Is everything scripture tells us from an eternal God, so all scripture is always true?

[Dino246]

If the law that is given to us in scripture was not of God giving eternal truth but only something for a select group of people,

That's the thing: it wasn't given to "us"; it was given to ancient Israel.

then scripture can not be trusted for truth.

How do you figure that?

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

no change...
one added by Christ...
that we love our neighbors as ourselves..

Precious friend, yes, Paul says we "Fulfil ALL Of His Law, In "ONE Word:
LOVE thy neighbor as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10), but
there Many Differences!:

God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels
Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs Mystery!

Please Be Richly Encouraged in Christ, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!!

 

[Blik]

Then you have absolutely no understanding of the Mosiac law,Blik.

Do you think the law GIVEN TO JEWS UNDER MOSES IS FOR YOU?

Even if your ethnicity is Hebrew if you are born again of blood and water as Jesus said,then the laws at Sinai do not COVER your sins.

The law of Zion,the law of liberty bought with the blood of Jesus,God's son, is the law of born again.

The law of the OT brought death but Jesus came to give life and give it more abundantly.

I question......do you know any other things about the word of God or is LAW it for you. If so death will be brought to you without grace.

As Gentiles without grace we will never see the face of God!
As Jews without Jesus they will be in the hands of a just God who has a plan for them!

Maybe you should choose this day WHOM you will serve!

I think the law given to Moses was given by a God who only speaks truth, and truth is not selective of race. Do you think the law given to Moses was not the truth?

I know the word of God, and law is part of that word. Have you separated the law from the word, so you read the word by eliminating law? I read the entire word, not cherry picking the word.

 

[Blik]

That's the thing: it wasn't given to "us"; it was given to ancient Israel.


How do you figure that?

Was what was given to ancient Israel the truth in your mind, or not the truth?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

God has changed His direction for man all throughout scripture.

the letter to the Colossians tells us that all the speculation, all the demands to keep the law or parts of the law, all the squabbles about the Sabbath or what you eat, means nothing with the reality that is in Christ. all of the law is only a shadow of the reality that is in Christ Jesus

These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ Col.2:17


6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For rin him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.
16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or ja new moon or a Sabbath.

17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,4 puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
20 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22 (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh. Colossians 2

amen it’s the doctrine of angels temporary until the truth came

 

[Dino246]

Was what was given to ancient Israel the truth in your mind, or not the truth?

I smell a false dichotomy.

 

[Blik]

I smell a false dichotomy.

Yes. Whenever I hear that God does not speak to humankind but only to Israel, it rings of falsehood. I do not see how there can be any truth in such an idea. God wanted Israel to illustrate God to the heaven gentiles and God wouldn't do that by teaching what wasn't of truth to them.

 

[Gardenias]

I think the law given to Moses was given by a God who only speaks truth, and truth is not selective of race. Do you think the law given to Moses was not the truth?

I know the word of God, and law is part of that word. Have you separated the law from the word, so you read the word by eliminating law? I read the entire word, not cherry picking the word.

I have read the whole of the bible many times over.

All of God's word is truth,but not all of it is directed at everyone and not all of it is eternal. It is Holy Spirit inspired for situations, time periods, certain people!

Why do you think that he picked the lineage of Abram?

Why were the Israelites given the law but not those surrounding them in the promised land?

Why do you think Christ made a NEW COVENANT?

Who made the Old Covenant and why?

Do you believe what Christ Jesus says?

Do you burn your house if mold grows?

Come on Blik,get over it.

This is ALL I ever see you post or something very close to the law.

You CHERRY PICK your favorite parts
it seems. There is a HUGE MULTITUDE of thoughts,commands,miracles,love,forgiveness ,wrath,battles.ect to be gleaned from the word of God.

It is our instructual Manuel on how to have a relationship with God!

 

[Blik]

All of God's word is truth,but not all of it is directed at everyone and not all of it is eternal. It is Holy Spirit inspired for situations, time periods, certain people!

Why do you think that he picked the lineage of Abram?

Why were the Israelites given the law but not those surrounding them in the promised land?

Why do you think Christ made a NEW COVENANT?

Who made the Old Covenant and why?

Do you believe what Christ Jesus says?

Do you burn your house if mold grows?

Come on Blik,get over it.

This is ALL I ever see you post or something very close to the law.

You CHERRY PICK your favorite parts
it seems. There is a HUGE MULTITUDE of thoughts,commands,miracles,love,forgiveness ,wrath,battles.ect to be gleaned from the word of God.

It is our instructual Manuel on how to have a relationship with God!

You say God speaks truth, then you qualify it by saying God picked Abraham to give that truth to. You say God is truth, and then you turn around and say God gave the law to only a few people. I speak for all scripture, but you say speaking of all scripture is cherry picking, you want it to be your personal scripture.

