If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?
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Yep, thanks for the info, it was helpful as i am not part of any denominational viewpoint.
Now, back to the Scripture.
That was 2,000 years ago so it is 1,000 years outdated by Scripture and therefore in error.
i understand the literal 1,000 year period of Revelation as it was always part of God's Plan.
i also understand where in revelation the number 1,000 is used in symbolic form which confirms the literal 1,000 years in chapter 20.
Now, back to the Scripture.
That was 2,000 years ago so it is 1,000 years outdated by Scripture and therefore in error.
i understand the literal 1,000 year period of Revelation as it was always part of God's Plan.
i also understand where in revelation the number 1,000 is used in symbolic form which confirms the literal 1,000 years in chapter 20.
Quote: JESUS is already Reigning, you have the nerve to say He isn't a King until the end? for real?
Of course Jesus is already reigning, but is it necessary to bite and devour one another?
Everyone of us are totally 100 percent different in the way we have come to believe in whatever it is that we have come to believe in. But one thing is for sure, we all have come to faith in the LORD Jesus Christ.
But is it important for us to crucify one another over eschatology? Who cares. And why should we care over such teachings?
I dare not speak of what I believe, being a newbie right off the bat.
But I will say this, since I’ve took a different route, actually I am going up stream and against the current of Main Street Christian belief on this subject, I have found a renewed faith and what I used to fight people over has fallen by the way side. In astonishment, I proclaimed to my horror, “how in the world was I deceived?”
Instead of seeing world events and anti christs on every corner, I am seeing Christ in every word of the bible and now I know what Jesus meant when he quoted the law stating, “I want mercy, not sacrifice”.
In this case, we are sacrificing our teaching on the altar of arguing and strife and have forgotten our own salvation, Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Of course Jesus is already reigning, but is it necessary to bite and devour one another?
Everyone of us are totally 100 percent different in the way we have come to believe in whatever it is that we have come to believe in. But one thing is for sure, we all have come to faith in the LORD Jesus Christ.
But is it important for us to crucify one another over eschatology? Who cares. And why should we care over such teachings?
I dare not speak of what I believe, being a newbie right off the bat.
But I will say this, since I’ve took a different route, actually I am going up stream and against the current of Main Street Christian belief on this subject, I have found a renewed faith and what I used to fight people over has fallen by the way side. In astonishment, I proclaimed to my horror, “how in the world was I deceived?”
Instead of seeing world events and anti christs on every corner, I am seeing Christ in every word of the bible and now I know what Jesus meant when he quoted the law stating, “I want mercy, not sacrifice”.
In this case, we are sacrificing our teaching on the altar of arguing and strife and have forgotten our own salvation, Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Hi A Work in Progress,
Welcome!
The first week I started using chat (signed up last year but never ended up using) I asked for my account to be deleted because of the rudeness--thankfully they didn't as there, I've discovered a few mature Christians here, who simply present the facts minus the ad hominem attacks. What's funny is people can often be so convinced they are right, that their pride takes over and they will fight to the death to defend their position; often when they are wrong. However, I actually have begun to enjoy putting together an argument to support my position by gathering verses (as to opposed to a doctrine supported by only say one or two verses) and then tying it together with a summary. Also, people add new things to the discussion--say verses, a new perspective, or a new discovery which also makes it enjoyable.
All this to say I agree with you--"Now Moses was the most humble man on earth." Just before Jesus died he washed the disciples feet and then said to them, "Go and do likewise"...and he added a new command "Love one another."
I'm glad you posted this as we all need to be reminded of how we Christians ought to treat each other. We should stand on truth, but most importantly we are here to glorify Him.
PS Yes! It is so important to understand that Christ is reigning now--at the right hand of the Father and in the heart of believer--Satan's time of destruction is still to come, but Christ has defeated Satan's power over sin and death at the cross!
Blessings,
Laura
Welcome!
The first week I started using chat (signed up last year but never ended up using) I asked for my account to be deleted because of the rudeness--thankfully they didn't as there, I've discovered a few mature Christians here, who simply present the facts minus the ad hominem attacks. What's funny is people can often be so convinced they are right, that their pride takes over and they will fight to the death to defend their position; often when they are wrong. However, I actually have begun to enjoy putting together an argument to support my position by gathering verses (as to opposed to a doctrine supported by only say one or two verses) and then tying it together with a summary. Also, people add new things to the discussion--say verses, a new perspective, or a new discovery which also makes it enjoyable.
All this to say I agree with you--"Now Moses was the most humble man on earth." Just before Jesus died he washed the disciples feet and then said to them, "Go and do likewise"...and he added a new command "Love one another."
