What did Jesus say about HIMSELF?
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• Mark 14:61-62 . . Again the high priest was questioning him, and saying to
him: Are you the Christ, the son of the Blessed?" And Jesus said: I am;
The connection between the Christ (a.k.a. Messiah) and the son of the
Blessed (a.k.a. God) wasn't something new and unusual. The connection
was already well-known; not just among Judaism's elite, but also among
ordinary pew warmers too.
So; how did they know? Who told them that Messiah would be the son of
God rather than just another nondescript son? For example:
"I said: You are all sons of the Most High." (Ps 82:6)
In a nutshell: It was believed that all kings of the Davidic dynasty were each
in their turn the son of God in a special way. For example David (Ps 89:27)
Solomon (2Sam 7:12-14) and all the others (Psalm 2 and Psalm 45)
NOTE: The Hebrew equivalent to Christ is mashiyach (maw-shee'-akh) which
simply means anointed-- i.e. divine appointment to a throne --and isn't
limited to Jewish monarchy, e.g. Cyrus (Isa 45:1)
So then, Jesus admitted that he was indeed the son of God; and by doing so
laid claim to the Davidic monarchy-- not only in the presence of the high
priest, but also commoners and the Roman official governing Israel at that
time.
• John 4:25-26 . .The woman said: I know that Messiah is coming. When he
comes, he will explain everything to us. Then Jesus declared: I, who speaks
with you, am he.
• John 18:37 . . Pilate said: You are a king, then? Jesus answered: You are
right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born.
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• Mark 14:61-62 . . Again the high priest was questioning him, and saying to
him: Are you the Christ, the son of the Blessed?" And Jesus said: I am;
The connection between the Christ (a.k.a. Messiah) and the son of the
Blessed (a.k.a. God) wasn't something new and unusual. The connection
was already well-known; not just among Judaism's elite, but also among
ordinary pew warmers too.
So; how did they know? Who told them that Messiah would be the son of
God rather than just another nondescript son? For example:
"I said: You are all sons of the Most High." (Ps 82:6)
In a nutshell: It was believed that all kings of the Davidic dynasty were each
in their turn the son of God in a special way. For example David (Ps 89:27)
Solomon (2Sam 7:12-14) and all the others (Psalm 2 and Psalm 45)
NOTE: The Hebrew equivalent to Christ is mashiyach (maw-shee'-akh) which
simply means anointed-- i.e. divine appointment to a throne --and isn't
limited to Jewish monarchy, e.g. Cyrus (Isa 45:1)
So then, Jesus admitted that he was indeed the son of God; and by doing so
laid claim to the Davidic monarchy-- not only in the presence of the high
priest, but also commoners and the Roman official governing Israel at that
time.
• John 4:25-26 . .The woman said: I know that Messiah is coming. When he
comes, he will explain everything to us. Then Jesus declared: I, who speaks
with you, am he.
• John 18:37 . . Pilate said: You are a king, then? Jesus answered: You are
right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born.
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Ishmael was not the Seed that God promised to Abraham and Sarah - Isaac is the Seed of Promise.
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
Galatians 4:28-31
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
Galatians 4:28-31
Dear Sister - you disagree not with me but with the word of God.
Please read Luke 16:19 -31
This is NOT a Parable but an actual account given by the Lord for us to know - pray that you may receive it.
Everyone must let go of religious teaching that we were raised in, so that Truth may prevail as "It is written."
i was raised in religion and when the Lord saved me i only sought to be taught by Him through His Word.
So i abandoned all what i was taught and received what is of God from His Word.
If you are willing to do this, you will increase in understanding.
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6
I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19
Please read Luke 16:19 -31
This is NOT a Parable but an actual account given by the Lord for us to know - pray that you may receive it.
Everyone must let go of religious teaching that we were raised in, so that Truth may prevail as "It is written."
i was raised in religion and when the Lord saved me i only sought to be taught by Him through His Word.
So i abandoned all what i was taught and received what is of God from His Word.
