How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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Of course, you have to know how to handle a scalpel - or the consequences can be disastrous... 
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You post 2 verses having the gathering AFTER the trib from heaven and heavens.
Psssst...the UTTERMOST PART OF EARTH IS THE ATMOSPHERE....yep...AHEM ....heaven.
Zec 2:6
for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord
Daniel 11:4
And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven
Daniel 8:8
Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
Jeremiah 49:36
And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven,
You post two scripture references of gatherings in heaven and then try to make that into the rapture ,which is a gathering of the earth ,and those under the Earth the dead in Christ.
then try to reframe scripture to suit your Doctrine.
Then you post verses in 1st Thessalonians 1 that have Jesus glorified at the second coming. Of course he is why would he not be glorified by those that believe. Pretty sure that proves absolutely nothing in trying to defend a post-trib rapture.
In fact you have helped me prove that the Rapture is pre-trib,and that there cannot be a post-trib rapture .
it's completely wrong, it doesn't fit ,you can't make it fit. ....and you guys are proving it over and over and over.
Thanks for the pretrib verses.
""""Absolutely, who does seem to understand that the Harvest of the Earth is a description of the rapture, but like you, he has incorrectly placed the harvest/rapture pre-trib, a gross error that disregards scripture."""
Nope, i just threw a monkey wrench into your ONLY VERSE.
You never had but one verse to begin with ,and I shot that down many many years ago, because it says Angels gather from Heaven not earth and it's angels that do the Gathering not Jesus
Psssst...the UTTERMOST PART OF EARTH IS THE ATMOSPHERE....yep...AHEM ....heaven.
Zec 2:6
for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord
Daniel 11:4
And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven
Daniel 8:8
Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
Jeremiah 49:36
And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven,
You post two scripture references of gatherings in heaven and then try to make that into the rapture ,which is a gathering of the earth ,and those under the Earth the dead in Christ.
then try to reframe scripture to suit your Doctrine.
Then you post verses in 1st Thessalonians 1 that have Jesus glorified at the second coming. Of course he is why would he not be glorified by those that believe. Pretty sure that proves absolutely nothing in trying to defend a post-trib rapture.
In fact you have helped me prove that the Rapture is pre-trib,and that there cannot be a post-trib rapture .
it's completely wrong, it doesn't fit ,you can't make it fit. ....and you guys are proving it over and over and over.
Thanks for the pretrib verses.
""""Absolutely, who does seem to understand that the Harvest of the Earth is a description of the rapture, but like you, he has incorrectly placed the harvest/rapture pre-trib, a gross error that disregards scripture."""
Nope, i just threw a monkey wrench into your ONLY VERSE.
You never had but one verse to begin with ,and I shot that down many many years ago, because it says Angels gather from Heaven not earth and it's angels that do the Gathering not Jesus
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DT.....a little friendly advice:
Try handling the Scripture more like a scalpel instead of a blunt instrument. You are just not making a lot of headway there buddy....
Try handling the Scripture more like a scalpel instead of a blunt instrument. You are just not making a lot of headway there buddy....
Then He spoke a parable to them, that men always ought to pray and not lose heart, 2saying: “There was in a certain city a judge who did not fear God nor regard man. 3Now there was a widow in that city; and she came to him, saying, ‘Get justice for me from my adversary.’ 4And he would not for a while; but afterward he said within himself, ‘Though I do not fear God nor regard man, 5yet because this widow troubles me I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.’ ”
6Then the Lord said, “Hear what the unjust judge said.
7And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them?
8I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”
Luke 18
I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 1:9
There does not exist in Scripture a "pre-trib" rapture.
If you find one - please let me know = PEACE
There does not exist in Scripture a "pre-trib" rapture.
If you find one - please let me know = PEACE
I don't know why you insist on making four winds refer exclusively to the heavens (Earth's atmosphere) when there are many verses that use it in context of Earth.
Ezekiel 37:9
Then He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they come to life.”’”
Mark 13:27
And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.
Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.
The point you're trying to prove doesn't fit the context. For one, the majority of people aren't going to be in the Earth's atmosphere during the post-trib rapture so the "four winds" is not where they are gathered from, but rather where they are gathered to.
Notice, gathered from earth to heaven.
Mark 13:27
And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.
Ezekiel 37:9
Then He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they come to life.”’”
Mark 13:27
And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.
Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.
The point you're trying to prove doesn't fit the context. For one, the majority of people aren't going to be in the Earth's atmosphere during the post-trib rapture so the "four winds" is not where they are gathered from, but rather where they are gathered to.
Notice, gathered from earth to heaven.
Mark 13:27
And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.
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