Gods Standard of Righteousness

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justbyfaith said:
I told her that I would pray for her and she said that she is already healed.

Isa 65:24, And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

If you were able to heal her, you should have simply done so; that would have been the loving thing to do.

As it is, you lost out on a reward because she is now healed through someone else's (my) prayer's.
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If she is still going to the doctor for treatments and taking medication is she healed?
Yes or no?
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Your going to help us?

Jesus did come to fulfill the law

He did not destroy the law. Whoever has not come to christ is STILL cursed by the law.
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Now, sin is the transgression of the law; and I would venture to say that it is reasonable to say that sin is iniquity.

Therefore, iniquity is the transgression of the law (while iniquity, by definition, goes deeper than that).

Now, consider.

Mat 7:23, And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 25:41, Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mat 13:41, The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42, And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Jesus came to save His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21) and to redeem us from all iniquity (Titus 2:14).

Those who have not been redeemed from sin (see Romans 6:22) are still cursed by the law because they fail to obey it; and therefore it condemns them.

Those who are forgiven and justified through Jesus' blood are counted as unshakably righteous even if they blow it (Romans 4:5).

The exhortation from that point is to go and live like their new identity (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).

So, there is a practical outworking to imputed righteousness; wherein righteousness is also imparted to the one to whom it has been imputed (again, 1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Yep

again, No pride.

Just like your buddy, as I said before.

You have failed because what you will not listen and interact. You think your right, and no one is going to convince you otherwise.

You claim we mock you. yet you mock others.

What is it with legalistic people that come into christian chat that think they are going to school anyone, then pop an attitude when people actually want to discuss the word with them?
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You have now pointed two fingers at other people saying that you think that they have pride.

Yet you do not understand that you now have six fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

The reality is, we often see our own sins, magnified, in others; even when those others are not guilty of the sins that we see in them.
 
justbyfaith said:
Why don't you ask her?

I didn't ask her any of those questions; I simply took her word for it.
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Also, if she hasn't been healed by me, I would say that it is your turn.

It would be remiss for you not to heal her if you know that you are able to do so.

In fact, if you have the power to heal her, you have a responsibility to do it.
 
justbyfaith said:
I am not dodging anything. I simply don't know the answer to your question.

She knows the answer; and you can ask her just as easily as I can.
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You are telling me that you do not know if someone that is going to the doctor
for treatments and taking medication for an illness if they are healed or not?

Is that what you are saying to me?
 
justbyfaith said:
Now, sin is the transgression of the law; and I would venture to say that it is reasonable to say that sin is iniquity.

Therefore, iniquity is the transgression of the law (while iniquity, by definition, goes deeper than that).

Now, consider.

Mat 7:23, And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 25:41, Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mat 13:41, The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42, And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Jesus came to save His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21) and to redeem us from all iniquity (Titus 2:14).

Those who have not been redeemed from sin (see Romans 6:22) are still cursed by the law because they fail to obey it; and therefore it condemns them.

Those who are forgiven and justified through Jesus' blood are counted as unshakably righteous even if they blow it (Romans 4:5).

The exhortation from that point is to go and live like their new identity (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).

So, there is a practical outworking to imputed righteousness; wherein righteousness is also imparted to the one to whom it has been imputed (again, 1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).
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Yep, Jesus work to save from sin/save us from doing sin, by send a Holy Spirit to train us to have ability to doing Holy
 
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peachyking said:
You are telling me that you do not know if someone that is going to the doctor
for treatments and taking medication for an illness if they are healed or not?

Is that what you are saying to me?
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I am saying that she has proclaimed to me that she is healed; and I believe her.

She did not tell me whether she was still going to a doctor or not.

I assume that if she is healed, she doesn't need to.

But some people still go to the doctor even though they are healed.

There is always the possibility of a relapse; so I believe it is wise to stay under the care of a doctor even after one is healed.
 
Personally, I take medicine for something that I believe that I am healed of.

My family does not believe that I am healed, so they force me to take the medicine.

