". but of this I am absolutely sure is the truth. It is wrong to say that the men who transcribed the KJV could divorce themselves completely from their fleshly natures and never hear a word of the world but only that of the Holy Spirit as they translated the word of the Lord. That would be as foolish as saying that the Lord did not help them and we are not to believe any of the KJV. We are to test the spirits.
Was it also impossible for the Lord to have done what you are saying could not have been done with the translators, when the original apostles penned the holy scriptures?
 

justbyfaith

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#99
Now wait just one minute. You preach that the KJV is never to be questioned, we are not to test the spirit, that man can be infallible. I find that idea is contrary to what scripture tells me. I know God does not need me to speak up for God, but I also don't want anyone to think that even if I am only one imperfect person and my testimony is not worth much, I do want to be sure that if it is the truth as I know it, my voice will speak for truth and I do the best I can. I find saying we are not to question a translation including the KJV is not the truth as scripture gives it to us.
Was it impossible that the original apostles who penned the holy scriptures could have given us the unadulterated message of the gospel in the Bible, because they were not infallible?
 
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Your interpretation is not based on Scripture, but on speculations.


Wrong; Scripture is God talking to us.
Thanks for saying us however some see but can't preceive hear yet cannot understand.even if our interpretation is based on speculation does not of itself make us wrong.the word is not a cook book, do this get this, it,,it's more like a hidden treasure,,,thus the name Israel means to contend with god,,,where a name such as Islam means to be obedient to god.Again scriputure is god not written words