What did Jesus say about HIMSELF?

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I am associated with no Kingdom Hall, nor Church.
Just an old man (70) at the keyboard typing!

But then, where did you get your theology from? Do you call yourself a Christian? If so how can you since the foundation is that God becoming flesh and died in our place--we repent and believe on Him and we receive eternal life, also the gift of eternal life and a personal relationship with Him. Do you believe this?
 

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Re: What Did Jesus Say About Himself?

John 11:25 . . I am the resurrection.

People who make the cut for a bodily Christian resurrection will be immortal.
(1Cor 15:51-54)


However; at the time Jesus made that statement, he wasn't yet risen from
the dead, i.e. Jesus wasn't immortal. We can be sure of that because had he
been, then it would've been very difficult for the Romans to execute him on
the cross. Jesus is immortal now (Rom 6:9 and 1Tim 6:16) but he wasn't
then.


So; there's apparently more to the resurrection that Jesus spoke of than
immortality because the grammatical tense of his statement is present tense
rather than future; indicating he was the resurrection right then.


When Jesus was here, he was not only a human being with human life, but
he was also a human being with eternal life.


John 5:26-27 . . For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted
the Son to have life in himself.


That very same eternal life is available right now, no delay and no waiting
period.


John 5:24-25 . . I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes
Him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed
over from death to life. I tell you the truth; a time is coming, and has now
come, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who
hear will live.


So: a rough-hewn description of a Christian is someone that's a human
being with human life while simultaneously a human being with eternal life:
same as Jesus was, and still is.


But there's a catch. People cannot have eternal life a la carte as it can only
be had by having Christ too seeing as he is, in some mysterious way, the
very existence of eternal life even as his Father is the very existence of
eternal life.


1John 1:1-2 . . That which was from the beginning, which we have heard,
which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands
have touched-this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life
appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the
eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.


1John 5:11-12 . . God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His son.
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does
not have the life.


NOTE: According to John 5:24-25 and 1John 5:11-2, people lacking eternal
life are not only dead on the hoof, but neither do they have God's son; which
is a very grave situation because according to Rom 8:9, folks lacking God's
son are outsiders, viz: they are not his sheep.
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I"m not sure what point your trying to make Webers as it isn't clear. In a sentence would you be able to explain your point? For instance this:
"But there's a catch. People cannot have eternal life a la carte as it can only
be had by having Christ too seeing as he is, in some mysterious way, the
very existence of eternal life even as his Father is the very existence of

eternal life."
 
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What's astounding is I've already explained what that verse means! You are seriously flawed in your theology, since,

1. You would have to believe in a place of fiery torment --or purgatory (only believers receive eternal life, not unbelievers)

But Scripture says:
  • "But transgressors will be altogether destroyed; The posterity of the wicked will be cut off." --Psalm 37: 38
  • "The wages of sin is death."--Romans 6:23
  • "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."--John 3:16

2. You would have to believe that we do not ALL face the judgment.

But Scripture says:

  • "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad."--2nd Corinthians 5:10


3. You don't believe the scripture that says

  • "It is appointed once to die, and then the judgment."

4. You have to believe that somehow people are still alive whether in body or spirit after they die, even though Scripture plainly says otherwise.

"Look on me and answer, LORD my God. Give light to my eyes, or I will sleep in death,"--Psalm 13:3

"After he had said this, he went on to tell them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up."12His disciples replied, "Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better."13Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.14So then he told them plainly, "Lazarus is dead,"--John 11:12-14


  • "But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope."-- 1 Thessalonians 4:13
  • "For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep."--- 1 Thessalonians 4:14

  • "Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep."--1 Corinthians 15:6
  • More list of sleep in death verses here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/fall_asleep_in_death

  • Again--you are simply speaking from what you've been taught in your denomination rather than studying the scriptures as the Bereans did to see if what you've been taught is the Truth. It would take a matter of minutes to search thru the scripture to see that you believe and preach a lie. Note too, that you don't have any verses to support what you are saying. You spend more time telling people they are wrong than actually seeing if you might be the one who is wrong.
your words = "What's astounding is I've already explained what that verse means!"

OK - got it

LOL x 1000
 

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The origins of the doctrine of the “immortality of the soul”
We have seen in the article: “Resurrection or life immediately after the death?” that the Bible clearly and unanimously presents the dead as sleeping and having no consciousness. Just to give again some of the related passages:

Daniel 12:2 says:
“And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”

Everlasting life starts not with death but with the resurrection! Till then those who have died are presented as “sleeping in the dust of the earth”. See that God did not tell Daniel “and many of them whose souls are now in heaven”.