The scripture is therefore pertinent,

Hos 11:3, I taught Ephraim also to go, taking them by their arms; but they knew not that I healed them.

My family believes that the medicine that I take helps me with my "illness".

So, I have no symptoms, in their view because I am taking the medicine.

I believe that I would not have symptoms without medicine.

But because they force me to take the medicine, there is no way of knowing what my situation would be without it.

So, I walk as one who is healed by the medicine. So, God does not get the glory of a direct healing in my life.

He gets the glory for indirectly healing me through the medicine for as long as I take it.

I give Him the glory for healing me apart from the medicine.

It is my prayer, every night, that He would transmute the medicine so that it would not be pharmakeia, as He transmuted the water into wine.

Because I believe that it might even be easier for Him to do that, than that the system would be motivated to let go of me.
 
justbyfaith said:
You believe that the "law of sin and death" is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16); I don't.
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No, that is what YOU believe.

YOU believe it is the 10 commandments, the law of sin and death, that is written on the hearts and minds of Gods People.

Not me.

I KNOW what is written on the hearts and minds of Gods People. It ISN'T the 10 commandments.
 
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Grandpa said:
No, that is what YOU believe.

YOU believe it is the 10 commandments, the law of sin and death, that is written on the hearts and minds of Gods People.

Not me.

I KNOW what is written on the hearts and minds of Gods People. It ISN'T the 10 commandments.
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Scripture?

The ten commandments are indeed written on the hearts and minds of those who are under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6, 1 Corinthians 9:21).

Therefore they are not the law of sin and death.

Otherwise the law of sin and death is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers.

The scriptures I have referenced above do in fact show forth the reality of what I am saying by them. I would encourage you to read them one by one before responding again.
 
justbyfaith said:
Scripture?

The ten commandments are indeed written on the hearts and minds of those who are under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6, 1 Corinthians 9:21).

Therefore they are not the law of sin and death.

Otherwise the law of sin and death is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers.

The scriptures I have referenced above do in fact show forth the reality of what I am saying by them. I would encourage you to read them one by one before responding again.
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The 10 commandments are NOT what is written on the hearts and minds of those under the New Covenant.

Gods Law is what is written on the hearts and minds of His People.

The 10 commandments are commanding people to be like God. But they are not literally Gods Law.

Gods Law is described in Galatians 5:22-23.
 
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Grandpa said:
The 10 commandments are NOT what is written on the hearts and minds of those under the New Covenant.

Gods Law is what is written on the hearts and minds of His People.

The 10 commandments are commanding people to be like God. But they are not literally Gods Law.

Gods Law is described in Galatians 5:22-23.
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The ten commandments are indeed God's law (as it was given to Moses);

While I will not deny that the law as it has been changed within the new priesthood according to Melchizedec (Hebrews 7:12) is found in Galatians 5:16-24.
 
justbyfaith said:
The ten commandments are indeed God's law (as it was given to Moses);

While I will not deny that the law as it has been changed within the new priesthood according to Melchizedec (Hebrews 7:12) is found in Galatians 5:16-24.
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If the 10 commandments are written on the hearts of the New Covenant people, then how come they are not resting on saturdays?

How come Hebrews 4 was written? Acts 15? Galatians? 2 Corinthians 3?
 
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Grandpa said:
If the 10 commandments are written on the hearts of the New Covenant people, then how come they are not resting on saturdays?

How come Hebrews 4 was written? Acts 15? Galatians? 2 Corinthians 3?
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Because it is not the letter that we are bound to; but rather we are set free to obey the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6).

The spirit of the sabbath day law is found in Matthew 11:28-30.
 
Grandpa said:
If the 10 commandments are written on the hearts of the New Covenant people, then how come they are not resting on saturdays?

How come Hebrews 4 was written? Acts 15? Galatians? 2 Corinthians 3?
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Please notice how, if a person avoids living according to the vices in Galatians 5:19-21, and lives according to the virtues found in Galatians 5:22-23, that they will become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom. Living according to those vices will result in a violation of the law every single time; and living according to those virtues will result in being obedient to the law every single time.
 
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