If you are willing to do this, you will increase in understanding.
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6
I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19
Yes, I agree--and praise God, I have let go of the false teaching I was raised with-- such as people going to straight to heaven when they die--when the bible says clearly no one has ascended but Jesus and the dead are raised at Jesus Second Coming; that they are all now asleep in their graves until then. And oddly, teaching that only one of Jesus many parables is a true story. I discovered these teachings were false quite easily by simply by taking off the denominational lens of the church I was raised in and reading the scriptures for myself.
"'Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable' (Mt 13:34)
The story of the “rich man and Lazarus” is told by Jesus in Luke 16:19–31. It is often cited by Christians as definitive proof that people go straight to either heaven or hell when they die. But is the purpose of this story to give us an actual glimpse into the afterlife—or does it serve a different purpose entirely?
Here are five reasons we can know that the story of the rich man and Lazarus is not meant to be taken literally.
1. It’s comes in a list of parables. The Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary defines “parable” as “a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle.” The story of the rich man and Lazarus comes at the end of a string of parables filled with symbolic, non-literal illustrations (see Luke 15). For instance, in the parable of the lost sheep, Jesus is certainly not teaching that His followers have four legs or eat grass; it’s all metaphor for a greater spiritual point.
2. It contains an impossible conversation. The parable portrays the rich man in “Hades” speaking directly to Lazarus in “Abraham’s bosom.” Can people in heaven have conversations with people in hell? For that matter, do people in heaven really watch people burning in hell? Not according to Jesus, who describes a “great gulf fixed” between the saved and the lost (Luke 16:26).
3. It uses clear symbolic imagery. The rich man wants Abraham to send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool his tongue (verse 24). This must be symbolic—because it can’t possibly happen physically. How much water could pass through the flames, and what help would it provide someone suffering in hell?
4. It uses figurative expressions. Do the people who died with faith in Christ find their rest in Abraham’s literal bosom? How big is Abraham’s bosom? This must be a figurative expression, for we know that angels will gather the saints at the second coming of Christ (see Matthew 24:30, 31).
5. It would otherwise contradict the rest of Scripture. If this story were literal, it would be hard to explain why the Bible says “in death there is no remembrance” (Psalm 6:5). Instead, those who die are asleep in the grave awaiting resurrection (1 Thessalonians 4:15, 16). The Bible compares death to sleep over 50 times. See one example by Jesus in John 11:11–14.
Luke 16:19-31 is not a Parable and you clearly are in error by quoting Matt 13:34 to support your error.
So you can stay as you are and your understanding will not progress beyond this point
BUT, if you want to think about Matt 13:34 and how it does not apply to everything Jesus spoke - then you begin to find the Truth of Luke 16:19-31 and the CLEAR passages of Scripture in Revelation as well as the Apostle Paul clearly stating that to put off the body is to go directly to the LORD.
Please review Posts 206, 210, 213, 217
So you can stay as you are and your understanding will not progress beyond this point
BUT, if you want to think about Matt 13:34 and how it does not apply to everything Jesus spoke - then you begin to find the Truth of Luke 16:19-31 and the CLEAR passages of Scripture in Revelation as well as the Apostle Paul clearly stating that to put off the body is to go directly to the LORD.
Please review Posts 206, 210, 213, 217
David,
Could you please re-read your two last postings--you actually said I was disagreeing with GOD and not you. And you go on to say "your understanding will not progress beyond this point."
Hmm. Do you realize how arrogant that sounds? Humility is one of the marks of a true Christian--perhaps it is the other way around. Perhaps YOU will not move further along in your understanding--since you like the Pharisees believe you 'See'.
Also if you go back and read the PARABLE it is grouped with several other parables. Again Matthew stated that Jesus DID NOT speak to the people without a parable--and repeated that statement, therefore the story of the beggar and the rich man is a parable.