In case you hadn't heard--it was the holy God who made the old covenant and the holy God who improved that covenant.

 

[Amanuensis]

You say God speaks truth, then you qualify it by saying God picked Abraham to give that truth to. You say God is truth, and then you turn around and say God gave the law to only a few people. I speak for all scripture, but you say speaking of all scripture is cherry picking, you want it to be your personal scripture.

In case you hadn't heard--it was the holy God who made the old covenant and the holy God who improved that covenant.

Heb 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

 

[Blik]

Heb 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

This is not God saying sorry folks, I made a terrible mistake when I wrote the old covenant, it is not the truth at all. God doesn't say that. God says that it is obsolete to cut flesh to show circumcision, for the new covenant gave the law in our hearts. As an example.

Under the old covenant God showed spiritual truths through fleshly commands that represented the spirit of the Lord. We are not to use the old covenant any longer, we are to use the improved covenant. That does not mean that we become blind to the old covenant, it means that we see the spiritual meaning of the old covenant.

 

[Dino246]

Yes. Whenever I hear that God does not speak to humankind but only to Israel, it rings of falsehood.

I didn't say anything of the sort. You are changing the subject. Read more carefully.

 

[Dino246]

In case you hadn't heard--it was the holy God who made the old covenant and the holy God who improved that covenant.

You have heard: God did not "improve" the old covenant; He REPLACED it. You have heard it repeatedly, and still you reject it.

 

[Dino246]

I think the law given to Moses was given by a God who only speaks truth, and truth is not selective of race.

God was selective of race, whether you like it or not. He specifically chose Israel for Himself. He had a purpose in selecting Israel and He fulfilled His purposes through them. He had a purpose for the law and He fulfilled His purposes in the law.

Do you think the law given to Moses was not the truth?

You're making a category error.

 

[Dino246]

Scripture tells us God is eternal, that God is the same always. That would mean that the law given to us in stone is the same law as the law given to us in our hearts.

That's called a non sequitur, which means "it does not follow". That God is unchanging does not require that the law given to ancient Israel is the same law written on our hearts. It is not written on the Christian's heart to stone adulterers.

 

[ewq1938]

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law- Galatians 3:13

the law entangles with the yoke of bondage- Galatians 5:1

if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law - Galatians 5:18

the strength of sin is the law- 1 Corinthians 15:56

the law worketh wrath- Romans 4:15

we are not under the law- Romans 6:15

ye also are become dead to the law - Romans 7:4

we are delivered from the law- Romans 7:6

we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter- Romans 7:6

Jesus made us free from the law of sin and death- Romans 8:2

 

[Gardenias]

You say God speaks truth, then you qualify it by saying God picked Abraham to give that truth to. You say God is truth, and then you turn around and say God gave the law to only a few people. I speak for all scripture, but you say speaking of all scripture is cherry picking, you want it to be your personal scripture.

In case you hadn't heard--it was the holy God who made the old covenant and the holy God who improved that covenant.

Oh but I have heard,from Gen. to Rev. IS his holy,inspired word.
Nothing I've stated is contradictory!

Lol you are too funny!

Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God who became flesh and dwelt among men?

Do you believe that he was crucified nailing the Mosiac law and sins to the cross?

In doing so he paid our redemption price (bc of the law) to give us also( Gentiles) a way to have a relationship with the Father. Do you believe this?


I've noticed YOU NEVER ANSWER QUESTIONS!

The whole word of God under the Holy Spirit can be applicable to believers!

@96 I think I'd do some rethinking!

 

[Gardenias]

I'M DONE!

 

[SophieT]

This tells us that when we listen to Jesus about how to live within the kingdom of heaven as our home rather than the kingdoms of the world as our home we are being a part of something so wonderful that the best we can do is only a shadow of that wonder.

As Psalm 119 shows us, it is the law that guides us to the kingdom of heaven. It frees us from the bindings that living with sin brings.

no such thing

this is the main thing we learn from that passage:

the reality is Christ. the law is a shadow of what was to come

further, this is not the words of Jesus, but instructions in the letter to the Colossians

stop making things up to suit your own beliefs

the law does not guide into heaven

do you believe Christ died for your sins? if so, Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. NO ONE enters heaven except through Him

if you say otherwise, you are in error

 

[SophieT]

Yes. Whenever I hear that God does not speak to humankind but only to Israel, it rings of falsehood. I do not see how there can be any truth in such an idea. God wanted Israel to illustrate God to the heaven gentiles and God wouldn't do that by teaching what wasn't of truth to them.

you have a very faulty understanding of what others are posting here.

we have the entire New Testament wherein God is speaking to us. we have the words of Jesus in the gospels

it seems you prefer Moses over Jesus