I'm glad you posted this as we all need to be reminded of how we Christians ought to treat each other. We should stand on truth, but most importantly we are here to glorify Him.
PS Yes! It is so important to understand that Christ is reigning now--at the right hand of the Father and in the heart of believer--Satan's time of destruction is still to come, but Christ has defeated Satan's power over sin and death at the cross!
Blessings,
Laura
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i am not a Calvinist and do not even care to know about 'Calvinism' as it is just another 'ism'.
i - inconsistent
s - scriptural
m- meandering
Salavation is by Election/Grace not by service/works which is forbidden and penalty is death.
God has addressed this many times in His Word: Genesis 2:1-3 , 3:21 , John 1:11-13 , 6:35-40 , 17:9-12 , Eph 1:1-14 , Eph 2:8-10
Phil 1:1-6 , Psalm 106:23 , 1 Cor 1:1 , James 2:5 , Matt 22:14 , 1 Peter 2: 1-10 and more
i - inconsistent
s - scriptural
m- meandering
Salavation is by Election/Grace not by service/works which is forbidden and penalty is death.
God has addressed this many times in His Word: Genesis 2:1-3 , 3:21 , John 1:11-13 , 6:35-40 , 17:9-12 , Eph 1:1-14 , Eph 2:8-10
Phil 1:1-6 , Psalm 106:23 , 1 Cor 1:1 , James 2:5 , Matt 22:14 , 1 Peter 2: 1-10 and more
my belief is he is free to accuse you and I to our selves and even what he often does he might accuse and condemn me , to your mind
but I do believe he has no place speaking to God about us anymore the accuser is cast out of heaven but he is active on earth
I’d say it’s why there are so very many judgemental Christians who take on the role of accuser and pointer outer of others flaws . Satans nature has always been to accuse man for sin after tempting man to sin
then he used to go to God and say“ they broke your word , your word says they must die , it’s your word “
think back remember as soon as God earned them abo it the fruit Satan attacked the integrity and truth of Gods word to them “ you will surely die don’t eat the fruit “ v “ no you will not die it’s good for you “
sin is how Satan the only way he had to accuse mankind once man breaks Gods word Satan had an accusation that was credible against us
But now , we have a propitiation that says “ thier sins were put upon Christ Jesus who bore them for us “
it eliminates satans angle to accuse us before God when we accept the atoning sacrifice Satan could say “they broke your word “ now , and the answer is always “ thier sins have been atoned for sufficiently by Christ “
so it sort of cut off Satan at his knees who is there left to condemn those who trust in Christ ? No one in all creation but ourselves we can condemn ourselves and others if we listen to the accuser
but I do believe he has no place speaking to God about us anymore the accuser is cast out of heaven but he is active on earth
I’d say it’s why there are so very many judgemental Christians who take on the role of accuser and pointer outer of others flaws . Satans nature has always been to accuse man for sin after tempting man to sin
then he used to go to God and say“ they broke your word , your word says they must die , it’s your word “
think back remember as soon as God earned them abo it the fruit Satan attacked the integrity and truth of Gods word to them “ you will surely die don’t eat the fruit “ v “ no you will not die it’s good for you “
sin is how Satan the only way he had to accuse mankind once man breaks Gods word Satan had an accusation that was credible against us
But now , we have a propitiation that says “ thier sins were put upon Christ Jesus who bore them for us “
it eliminates satans angle to accuse us before God when we accept the atoning sacrifice Satan could say “they broke your word “ now , and the answer is always “ thier sins have been atoned for sufficiently by Christ “
so it sort of cut off Satan at his knees who is there left to condemn those who trust in Christ ? No one in all creation but ourselves we can condemn ourselves and others if we listen to the accuser
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Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Don't read over "unto our God". That is key to understanding what is being said and what is not being said.
This simply means God considers them kings and priests but the reign is Earthly which means they do not literally become kings or priests until they return to the Earth. That is when they are given rule and authority over the nations who are also upon the Earth. None of that happens until the second coming.
No Christian right now has a kingdom or literal dominion over any single unsaved gentile nor do they have priestly authority over them. Those gentiles are killing supposed kings and priests everyday proving Christians do not have that rod of iron authority yet.
Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
Rev 1:6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
It says to God, not to the gentiles. That proves no one is a king or priest, with a rod of iron type of authority, right now to the gentiles.
Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
That's a second coming reference.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
After "the end" will power be given to rule over the nations so this "end" is an end of one age, with a new age about to begin. After the end of this age the new age of the rule of the rod of iron for a thousand years will begin.
