Is Roman Catholicism Evil?

[Scotth1960]

See, there's the problem. The idea that the Christian religion is based on the Bible is completely false. The inverse is true. The Bible is based on the teachings of the Christian religion. Remember that the first Christians didn't have Bibles easily accessible to them, and indeed, many of the letters and books that comprise the New Testament weren't compiled until years, sometimes decades after they were written. So, right off the bat we have an issue of, if the Christian religion is Bible based, how could there be any Christians prior to the canonization of the Scriptures?

People do err, Holy Tradition is kept free from error though through the grace of the Holy Spirit. The Bible is a product of Holy Tradition and the Christian Church. Taking it out of the proper context and you find confusion. Thus we see people here debating on things like, infant baptism, is baptism immersion only, do you baptize in the Trinity or in Jesus' name, is baptism symbolic or does it really cleanse our soul, etc... If the Scripture is so clear as you claim, then why are there so many instances where good men and women who base their religion solely on the Bible don't agree on things?

Dear dscherck, Your words above are exactly the belief and doctrine of the Orthodox Church. Where Roman "catholic" belief differs is it adds a third plank to the Holy Scripture and the Holy Apostolic Tradition: the alleged "infallible" "Magisterium", the Latin papacy, bishops of Rome. Since you concede that "people do err", it is indeed inevitable that the popes of Rome can and do err, and that they are not infallible in their dogmatic statements, and their teachings regarding faith and morals. No Christian is guaranteed freedom from doctrinal or moral error. Where Orthodoxy and Catholicism agree perfectly is that Christianity is not based on the Bible alone. Where they disagree strongly and historically is on the role and meaning of the Roman papacy, the bishops of Rome. In the early Church, all bishops were equal, and none claimed universal jurisdiction globally over the entire inhabited earth. Rome's ambition is sinful, and full of pride. A Catholic bishop is meant to have local jurisdiction only, or jurisdiction, at most, of a nation, not of every nation. What is a true Catholic bishop. An Orthodox Catholic Christian bishop. Not a Frankish-Latin papal bishop over the whole world. A pope of Rome as a local Orthodox Catholic bishop, a Roman patriarch only. Over all of Rome and at the furthest over all of Italy, but no more than that. It really is I think stretching it to say all of Italy. Really, all of Rome, for there are other Catholic bishops over the remaining cities of Italy.
God save us all from the FILIOQUE error. Amen. See John 15:26-27, God bless you. Amen. In Erie PA June 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington

 

[SantoSubito]

Hi all I said happened. I heard all my life they weren't allowed to read there bibles. They were not allowed to marry in the church. Your church may not be like this but it is history the church has been like this for many many years. You should know your won church history.

It would only matter what the Church did in regard to mixed marriages if your friend was married in the past, but she wasn't so that's a moot point on your part. Besides, back then the animosity was mutual; most Protestant ministers wouldn't marry a mixed faith couple unless the non-protestant party converted. As for Bible reading, we were promoting long before Protestants were. Why would the Church of had Bibles copied and chained in the churches so that all who could read had access to one if we didn't promote Bible reading?

I have been in another person house who used to be a Catholic. She turned to our Lord thank God. The Lord showed me how her house was covered in his blood. But there were blank spots on the walls of blood covering her house. Why Lord this is not good? The house has to be completely covered in your blood you know this Lord. I had a tour of her new home she thought she would never get. I told her she would get a new home we just had to pray and trust and it would be so. It was so in about 2 months. On the tour, her daughter had a rosary hanging on the wall of her bedroom. I told her that had to go. It carries a curse. So when the Lord showed me the blood on the walls and it had holes in the blood I knew the rosary was part of the problem. I asked the Lord what else is wrong. He told me to ask her what other things she had from being a Catholic so I did. She came out with this cross with a dead Jesus hanging on it. The sign of Satan, that he defeated Jesus at the cross. You know that is just what Satanist, witches an all are trained, Satan defeated Jesus on the cross. I told her in order to take the holes away in the blood of Jesus she had to get rid of all these things. They are symbles of Satan and they have demons in them. They make holes in the protection of God. It is up to her as to what she does. I can only tell her the truth. Those things are evil. They are warned of by God. But you all can do what ever you want.

Since this is a story I'm really just going to address your crucifix comment. A crucifix is a symbol of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross for our sins, there is no greater symbol of Christ's victory over Satan than the sacrifice on the Cross depicted in a crucifix.