And please do not isolate verses--that is exactly how false doctrines come about--that is not the way to go about the study of Scriptures--to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord does not mean we go immediately to heaven since that cannot happen until Christ's Second Coming--the dead in Christ shall be raised first. There is no time passage of time when a person is dead, it happens in the twinkling of an eye--when we awake it is a mere blink--it will be immediate for the dead person even if thousands of years have passed!
Could you please re-read your two last postings--you actually said I was disagreeing with GOD and not you. And you go on to say "your understanding will not progress beyond this point."
Hmm. Do you realize how arrogant that sounds? Humility is one of the marks of a true Christian--perhaps it is the other way around. Perhaps YOU will not move further along in your understanding--since you like the Pharisees believe you 'See'.
Also if you go back and read the PARABLE it is grouped with several other parables. Again Matthew stated that Jesus DID NOT speak to the people without a parable--and repeated that statement, therefore the story of the beggar and the rich man is a parable.
And please do not isolate verses--that is exactly how false doctrines come about--that is not the way to go about the study of Scriptures--to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord does not mean we go immediately to heaven since that cannot happen until Christ's Second Coming--the dead in Christ shall be raised first. There is no time passage of time when a person is dead, it happens in the twinkling of an eye--when we awake it is a mere blink--it will be immediate for the dead person even if thousands of years have passed!
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Updated June 25, 2019
Jesus Christ is called the Son of God more than 40 times in the Bible. What does that title mean exactly, and what significance does it have for people today?
First, the term does not mean Jesus was the literal offspring of God the Father, as each of us is the child of our human father. The Christian doctrine of the Trinity says the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are co-equal and co-eternal, meaning the three Persons of the one God always existed together and each has the same importance.
Second, it does not mean God the Father mated with the Virgin Mary and fathered Jesus in that way. The Bible tells us Jesus was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. It was a miraculous, virgin birth.
Third, the term Son of God as applied to Jesus is unique. It does not mean he was a child of God, as Christians are when they're adopted into God's family. Rather, it points out his divinity, meaning he is God.
In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
Elohim is plural not singular....
Jesus was also called the lamb of God ....was he a lamb?
Jesus also shared the title of son of man..
Jesus was known as jesus of Nazareth....he was born in Bethlehem.
Jesus was also called son of david.....was he David's son?
He is also referred as THE KING OF KINGS AND THE LORD OF LORDS.
PAUL HARVEY...AAAAAAA GOOD DAY
Jack Zavada
Updated June 25, 2019
Jesus Christ is called the Son of God more than 40 times in the Bible. What does that title mean exactly, and what significance does it have for people today?
First, the term does not mean Jesus was the literal offspring of God the Father, as each of us is the child of our human father. The Christian doctrine of the Trinity says the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are co-equal and co-eternal, meaning the three Persons of the one God always existed together and each has the same importance.
Second, it does not mean God the Father mated with the Virgin Mary and fathered Jesus in that way. The Bible tells us Jesus was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. It was a miraculous, virgin birth.
Third, the term Son of God as applied to Jesus is unique. It does not mean he was a child of God, as Christians are when they're adopted into God's family. Rather, it points out his divinity, meaning he is God.
In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
Elohim is plural not singular....
Jesus was also called the lamb of God ....was he a lamb?
Jesus also shared the title of son of man..
Jesus was known as jesus of Nazareth....he was born in Bethlehem.
Jesus was also called son of david.....was he David's son?
He is also referred as THE KING OF KINGS AND THE LORD OF LORDS.
PAUL HARVEY...AAAAAAA GOOD DAY
I find it very disturbing that you quote the word of God out of context and not even fully. To do so you must start earlier in the chapter at verse 33
John 18:33-37 says :
33 Then Pilate entered the Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?”
34 Jesus answered him, “Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?”
35 Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?”
36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”
37 Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”
Jesus very clearly says He is a KING but not of the earthly type made by men. "My kingdom is not from here".
This is nothing but an attack on the truth of Jesus saying he was God. the word Lord means Supreme Authority and it is in context to being God.
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