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Only AFTER the return of Christ and AFTER "the end" will overcomers receive this power over the nations.
Only AFTER the return of Christ and AFTER "the end" will overcomers rule with a rod of iron over the nations.
This reign which happens after the second coming will last 1000 years:
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
This is in the future tense meaning despite being kings and priests to God the Father, any rule over the nations is in the future and will be upon the Earth.
Don't read over "unto our God". That is key to understanding what is being said and what is not being said.
This simply means God considers them kings and priests but the reign is Earthly which means they do not literally become kings or priests until they return to the Earth. That is when they are given rule and authority over the nations who are also upon the Earth. None of that happens until the second coming.
No Christian right now has a kingdom or literal dominion over any single unsaved gentile nor do they have priestly authority over them. Those gentiles are killing supposed kings and priests everyday proving Christians do not have that rod of iron authority yet.
Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
Rev 1:6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
It says to God, not to the gentiles. That proves no one is a king or priest, with a rod of iron type of authority, right now to the gentiles.
Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
That's a second coming reference.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
After "the end" will power be given to rule over the nations so this "end" is an end of one age, with a new age about to begin. After the end of this age the new age of the rule of the rod of iron for a thousand years will begin.
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Only AFTER the return of Christ and AFTER "the end" will overcomers receive this power over the nations.
Only AFTER the return of Christ and AFTER "the end" will overcomers rule with a rod of iron over the nations.
This reign which happens after the second coming will last 1000 years:
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
This is in the future tense meaning despite being kings and priests to God the Father, any rule over the nations is in the future and will be upon the Earth.
Scriptures in the bible that use the word "thousand" in a literal sense:
Genesis 20:16
To Sarah he said, “Behold, I have given your brother a thousand pieces of silver; behold, it is your vindication before all who are with you, and before all men you are cleared.”
Exodus 12:37
Now the sons of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand men on foot, aside from children.
Exodus 18:21
Furthermore, you shall select out of all the people able men who fear God, men of truth, those who hate dishonest gain; and you shall place these over them as leaders of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties and of tens.
Exodus 18:25
Moses chose able men out of all Israel and made them heads over the people, leaders of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties and of tens.
Exodus 32:28
So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day.
Leviticus 26:8
five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall before you by the sword.
Numbers 31:4
A thousand from each tribe of all the tribes of Israel you shall send to the war.”
Numbers 31:5
So there were furnished from the thousands of Israel, a thousand from each tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
Numbers 31:6
Moses sent them, a thousand from each tribe, to the war, and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war with them, and the holy vessels and the trumpets for the alarm in his hand.
Numbers 31:14
Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war.
Numbers 31:48
Then the officers who were over the thousands of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, approached Moses,
Numbers 31:52
All the gold of the offering which they offered up to the Lord, from the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, was 16,750 shekels.
Numbers 31:54
So Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold from the captains of thousands and of hundreds, and brought it to the tent of meeting as a memorial for the sons of Israel before the Lord.
Numbers 35:4
“The pasture lands of the cities which you shall give to the Levites shall extend from the wall of the city outward a thousand cubits around.
Numbers 35:5
You shall also measure outside the city on the east side two thousand cubits, and on the south side two thousand cubits, and on the west side two thousand cubits, and on the north side two thousand cubits, with the city in the center. This shall become theirs as pasture lands for the cities.
Deuteronomy 1:11
May the Lord, the God of your fathers, increase you a thousand-fold more than you are and bless you, just as He has promised you!
Deuteronomy 1:15
So I took the heads of your tribes, wise and experienced men, and appointed them heads over you, leaders of thousands and of hundreds, of fifties and of tens, and officers for your tribes.
Deuteronomy 32:30
“How could one chase a thousand, And two put ten thousand to flight, Unless their Rock had sold them, And the Lord had given them up?
Deuteronomy 33:2
He said, “The Lord came from Sinai, And dawned on them from Seir; He shone forth from Mount Paran, And He came from the midst of ten thousand holy ones; At His right hand there was flashing lightning for them.
Joshua 7:3
They returned to Joshua and said to him, “Do not let all the people go up; only about two or three thousand men need go up to Ai; do not make all the people toil up there, for they are few.”
Joshua 7:4
So about three thousand men from the people went up there, but they fled from the men of Ai.
Joshua 23:10
One of your men puts to flight a thousand, for the Lord your God is He who fights for you, just as He promised you.
Judges 1:4
Judah went up, and the Lord gave the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hands, and they defeated ten thousand men at Bezek.