Also, I'm not about to accept circumstantial evidence for the Catholic Church being satanic. I've known people that were beset by demons who've gotten rid of them by having a priest bless their home and making sure they put a crucifix up on every wall. How do you explain that?

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

Halatosis is evil.

 

[kujo313]

We cannot judge them Inwardly but my grandmother is cathlioc

now not condemning but, they pray to crosses and statues and pray to Saints.....and follow one man and what ever he says it is suppose to happen......(pope)

Not sure about them being evil, maybe you are hearing the negetive side of this religion and not the positive and right side

They are Christians still, right? I believe so

My great-aunt.
She wore Mary's Scapular, she prayed Mary's Rosary and she held onto a painting of Mary when she died.

Hell.

Jesus said that HE is the ONLY WAY. Not through His earthly mother. Not through His disciples. Not through a secretary whom you'd have to go through.

Just Jesus. Paul said that we have ONE Mediator between God and man: Jesus.

The religions that are evil without a doubt, I'm not worried about. I'm worried about those who are slightly "off".

 

[Laodicea]

Is this question referring to what they teach or to the people?

 

[David_1]

Ok well we've got one for Islam that never seems to go away, so I figured in the interests of fairness we should have one for the Catholics too.

Yet another one of your stupid and offensive threads.

What's your denomination? Let's put up a thread pondering it's possible evil shall we?

 

[SantoSubito]

My great-aunt.
She wore Mary's Scapular, she prayed Mary's Rosary and she held onto a painting of Mary when she died.

Hell.

Jesus said that HE is the ONLY WAY. Not through His earthly mother. Not through His disciples. Not through a secretary whom you'd have to go through.

Just Jesus. Paul said that we have ONE Mediator between God and man: Jesus.

The religions that are evil without a doubt, I'm not worried about. I'm worried about those who are slightly "off".

I'll be sure to say hi to your great-aunt in heaven then.

 

[trust_in_the_name]

Yet another one of your stupid and offensive threads.

What's your denomination? Let's put up a thread pondering it's possible evil shall we?

Here's my "denomination."

26 And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. (Acts 11:26)

I could start a thread called "Are Denominations Evil?" but the Bible is so clear on this that there really wouldn't be any point.

10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. (1 Corinthians 1:10)

 

[AnandaHya]

ok my mind says lets talk about Jesus more and evil less, what does your mind say?

 

[trust_in_the_name]

ok my mind says lets talk about Jesus more and evil less, what does your mind say?

16 For "who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Corinthians 2:16)

4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.' " (Matthew 4:4)

4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, (2 Corinthians 10:4-5)

11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. (Ephesians 5:11)

 

[Laodicea]

In the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, we read:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea, (AD 336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday….
Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.
Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her! —Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., (1946), p. 50.


On the venerable day of the sun let the magistrate and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however, persons engaged in agricultural work may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain growing or for vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. —Schaff’s History of the Christian Church, vol. III, chap. 75.

Daniel 7:25
(25) And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

 

[kujo313]

I'll be sure to say hi to your great-aunt in heaven then.

Can't be the same Heaven that Jesus taught about. You can't get there depending on Mary, or anybody else, to save you. There is only ONE Sacrificial Lamb that we need to be concerned about.

If otherwise, then why not Buddah or Mohammad, too?

 

[Israel]

My great-aunt.
She wore Mary's Scapular, she prayed Mary's Rosary and she held onto a painting of Mary when she died.

Hell.

Jesus said that HE is the ONLY WAY. Not through His earthly mother. Not through His disciples. Not through a secretary whom you'd have to go through.

Just Jesus. Paul said that we have ONE Mediator between God and man: Jesus.

The religions that are evil without a doubt, I'm not worried about. I'm worried about those who are slightly "off".

You cast a big stone. If your great-aunt is in a fiery hell for a scapular, a prayer and a painting, then your life must be flawless.

Can't be the same Heaven that Jesus taught about. You can't get there depending on Mary, or anybody else, to save you. There is only ONE Sacrificial Lamb that we need to be concerned about.

If otherwise, then why not Buddah or Mohammad, too?

It is. When will we understand? Stop judging based off what we SEE.

Malachi 2:10

10Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

We all have one Father. Let's get a theme developing.

Ephesians 4:4-7

4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

There is only ONE body and ONE Spirit. One Lord, one faith and ONE baptism. True baptism is our appointment to die as ALL men living knows that they will die. In knowing this one definite truth in our lives, every man works his operation in his measure of faith given him. We all know that all here is vanity and as such, some people react differently than others. But EVERYONE was give his measure of the gift of Christ. The bread of life. Buddha, if he was a person has his measure as does Mohammad. They are our brothers... We have the same Father... Can you pluck from our Father's hand?

