What did Jesus say about HIMSELF?

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Wrong assumption.
All the sons of God were there! (Job 38)
I have no idea what you are talking about. The verses I supplied are not that hard to comprehend and are straight forward as to the intent and meaning. Job 38 makes absolutely no mention of 'sons of God'.
 
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Wrong AGAIN!

Job 38: 6-Whereupon were the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner-stone thereof,
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
 

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Wrong assumption.
All the sons of God were there! (Job 38)
But it's your assumption that is wrong--it says that while God was doing His work of creation the morning stars sang together--they had no part in creation, however, Jesus the Word, God,the Father, and the Holy Spirit did work together to create the universe and its inhabitants. We are also three in one: body, soul, and spirit.

“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7 while the morning stars sang together

and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?
 
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Yeshua claimed to be the messiah.

John 4:
25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”
 
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As I've said SEVERAL TIMES, I KNOW you teach that Jesus never died!
Do you beleive the Scripture - 1 Peter 3:18

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.

YES or NO
 
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Do you beleive the Scripture - 1 Peter 3:18

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.

YES or NO
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The games people play! YES!
He wasn't made alive by the spirit until the 3rd day.

You believe this- YES or NO?
 
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Those that are humble and meek as questions, not making wild assumptions!

Why do you reject Scripture and make wild assumptions against the Truth???

Isaiah 43

For I am the LORD your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;


You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“and My servant whom I have chosen,

I, yes I, am the LORD,
and there is no Savior but Me.


There is only One Yehovah, One Savior - not two

JESUS is Yehovah and always was Yehovah and was always with the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT

But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you,
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you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

i am a true witness of Yehovah for i bear witness to the only Savior - JESUS CHRIST the LORD

Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12
 
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Why do you reject Scripture and make wild assumptions against the Truth???

Isaiah 43

For I am the LORD your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;


You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“and My servant whom I have chosen,


I, yes I, am the LORD,
and there is no Savior but Me.


There is only One Yehovah, One Savior - not two

JESUS is Yehovah and always was Yehovah and was always with the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT

But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you,
and
you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

i am a true witness of Yehovah for i bear witness to the only Savior - JESUS CHRIST the LORD

Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12
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Will you answer my QUESTION- I answered YOUR'S!
 
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The games people play! YES!
He wasn't made alive by the spirit until the 3rd day.

You believe this- YES or NO?
Only his physical body died, the man Jesus, not His Spirit which HE went to preach to the spirits in prison.

Do you understand that when a person dies, only their physical body returns to the earth and not their spirit/soul?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS???

Read Luke 16:19-31

Get back to me because, per your request, i am asking you a very important question - THANK YOU FRIEND
 

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Nice of you to Judge me!
You are in error if you are basing your beliefs on the New World Translation which has many parts not translated from the original language but rather changed to fit the narrative of the JW. According to their beliefs Jesus was not God but rather 'a god'. which would render Him impotent. You need to rely on a reliable translation or version if you want to really know who Jesus is.
 
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Will you answer my QUESTION- I answered YOUR'S!
His physical body was resurrected from the grave where it went when HE released His Spirit from it on the cross.

Yehovah never died for HE is eternal - but the body HE was in when HE walked this earth experienced death - the body only.

His soul experienced the suffering of death - but a soul/spirit itself never dies.
 
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You are in error if you are basing your beliefs on the New World Translation which has many parts not translated from the original language but rather changed to fit the narrative of the JW. According to their beliefs Jesus was not God but rather 'a god'. which would render Him impotent. You need to rely on a reliable translation or version if you want to really know who Jesus is.
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I NEVER quote the NWT- even tho superior. Why'd you mention that?
 
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His physical body was resurrected from the grave where it went when HE released His Spirit from it on the cross.

Yehovah never died for HE is eternal - but the body HE was in when HE walked this earth experienced death - the body only.

His soul experienced the suffering of death - but a soul/spirit itself never dies.
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Wrong again and again!

Gen 2:7-
Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

And Adam, as a soul DIED- contrary to Satan and Organized Religion.
 

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I NEVER quote the NWT- even tho superior. Why'd you mention that?
I based it on how you are portraying Jesus, which, it seems to me, that you don't believe that Jesus was God, but rather 'a god'. Forgive me if my misunderstood what you believe on this most important spiritual truth. Regardless, the NWT is not superior but something that the Watchtower Society threw together to fit their narrative. This book is not the bible and should not be confused with such.
 