Judges 3:29
They struck down at that time about ten thousand Moabites, all robust and valiant men; and no one escaped.
Judges 4:6
Now she sent and summoned Barak the son of Abinoam from Kedesh-naphtali, and said to him, “Behold, the Lord, the God of Israel, has commanded, ‘Go and march to Mount Tabor, and take with you ten thousand men from the sons of Naphtali and from the sons of Zebulun.
Judges 4:10
Barak called Zebulun and Naphtali together to Kedesh, and ten thousand men went up with him; Deborah also went up with him.
Judges 4:14
Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day in which the Lord has given Sisera into your hands; behold, the Lord has gone out before you.” So Barak went down from Mount Tabor with ten thousand men following him.
Judges 5:8
New gods were chosen; Then war was in the gates. Not a shield or a spear was seen among forty thousand in Israel.
Judges 9:49
All the people also cut down each one his branch and followed Abimelech, and put them on the inner chamber and set the inner chamber on fire over those inside, so that all the men of the tower of Shechem also died, about a thousand men and women.
Judges 15:15
He found a fresh jawbone of a donkey, so he reached out and took it and killed a thousand men with it.
Judges 15:16
Then Samson said, “With the jawbone of a donkey, Heaps upon heaps, With the jawbone of a donkey I have killed a thousand men.”
Judges 20:34
When ten thousand choice men from all Israel came against Gibeah, the battle became fierce; but Benjamin did not know that disaster was close to them.
1 Samuel 4:2
The Philistines drew up in battle array to meet Israel. When the battle spread, Israel was defeated before the Philistines who killed about four thousand men on the battlefield.
1 Samuel 4:10
So the Philistines fought and Israel was defeated, and every man fled to his tent; and the slaughter was very great, for there fell of Israel thirty thousand foot soldiers.
1 Samuel 17:5
He had a bronze helmet on his head, and he was clothed with scale-armor which weighed five thousand shekels of bronze.
1 Samuel 17:18
Bring also these ten cuts of cheese to the commander of their thousand, and look into the welfare of your brothers, and bring back news of them.
1 Samuel 18:13
Therefore Saul removed him from his presence and appointed him as his commander of a thousand; and he went out and came in before the people.
1 Samuel 24:2
Then Saul took three thousand chosen men from all Israel and went to seek David and his men in front of the Rocks of the Wild Goats.
1 Samuel 25:2
[ Nabal and Abigail ] Now there was a man in Maon whose business was in Carmel; and the man was very rich, and he had three thousand sheep and a thousand goats. And it came about while he was shearing his sheep in Carmel
1 Samuel 26:2
So Saul arose and went down to the wilderness of Ziph, having with him three thousand chosen men of Israel, to search for David in the wilderness of Ziph.
2 Samuel 6:1
[ Peril in Moving the Ark ] Now David again gathered all the chosen men of Israel, thirty thousand.
2 Samuel 18:3
But the people said, “You should not go out; for if we indeed flee, they will not care about us; even if half of us die, they will not care about us. But you are worth ten thousand of us; therefore now it is better that you be ready to help us from the city.”
2 Samuel 18:12
The man said to Joab, “Even if I should receive a thousand pieces of silver in my hand, I would not put out my hand against the king’s son; for in our hearing the king charged you and Abishai and Ittai, saying, ‘Protect for me the young man Absalom!’
2 Samuel 19:17
There were a thousand men of Benjamin with him, with Ziba the servant of the house of Saul, and his fifteen sons and his twenty servants with him; and they rushed to the Jordan before the king.
2 Samuel 24:9
And Joab gave the number of the registration of the people to the king; and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men who drew the sword, and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men.
2 Samuel 24:15
So the Lord sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning until the appointed time, and seventy thousand men of the people from Dan to Beersheba died.
1 Kings 3:4
The king went to Gibeon to sacrifice there, for that was the great high place; Solomon offered a thousand burnt offerings on that altar.
1 Kings 7:26
It was a handbreadth thick, and its brim was made like the brim of a cup, as a lily blossom; it could hold two thousand baths.
2 Kings 5:5
Then the king of Aram said, “Go now, and I will send a letter to the king of Israel.” He departed and took with him ten talents of silver and six thousand shekels of gold and ten changes of clothes.
2 Kings 15:19
Pul, king of Assyria, came against the land, and Menahem gave Pul a thousand talents of silver so that his hand might be with him to strengthen the kingdom under his rule.
2 Kings 18:23
Now therefore, come, make a bargain with my master the king of Assyria, and I will give you two thousand horses, if you are able on your part to set riders on them.