 

[Hearer]

I have just returned from RC Mass and we prayed for unity amongst all Christians through the Holy Spirit. Bless you all. From Hearer.

 

[zone]

In the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, we read:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea, (AD 336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday….
Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.
Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her! —Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., (1946), p. 50.


On the venerable day of the sun let the magistrate and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however, persons engaged in agricultural work may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain growing or for vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. —Schaff’s History of the Christian Church, vol. III, chap. 75.

Daniel 7:25
(25) And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.

^^ CHURCH ON SUNDAY ^^ Paul preaching, communion service.

Acts 2
46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

^^ ASSEMBLING EVERY DAY ^^

Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

^^ CHRISTIAN LIBERTY ^^ - we are free to assemble and hold CHURCH on any day.

Lao if you prefer Saturday, that's part of your freedom in Christ to choose if anyone is making a Law for Christian assembly based on the Decalogue, perhaps they should keep in mind the Sabbath Day was NEVER, EVER given to gentiles anyways.

and, to keep that Law correctly, observers are to STAY IN THEIR HOMES and do NOTHING....so leaving home to go to church on Sabbath makes one a breaker of that Law.

and one who doesn't stone offenders for breaking the Sabbath are ALSO breaking that Law.

the Sabbath (like circumcision) >> pointed >> to JESUS CHRIST. it was a day of REST (not driving-to-Church Day, Lao)
love zone.

 

[David_1]

Here's my "denomination."

26 And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. (Acts 11:26)

I could start a thread called "Are Denominations Evil?" but the Bible is so clear on this that there really wouldn't be any point.

10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. (1 Corinthians 1:10)

So... you are an Eastern Orthodox Christian under the Patriarch of Antioch?

 

[oleander]

Without Catholicism you wouldn't have the bible you read today.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Without Catholicism you wouldn't have the bible you read today.

The bible Canon was almost complete before 150 AD. The Catholic church as an organization doesn't appear in history until the very late 200s and early 300s AD.

 

[SantoSubito]

Without Catholicism you wouldn't have the bible you read today.

Without the Catholic Church we also wouldn't have the Western Civilization we enjoy today. The Catholic Church was the only thing that held Europe together in the Dark ages and kept it from descending into total anarchy. And as the person above me said we have the Catholic Church to thank for preserving the Bible in the West as well as preserving the works of men like Virgil, Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, and others. You may not like to acknowledge but without the Catholic Church your church wouldn't exist and in all likely hood neither would the country we now live in.

The bible Canon was almost complete before 150 AD. The Catholic church as an organization doesn't appear in history until the very late 200s and early 300s AD.

There is a difference between all the books we have now in the NT being written and the date of canonization. The book being written and it's canonization are two different things. Also I would obviously object to the Catholic Church not existing until the 200 or 300's AD but that's a given.

 

[Laodicea]

Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.

^^ CHURCH ON SUNDAY ^^ Paul preaching, communion service.

Acts 2
46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

^^ ASSEMBLING EVERY DAY ^^

Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

^^ CHRISTIAN LIBERTY ^^ - we are free to assemble and hold CHURCH on any day.

Lao if you prefer Saturday, that's part of your freedom in Christ to choose if anyone is making a Law for Christian assembly based on the Decalogue, perhaps they should keep in mind the Sabbath Day was NEVER, EVER given to gentiles anyways.

and, to keep that Law correctly, observers are to STAY IN THEIR HOMES and do NOTHING....so leaving home to go to church on Sabbath makes one a breaker of that Law.

and one who doesn't stone offenders for breaking the Sabbath are ALSO breaking that Law.

the Sabbath (like circumcision) >> pointed >> to JESUS CHRIST. it was a day of REST (not driving-to-Church Day, Lao)
love zone.

In Acts 20:7 where it says that they came together on the first day of the week and spoke till midnight they used to keep the days from sunset to sunset so this would have been on Saturday night verse 11 says at the breaking of the day they departed which would have been Sunday morning so there was no church on Sunday we need to understand the Bible according to how they wrote it .

Colossians is taalking about the ceremonial laws which were also called sabbath days
Leviticus 23:24
(24) Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

Daniel 9 teaches us that Jesus put an end to the Ceremonial laws
Also only if we are Jews do we stay at home have you not read what Jesus spoke about the sabbath?
Hebrews 10:25
(25) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Acts 13:42-44
(42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
(43) Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
(44) And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.