Same also with Paul: when speaking to the Thessalonians about the dead and the hope we have in the resurrection he spoke about those “sleeping”: In every verse of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 he mentions the dead. See the terms that he uses:

1 Thessalonians 4:13-16
“But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:”

Paul’s hope, the hope that God gave to us in his Word has only one name: resurrection. Sometime between now and the resurrection some of us, perhaps all (depending on when the Lord will come – this time nobody knows), will die. We will not then enter into a blissful state in heaven or in paradise. Instead we will be sleeping. Where? In the dust of the ground, or as it is usually called in the Word “Sheol” or “Hades”, the gravedom ). This is the simple and easy to grasp truth of the Word of God.

https://www.jba.gr/The-origins-of-the-doctrine-of-the-immortality-of-the-soul.htm

Something we agree on! The false doctrine of the Immortality of the Soul has it's roots in paganism--the Roman Catholics got it from them and the Protestants got it from the Roman Catholics--However, how it continues on in our mainstream churches since it clearly is a false and blasphemous doctrine is beyond me "God alone is immortal" Believers as clearly spelled out in scripture DO NOT receive immortality UNTIL the resurrection at Christ's Second Coming and Judgment of ALL!

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil."--2 Corinthians 5:10

We cannot be in God's presence WITHOUT our new spiritual body and the idea that it is the spirit that goes up to heaven is ridiculous. Truly and absolutely ridiculous--that anyone can bypass the judgment is a "doctrine of demons" that is spoken of in Scripture.
 
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Something we agree on! The false doctrine of the Immortality of the Soul has it's roots in paganism--the Roman Catholics got it from them and the Protestants got it from the Roman Catholics--However, how it continues on in our mainstream churches since it clearly is a false and blasphemous doctrine is beyond me "God alone is immortal" Believers as clearly spelled out in scripture DO NOT receive immortality UNTIL the resurrection at Christ's Second Coming and Judgment of ALL!

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil."--2 Corinthians 5:10

We cannot be in God's presence WITHOUT our new spiritual body and the idea that it is the spirit that goes up to heaven is ridiculous. Truly and absolutely ridiculous--that anyone can bypass the judgment is a "doctrine of demons" that is spoken of in Scripture.
It's nice we can agree on SOMETHING!
 

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your words = "What's astounding is I've already explained what that verse means!"

OK - got it

LOL x 1000
This response shows plainly your immaturity, David--and your pride. I've proven you wrong with SCRIPTURE and you have nothing to refute it with except an attack on me.

Ad hominem: argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

ALL fanaticism comes from the isolation of scriptures. And I'll add to that, not carefully studying scripture for yourself.
 
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This response shows plainly your immaturity, David--and your pride. I've proven you wrong with SCRIPTURE and you have nothing to refute it with except an attack on me.

Ad hominem: argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

ALL fanaticism comes from the isolation of scriptures. And I'll add to that, not carefully studying scripture for yourself.
i'm such a sinner - please forgive me and when you write your book on truth, please send me a copy.

Crazy Crazy
don't call me lazy
His Truth found me
not to be lazy
i received His Word
and believed what i heard
never add or take away
for pride will slay

religion is for the dungeon
i had my share
not a good place to be
i would not dare
every word brings life
and cuts like a knife
removing the foreskin
of religion
 

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The Jesus DIED. (God didn't)
He did not take the thief to heaven, and did not preach to those in 'Hell'.
VERY GOOD!
IBG,

I'm not sure what you mean--Jesus said He was in the Father and the Father was in Him. You are right that the Son died as a man, not the Father. But what is your point? I still feel confused where you stand. God said in the old testament when asked His name,

God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”--Exodus 3:14

"Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”--John 8:58
 

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i'm such a sinner - please forgive me and when you write your book on truth, please send me a copy.

Crazy Crazy
don't call me lazy
His Truth found me
not to be lazy
i received His Word
and believed what i heard
never add or take away
for pride will slay < I agree!

religion is for the dungeon < yet you still preach fables taught by some denomination, which are antithetical to the scriptures.
i had my share
not a good place to be
i would not dare
every word brings life
and cuts like a knife
removing the foreskin
of religion
A nice poem--however,

Your sarcasm saying you are "such a sinner"--shows me you actually mean the opposite. "Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."--John 9:41
 

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Most people believe him God. Many people that he was sent by God, his life beginning when he was born.
A few that he was in Heaven before being made human.

Why don't we listen to HIS words before our pre-conceived ideas?
his claims about himself are fulfillment of the prophecies beforehand to understand what he was saying of himself one needs to hear and acknowledge the prophets

Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.

Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.

Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

I am the Lord, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:8-11, 13, 15, 18-19‬ ‭KJV‬

When you read prophecy like this you begin to realize what exactly Jesus eas saying about himself then the epistles make it concrete

“And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There is one Lord and he’s always been speaking of himself so man would know him when he came
 
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A nice poem--however,

Your sarcasm saying you are "such a sinner"--shows me you actually mean the opposite. "Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."--John 9:41
Oh my, Oh my
what will i do
will i die?
not here and not now
though some may try
No, i will not die
His Blood did arrest
and i do attest
i Rest in His Best

sinner sinner
your no winner
time to come Home
He made us dinner
not to stew or to simmer
but to a New Life
with a New Glimmer
 
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IBG,

I'm not sure what you mean--Jesus said He was in the Father and the Father was in Him. You are right that the Son died as a man, not the Father. But what is your point? I still feel confused where you stand. God said in the old testament when asked His name,

God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”--Exodus 3:14

"Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”--John 8:58
You paid no attention. Go back and read.
 
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his claims about himself are fulfillment of the prophecies beforehand to understand what he was saying of himself one needs to hear and acknowledge the prophets

Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.

Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.

Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

I am the Lord, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:8-11, 13, 15, 18-19‬ ‭KJV‬

When you read prophecy like this you begin to realize what exactly Jesus eas saying about himself then the epistles make it concrete

“And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There is one Lord and he’s always been speaking of himself so man would know him when he came
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Wrong spin on scripture.
But there is one "Lord" to US, but what about HIS Lord?
Do you honor HIM?
 
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his claims about himself are fulfillment of the prophecies beforehand to understand what he was saying of himself one needs to hear and acknowledge the prophets

Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.

Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.

Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

I am the Lord, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:8-11, 13, 15, 18-19‬ ‭KJV‬

When you read prophecy like this you begin to realize what exactly Jesus eas saying about himself then the epistles make it concrete

“And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There is one Lord and he’s always been speaking of himself so man would know him when he came
You said: "his claims about himself are fulfillment of the prophecies beforehand to understand what he was saying of himself one needs to hear and acknowledge the prophets"

If HE is the Word, and HE is, how could it be any other way...........

What JW's and others reject thru unbelief is the Eternal Theme from Genesis to Revelation.

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:7

Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you withhold forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld.” John 20:21-23

Also He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live.” ’ ” So I prophesied as He commanded me, and breath came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army.

The LORD says: I AM the Resurrection and the LIFE - John 11:25
 

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A discussion about what Jesus said about HIMSELF turns into a heated denominational witch hunt!
IBG,

Unfortunately, the first sin man was tempted with "And you will be like God knowing good from evil" .

I believe, Christians should stand firmly on the Word of God and defend it. However on every forum without exception we seem to come to fisticuffs, rather than matter-of-factly stating our positions (vs opinions), since it is God who opens men's hearts and the Holy Spirit who reveals truth, we are merely the conveyance--some of us more reliable conveyances than others; some an ox drawn cart, with rickety wheels, others chariots of iron--and others in between. What's curious is those less versed in scripture seem to have more faith in their being right!:unsure:
 

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Re: What Did Jesus Say About Himself?

The 10th chapter of John begins with what appears to be a community
stockyard where large numbers of sheep from all over are penned when they
aren't out to pasture; probably during winter when grasses might be scarce.

It also appears that more than one shepherd is keeping sheep there; and
then in Spring, when the weather begins warming and grasses are greening
up, the shepherds come to round up their flocks and move them out to
pasture.

One of the shepherds in this story stands out. He apparently has a vested
interest in his sheep because he bought and paid for them out of his own
pocket whereas the other shepherds are seasonal wranglers, i.e. employees.

The exceptional shepherd in the story is personal with his sheep, and has
even given each individual head a pet name; and the sheep have somehow
memorized their own names, which makes it easier for Mr.Exceptional to cull
his sheep from the stockyard without inadvertently taking another man's
sheep by mistake.

Mr.Exceptional's sheep not only know their own names, but they are familiar
enough with the timbre of his voice to recognize it from among all the other
shepherds. This suggests to me that this particular shepherd continually
communes with his sheep along the trail to pasture and also when they're
settled down for the night too. I wouldn't be surprised if he sang to his
sheep like cowboys sometimes do to calm the nerves of the cattle under
their care.