2 Kings 24:14
Then he led away into exile all Jerusalem and all the captains and all the mighty men of valor, ten thousand captives, and all the craftsmen and the smiths. None remained except the poorest people of the land.
Genesis 20:16
To Sarah he said, “Behold, I have given your brother a thousand pieces of silver; behold, it is your vindication before all who are with you, and before all men you are cleared.”
Exodus 12:37
Now the sons of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand men on foot, aside from children.
Exodus 18:21
Furthermore, you shall select out of all the people able men who fear God, men of truth, those who hate dishonest gain; and you shall place these over them as leaders of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties and of tens.
Exodus 18:25
Moses chose able men out of all Israel and made them heads over the people, leaders of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties and of tens.
Exodus 32:28
So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day.
Leviticus 26:8
five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall before you by the sword.
Numbers 31:4
A thousand from each tribe of all the tribes of Israel you shall send to the war.”
Numbers 31:5
So there were furnished from the thousands of Israel, a thousand from each tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
Numbers 31:6
Moses sent them, a thousand from each tribe, to the war, and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war with them, and the holy vessels and the trumpets for the alarm in his hand.
Numbers 31:14
Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war.
Numbers 31:48
Then the officers who were over the thousands of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, approached Moses,
Numbers 31:52
All the gold of the offering which they offered up to the Lord, from the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, was 16,750 shekels.
Numbers 31:54
So Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold from the captains of thousands and of hundreds, and brought it to the tent of meeting as a memorial for the sons of Israel before the Lord.
Numbers 35:4
“The pasture lands of the cities which you shall give to the Levites shall extend from the wall of the city outward a thousand cubits around.
Numbers 35:5
You shall also measure outside the city on the east side two thousand cubits, and on the south side two thousand cubits, and on the west side two thousand cubits, and on the north side two thousand cubits, with the city in the center. This shall become theirs as pasture lands for the cities.
Deuteronomy 1:11
May the Lord, the God of your fathers, increase you a thousand-fold more than you are and bless you, just as He has promised you!
Deuteronomy 1:15
So I took the heads of your tribes, wise and experienced men, and appointed them heads over you, leaders of thousands and of hundreds, of fifties and of tens, and officers for your tribes.
Deuteronomy 32:30
“How could one chase a thousand, And two put ten thousand to flight, Unless their Rock had sold them, And the Lord had given them up?
Deuteronomy 33:2
He said, “The Lord came from Sinai, And dawned on them from Seir; He shone forth from Mount Paran, And He came from the midst of ten thousand holy ones; At His right hand there was flashing lightning for them.
Joshua 7:3
They returned to Joshua and said to him, “Do not let all the people go up; only about two or three thousand men need go up to Ai; do not make all the people toil up there, for they are few.”
Joshua 7:4
So about three thousand men from the people went up there, but they fled from the men of Ai.
Joshua 23:10
One of your men puts to flight a thousand, for the Lord your God is He who fights for you, just as He promised you.
Judges 1:4
Judah went up, and the Lord gave the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hands, and they defeated ten thousand men at Bezek.
Judges 3:29
They struck down at that time about ten thousand Moabites, all robust and valiant men; and no one escaped.
Judges 4:6
Now she sent and summoned Barak the son of Abinoam from Kedesh-naphtali, and said to him, “Behold, the Lord, the God of Israel, has commanded, ‘Go and march to Mount Tabor, and take with you ten thousand men from the sons of Naphtali and from the sons of Zebulun.
Judges 4:10
Barak called Zebulun and Naphtali together to Kedesh, and ten thousand men went up with him; Deborah also went up with him.
Judges 4:14
Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day in which the Lord has given Sisera into your hands; behold, the Lord has gone out before you.” So Barak went down from Mount Tabor with ten thousand men following him.
Judges 5:8
New gods were chosen; Then war was in the gates. Not a shield or a spear was seen among forty thousand in Israel.
Judges 9:49
All the people also cut down each one his branch and followed Abimelech, and put them on the inner chamber and set the inner chamber on fire over those inside, so that all the men of the tower of Shechem also died, about a thousand men and women.
Judges 15:15
He found a fresh jawbone of a donkey, so he reached out and took it and killed a thousand men with it.
Judges 15:16
Then Samson said, “With the jawbone of a donkey, Heaps upon heaps, With the jawbone of a donkey I have killed a thousand men.”
Judges 20:34
When ten thousand choice men from all Israel came against Gibeah, the battle became fierce; but Benjamin did not know that disaster was close to them.
1 Samuel 4:2
The Philistines drew up in battle array to meet Israel. When the battle spread, Israel was defeated before the Philistines who killed about four thousand men on the battlefield.