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Wrong again and again!

Gen 2:7- Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

And Adam, as a soul DIED- contrary to Satan and Organized Religion.
You do not understand the English language?

A.) Man was made from the dust of the ground (physical body)

B) God breathed (spirit) into the the physical body(nostrils) the breath of life (spirit)

C) and man(physical body) became a living soul (breath of the Eternal Spirit God)

Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
 

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The LORD Himself went to preach to the spirits in prison for the LORD HIMSELF is SPIRIT.

Now there was a rich man dressed in purple and fine linen, who lived each day in joyous splendor. And a beggar named Lazarus lay at his gate, covered with sores and longing to be fed with the crumbs that fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

One day the beggar died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. And the rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham from afar, with Lazarus by his side.

So he cried out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. For I am in agony in this fire.’

But Abraham answered, ‘Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things. But now he is comforted here, while you are in agony. And besides all this, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you, so that even those who wish cannot cross from here to you, nor can anyone cross from there to us.’

‘Then I beg you, father,’ he said, ‘send Lazarus to my father’s house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also end up in this place of torment.’

But Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let your brothers listen to them.’

‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone is sent to them from the dead, they will repent.’

Then Abraham said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”

You need to embrace the Scriptural Truth that when a person dies their spirit/soul lives on in either Hades or Heaven.

Have you read Revelation? There you will find the LORD and the spirits of the Saints who have died in Christ.
HI David,

I respectfully disagree--please see again my posting with scriptural support--no one ascends to heaven until the judgment. the dead will 'rise' they will not come down--we do not receive our new bodies until the judgment. We will sleep the sleep of death until Christ's return. Read again the verse regarding spirits in 'prison'--that prison was the flood-- Christ /Holy Spirit spoke thru Noah and preached to the people of Noah's day. Of course once dead there is no possibility of Salvation.
 

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The LORD Himself went to preach to the spirits in prison for the LORD HIMSELF is SPIRIT.

Now there was a rich man dressed in purple and fine linen, who lived each day in joyous splendor. And a beggar named Lazarus lay at his gate, covered with sores and longing to be fed with the crumbs that fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

One day the beggar died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. And the rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham from afar, with Lazarus by his side.

So he cried out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. For I am in agony in this fire.’

But Abraham answered, ‘Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things. But now he is comforted here, while you are in agony. And besides all this, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you, so that even those who wish cannot cross from here to you, nor can anyone cross from there to us.’

‘Then I beg you, father,’ he said, ‘send Lazarus to my father’s house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also end up in this place of torment.’

But Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let your brothers listen to them.’

‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone is sent to them from the dead, they will repent.’

Then Abraham said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”

You need to embrace the Scriptural Truth that when a person dies their spirit/soul lives on in either Hades or Heaven.

Have you read Revelation? There you will find the LORD and the spirits of the Saints who have died in Christ.
Also Jesus said He did not speak to the people without using a parable--so this is a parable. If you think about it, it would not make sense--how is the rich man speaking if he is in agony? If all people since Jesus time got to go to heaven straight away (which would make the judgment pointless) then there would be billions of people on either side. How did they happen to see each other--and then it says there is a great CHASM -- think of the grand canyon--how were they able to speak across it? How would people on the heaven side be able to see people in agony ALL this time--paying a punishment before there was even a judgment? Including their loved ones?

Imagine going to jail and you got punished before you even saw the judge. It is a parable meant for the rich rulers to make a greater spiritual point--it is not an actual account of heaven and 'hades'.
 

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Gen 22:2 . . God said: Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you
love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering
on one of the mountains I will tell you about.

At the time, Abraham had two biological sons: Ishmael and Isaac. However,
when Abraham emancipated Ishmael's mom, the lad lost his status. That's
the way it was back then when a man fathered children with one of his
female slaves. Ishmael remained one of Abraham's biological sons, but in
matters related to God, he was no son at all; and in that situation, the
position of first-born defaulted to Isaac.

Gen 21:14c . . and sent her away.

The phrase "sent her away" is from the Hebrew word shalach (shaw-lakh')
which is a versatile word that can be used of divorce as well as for the
emancipation of slaves.

In other words: Hagar wasn't banished as is commonly assumed; no, she
was set free; and it's very important to nail that down in our thinking
because if Abraham had merely banished Hagar, then her son Ishmael would
have retained his status as Abraham's eldest son.
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