Then the scene shifts to the outdoors, a ways off from the stockyard. The
sheep are bedded down for the night under circumstances where the only
way that predators can get to the sheep is past Mr.Exceptional himself, i.e.
over his dead body, so to speak. The location could be a cave, or a small box
canyon with high walls: anything would do just so long as there is only one
way in and one way out.

John 10:11 . . I am the good shepherd. A good shepherd lays down his life
for the sheep.

The thing to note is that the quality of Mr.Exceptional's dedication, his
competency, and his reliability is so high that he can confidently guarantee
that any, and every, sheep seeking shelter in his stronghold is 110% safe
from all alarm.

John 10:9 . . I am the gate. Whoever enters through me will be saved

Were Mr.Exceptional a so-so shepherd; then he wouldn't dare say "will be"
saved; no, he'd have to tone it down a bit and say "can be" saved. That
would leave him some room for error. But when he says "will be" saved, he's
claiming a 0.0% failure rate. This shepherd is one tough cookie!
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You said: "his claims about himself are fulfillment of the prophecies beforehand to understand what he was saying of himself one needs to hear and acknowledge the prophets"

If HE is the Word, and HE is, how could it be any other way...........

What JW's and others reject thru unbelief is the Eternal Theme from Genesis to Revelation.

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:7

Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you withhold forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld.” John 20:21-23

Also He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live.” ’ ” So I prophesied as He commanded me, and breath came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army.

The LORD says: I AM the Resurrection and the LIFE - John 11:25
yeah that was sort of my point prophecy was spoken by Jesus to prophets and they preached and wrote it down. What the New Testament teaches us is what they were talking about was the gospel and Jesus from the law to the prophets to the epistles it’s about the four gospels and Jesus Christ whomis the fulfillment of his words prior through prophecy God spoke himself into the flesh to be born of a virgin and become mans intercessor because we had no one worthy to intercede so “I Am “ became everything we needed from lawgiver , to priest , to prophet , to sacrifice , to scapegoat to atonement

he even gives us a new spirit and changes our heart through the gospel and making Jesus everything because he himself is the fulfillment of his word through the law and prophets all along all God was saying has now come , and now all he said in Christ is coming and will come in it’s time just as the gospel came when the covenant time was fulfilled

the subject of the focus of the ot prophets was that the messiah would be born of a virgin woman , he would be God manifest in the flesh of a man , he would preach the gospel and word of Gods promised truth , he would do miracles to show his words power and truth , he would give life to those who were held in death , he would intercede for all mankind’s sin. He would love perfectly in the body of a man as a man subject to Gods laws and words and then he would die in this form of the flesh for the laws fulfillment of death upon all sinners

he would then rise from death and send forth his witnesses beginning at Jerusalem into all the nations of the world to fulfill the word spoken way back to Abraham and words would stand forever as long as he lives they would save those who believe and then he would ascend to Gods right hand having been born “ the son of mankind “ because we had to have an intercessor or creation was lost in heaven and earth Jesus redeemed creation and saved us all now what will we do with that understanding ?

my point was that to really understand the New Testament and what it all
Means , we need to delve into the prophets knowing this first


“And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:20-24‬ ‭

there’s Israel’s laws and history in the ot but also hidden is a witness of the gospel and what God was going to do later in Christ the gospel is what all the ot was foretelling that was going to happen later , and then in the gospel there’s a New Testament and also foretelling of what is going to come

one Testament concludes with Christs coming to earth , and the other testament concludes with Christ returning to earth the ot has an explaination hidden within its prophecies and law of the gospel and what the meaning of a lot of the hard to grasp things in the gospel , means

it’s like a loud and clear witness of what things like melchezideks priesthood , sacrifice of atonement , Passover sacrifices , burnt offerings all of those things in the ot teach us what the things in the New Testament really mean and how they apply to us

simply I was saying the Old Testament foretells and explains the new and the new fulfills and reveals the old
 

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Wrong spin on scripture.
But there is one "Lord" to US, but what about HIS Lord?
Do you honor HIM?
oh your one of those folks I see

how is that “ the wrong spin on scripture ?”

I’d need some clarification on that one

and what i do is between Jesus and myself what does that have to do with the post you asked what people thought about ?

there’s no benefit in arguing and having an attitude that creates conflict .

what I was saying was the prophets explain about the New Testament and who Jesus is pretty simple maybe a better example for you

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:

and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6-8

that’s prophecy and then you have fulfillment in the gospel

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

…But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-5, 10, 12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


prophecy makes sense of things in the nt like God being manifest in the flesh of Jesus Christ is what I was saying

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,

justified in the Spirit,

seen of angels,

preached unto the Gentiles,

believed on in the world,

received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