1 Samuel 4:10
So the Philistines fought and Israel was defeated, and every man fled to his tent; and the slaughter was very great, for there fell of Israel thirty thousand foot soldiers.
1 Samuel 17:5
He had a bronze helmet on his head, and he was clothed with scale-armor which weighed five thousand shekels of bronze.
1 Samuel 17:18
Bring also these ten cuts of cheese to the commander of their thousand, and look into the welfare of your brothers, and bring back news of them.
1 Samuel 18:13
Therefore Saul removed him from his presence and appointed him as his commander of a thousand; and he went out and came in before the people.
1 Samuel 24:2
Then Saul took three thousand chosen men from all Israel and went to seek David and his men in front of the Rocks of the Wild Goats.
1 Samuel 25:2
[ Nabal and Abigail ] Now there was a man in Maon whose business was in Carmel; and the man was very rich, and he had three thousand sheep and a thousand goats. And it came about while he was shearing his sheep in Carmel
1 Samuel 26:2
So Saul arose and went down to the wilderness of Ziph, having with him three thousand chosen men of Israel, to search for David in the wilderness of Ziph.
2 Samuel 6:1
[ Peril in Moving the Ark ] Now David again gathered all the chosen men of Israel, thirty thousand.
2 Samuel 18:3
But the people said, “You should not go out; for if we indeed flee, they will not care about us; even if half of us die, they will not care about us. But you are worth ten thousand of us; therefore now it is better that you be ready to help us from the city.”
2 Samuel 18:12
The man said to Joab, “Even if I should receive a thousand pieces of silver in my hand, I would not put out my hand against the king’s son; for in our hearing the king charged you and Abishai and Ittai, saying, ‘Protect for me the young man Absalom!’
2 Samuel 19:17
There were a thousand men of Benjamin with him, with Ziba the servant of the house of Saul, and his fifteen sons and his twenty servants with him; and they rushed to the Jordan before the king.
2 Samuel 24:9
And Joab gave the number of the registration of the people to the king; and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men who drew the sword, and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men.
2 Samuel 24:15
So the Lord sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning until the appointed time, and seventy thousand men of the people from Dan to Beersheba died.
1 Kings 3:4
The king went to Gibeon to sacrifice there, for that was the great high place; Solomon offered a thousand burnt offerings on that altar.
1 Kings 7:26
It was a handbreadth thick, and its brim was made like the brim of a cup, as a lily blossom; it could hold two thousand baths.
2 Kings 5:5
Then the king of Aram said, “Go now, and I will send a letter to the king of Israel.” He departed and took with him ten talents of silver and six thousand shekels of gold and ten changes of clothes.
2 Kings 15:19
Pul, king of Assyria, came against the land, and Menahem gave Pul a thousand talents of silver so that his hand might be with him to strengthen the kingdom under his rule.
2 Kings 18:23
Now therefore, come, make a bargain with my master the king of Assyria, and I will give you two thousand horses, if you are able on your part to set riders on them.
2 Kings 24:14
Then he led away into exile all Jerusalem and all the captains and all the mighty men of valor, ten thousand captives, and all the craftsmen and the smiths. None remained except the poorest people of the land.
2 Kings 24:16
All the men of valor, seven thousand, and the craftsmen and the smiths, one thousand, all strong and fit for war, and these the king of Babylon brought into exile to Babylon.
2 Chronicles 1:6
Solomon went up there before the Lord to the bronze altar which was at the tent of meeting, and offered a thousand burnt offerings on it.
2 Chronicles 17:14
This was their muster according to their fathers’ households: of Judah, commanders of thousands, Adnah was the commander, and with him three hundred thousand valiant warriors;
2 Chronicles 25:5
[ Amaziah Defeats Edomites ] Moreover, Amaziah assembled Judah and appointed them according to their fathers’ households under commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds throughout Judah and Benjamin; and he took a census of those from twenty years old and upward and found them to be three hundred thousand choice men, able to go to war and handle spear and shield.
2 Chronicles 27:5
He fought also with the king of the Ammonites and prevailed over them so that the Ammonites gave him during that year one hundred talents of silver, ten thousand kors of wheat and ten thousand of barley. The Ammonites also paid him this amount in the second and in the third year.
Nehemiah 3:13
Hanun and the inhabitants of Zanoah repaired the Valley Gate. They built it and hung its doors with its bolts and its bars, and a thousand cubits of the wall to the Refuse Gate.
Esther 3:9
If it is pleasing to the king, let it be decreed that they be destroyed, and I will pay ten thousand talents of silver into the hands of those who carry on the king’s business, to put into the king’s treasuries.”
Ecclesiastes 6:6
Even if the other man lives a thousand years twice and does not enjoy good things—do not all go to one place?”
Song of Solomon 8:11
“Solomon had a vineyard at Baal-hamon; He entrusted the vineyard to caretakers. Each one was to bring a thousand shekels of silver for its fruit.
Song of Solomon 8:12
“My very own vineyard is at my disposal; The thousand shekels are for you, Solomon, And two hundred are for those who take care of its fruit.”
Isaiah 36:8
Now therefore, come make a bargain with my master the king of Assyria, and I will give you two thousand horses, if you are able on your part to set riders on them.
Ezekiel 47:3
When the man went out toward the east with a line in his hand, he measured a thousand cubits, and he led me through the water, water reaching the ankles.
Ezekiel 47:4
Again he measured a thousand and led me through the water, water reaching the knees. Again he measured a thousand and led me through the water, water reaching the loins.
Ezekiel 47:5
Again he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not ford, for the water had risen, enough water to swim in, a river that could not be forded.
Daniel 5:1
Belshazzar the king held a great feast for a thousand of his nobles, and he was drinking wine in the presence of the thousand.
Matthew 14:21
There were about five thousand men who ate, besides women and children.
Matthew 15:38
And those who ate were four thousand men, besides women and children.
Matthew 16:9
Do you not yet understand or remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets full you picked up?
Matthew 16:10
Or the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many large baskets full you picked up?
Matthew 18:24
When he had begun to settle them, one who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him.
Mark 5:13
Jesus gave them permission. And coming out, the unclean spirits entered the swine; and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea, about two thousand of them; and they were drowned in the sea.
Mark 6:44
There were five thousand men who ate the loaves.
Mark 8:9
About four thousand were there; and He sent them away.
Mark 8:19
when I broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces you picked up?” They *said to Him, “Twelve.”
Mark 8:20
“When I broke the seven for the four thousand, how many large baskets full of broken pieces did you pick up?” And they *said to Him, “Seven.”
Luke 9:14
(For there were about five thousand men.) And He said to His disciples, “Have them sit down to eat in groups of about fifty each.”
John 6:10
Jesus said, “Have the people sit down.” Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.
Acts 2:41
So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.
Acts 4:4
But many of those who had heard the message believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand.
Acts 19:19
And many of those who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of everyone; and they counted up the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.
Acts 21:38
Then you are not the Egyptian who some time ago stirred up a revolt and led the four thousand men of the Assassins out into the wilderness?”
Romans 11:4
But what is the divine response to him? “I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
1 Corinthians 10:8
Nor let us act immorally, as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in one day.
1 Corinthians 14:19
however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue.
2 Peter 3:8
But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
Revelation 7:4
And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
Revelation 7:5
from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,
Revelation 7:6
from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,
Revelation 7:7
from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,
Revelation 7:8
from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.
Revelation 11:13
And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell; seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Revelation 12:6
Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
Revelation 14:1
Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.
Revelation 14:3
And they *sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth.
Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
Revelation 20:3
and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.
Revelation 20:4
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Revelation 20:5
The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Revelation 20:7
When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
All the men of valor, seven thousand, and the craftsmen and the smiths, one thousand, all strong and fit for war, and these the king of Babylon brought into exile to Babylon.
2 Chronicles 1:6
Solomon went up there before the Lord to the bronze altar which was at the tent of meeting, and offered a thousand burnt offerings on it.
2 Chronicles 17:14
This was their muster according to their fathers’ households: of Judah, commanders of thousands, Adnah was the commander, and with him three hundred thousand valiant warriors;
2 Chronicles 25:5
[ Amaziah Defeats Edomites ] Moreover, Amaziah assembled Judah and appointed them according to their fathers’ households under commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds throughout Judah and Benjamin; and he took a census of those from twenty years old and upward and found them to be three hundred thousand choice men, able to go to war and handle spear and shield.
2 Chronicles 27:5
He fought also with the king of the Ammonites and prevailed over them so that the Ammonites gave him during that year one hundred talents of silver, ten thousand kors of wheat and ten thousand of barley. The Ammonites also paid him this amount in the second and in the third year.
Nehemiah 3:13
Hanun and the inhabitants of Zanoah repaired the Valley Gate. They built it and hung its doors with its bolts and its bars, and a thousand cubits of the wall to the Refuse Gate.
Esther 3:9
If it is pleasing to the king, let it be decreed that they be destroyed, and I will pay ten thousand talents of silver into the hands of those who carry on the king’s business, to put into the king’s treasuries.”
Ecclesiastes 6:6
Even if the other man lives a thousand years twice and does not enjoy good things—do not all go to one place?”
Song of Solomon 8:11
“Solomon had a vineyard at Baal-hamon; He entrusted the vineyard to caretakers. Each one was to bring a thousand shekels of silver for its fruit.
Song of Solomon 8:12
“My very own vineyard is at my disposal; The thousand shekels are for you, Solomon, And two hundred are for those who take care of its fruit.”
Isaiah 36:8
Now therefore, come make a bargain with my master the king of Assyria, and I will give you two thousand horses, if you are able on your part to set riders on them.
Ezekiel 47:3
When the man went out toward the east with a line in his hand, he measured a thousand cubits, and he led me through the water, water reaching the ankles.
Ezekiel 47:4
Again he measured a thousand and led me through the water, water reaching the knees. Again he measured a thousand and led me through the water, water reaching the loins.
Ezekiel 47:5
Again he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not ford, for the water had risen, enough water to swim in, a river that could not be forded.
Daniel 5:1
Belshazzar the king held a great feast for a thousand of his nobles, and he was drinking wine in the presence of the thousand.
Matthew 14:21
There were about five thousand men who ate, besides women and children.
Matthew 15:38
And those who ate were four thousand men, besides women and children.
Matthew 16:9
Do you not yet understand or remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets full you picked up?
Matthew 16:10
Or the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many large baskets full you picked up?
Matthew 18:24
When he had begun to settle them, one who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him.
Mark 5:13
Jesus gave them permission. And coming out, the unclean spirits entered the swine; and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea, about two thousand of them; and they were drowned in the sea.
Mark 6:44
There were five thousand men who ate the loaves.
Mark 8:9
About four thousand were there; and He sent them away.
Mark 8:19
when I broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces you picked up?” They *said to Him, “Twelve.”
Mark 8:20
“When I broke the seven for the four thousand, how many large baskets full of broken pieces did you pick up?” And they *said to Him, “Seven.”
Luke 9:14
(For there were about five thousand men.) And He said to His disciples, “Have them sit down to eat in groups of about fifty each.”
John 6:10
Jesus said, “Have the people sit down.” Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.
Acts 2:41
So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.
Acts 4:4
But many of those who had heard the message believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand.
Acts 19:19
And many of those who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of everyone; and they counted up the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.
Acts 21:38
Then you are not the Egyptian who some time ago stirred up a revolt and led the four thousand men of the Assassins out into the wilderness?”
Romans 11:4
But what is the divine response to him? “I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
1 Corinthians 10:8
Nor let us act immorally, as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in one day.
1 Corinthians 14:19
however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue.
2 Peter 3:8
But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
Revelation 7:4
And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
Revelation 7:5
from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,
Revelation 7:6
from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,
Revelation 7:7
from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,
Revelation 7:8
from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.
Revelation 11:13
And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell; seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Revelation 12:6
Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
Revelation 14:1
Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.
Revelation 14:3
And they *sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth.
Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
Revelation 20:3
and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.
Revelation 20:4
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Revelation 20:5
The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Revelation 20:7
When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
We inherit The Kingdom for Infinity on the New Earth, not a thousand years. We become Citizens now.
Sounds like The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST:
Ephesians 2:19-22
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 5:17,19,20
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
Sounds like The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST:
Ephesians 2:19-22
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 5:17,19,20
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
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The thousand years is the rule with a rod of iron over the nations. It is not the length of a kingdom. The kingdom is eternal. Physically it is only in heaven at this time. It is here spiritually inside of believers now. It will be a physical reality after the second coming is completed.
The Millennium: An Earthly rule by Christ and his saints
Christ will exercise his Kingly authority on Earth when the 7th trump sounds:
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
The rod of iron reign only begins after Christ has come:
Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
The saints reign will be on the Earth not from heaven:
Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the EARTH.
second coming:
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
After the second coming:
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
All these prove a literal kingdom with Christ and his saints physically here on the Earth literally ruling over human beings of various nations.
The Millennium: An Earthly rule by Christ and his saints
Christ will exercise his Kingly authority on Earth when the 7th trump sounds:
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
The rod of iron reign only begins after Christ has come:
Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
The saints reign will be on the Earth not from heaven:
Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the EARTH.
second coming:
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
After the second coming:
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
All these prove a literal kingdom with Christ and his saints physically here on the Earth literally ruling over human beings of various nations.