How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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...and you are thinking "that day" (v.3a refering to v.2b's content of the False Claimants') is speaking of Christ's Second Coming / Return to the earth... that Paul was warning the Thessalonians not to be convinced by anyone telling them "that [what you suggest] IS PRESENT / IS ALREADY HERE [PERFECT indicative]"... which I'm saying I disagree that's what "that Day" speaks of in this text / context (in vv.3a,2b).
[1Th5:1-3 had Paul already acknowledging the Thessalonians "KNOW PERFECTLY" the MANNER of the arrival of "the DOTL"... that it will be "exactly like [G5618]" the initial "birth PANG [singular]" that comes upon a woman... which is precisely what Jesus had spoken of in His Olivet Discourse, referring to a time period that will unfold upon the earth LEADING UP TO His Return... rather than its referring merely to the "singular 24-hr day" of His Return; so I remain unconvinced of *your* viewpoint that suggests "that Day" (v.3a,v.2b) refers to the "singular 24-hr day" of Christ's Return to the earth (Rev19). It doesn't.]
[1Th5:1-3 had Paul already acknowledging the Thessalonians "KNOW PERFECTLY" the MANNER of the arrival of "the DOTL"... that it will be "exactly like [G5618]" the initial "birth PANG [singular]" that comes upon a woman... which is precisely what Jesus had spoken of in His Olivet Discourse, referring to a time period that will unfold upon the earth LEADING UP TO His Return... rather than its referring merely to the "singular 24-hr day" of His Return; so I remain unconvinced of *your* viewpoint that suggests "that Day" (v.3a,v.2b) refers to the "singular 24-hr day" of Christ's Return to the earth (Rev19). It doesn't.]
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Aw man, @Absolutely … You haven’t been reading my posts of late? One was written especially for you!
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Looking at a few words....
he may abideG3306
G3306
μένω
menō
Thayer Definition:
1) to remain, abide
1a) in reference to place
1a1) to sojourn, tarry
1a2) not to depart
1a2a) to continue to be present
1a2b) to be held, kept, continually
1b) in reference to time
1b1) to continue to be, not to perish, to last, endure
1b1a) of persons, to survive, live
1c) in reference to state or condition
1c1) to remain as one, not to become another or different
2) to wait for, await one
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a root word
God Bless!
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Looking at a few words....
he may abideG3306
G3306
μένω
menō
Thayer Definition:
1) to remain, abide
1a) in reference to place
1a1) to sojourn, tarry
1a2) not to depart
1a2a) to continue to be present
1a2b) to be held, kept, continually
1b) in reference to time
1b1) to continue to be, not to perish, to last, endure
1b1a) of persons, to survive, live
1c) in reference to state or condition
1c1) to remain as one, not to become another or different
2) to wait for, await one
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a root word
God Bless!
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Here are your postrib rapture verses
Mk 13:24
2 thes2...1>>>>>>15
Revalation's "innumerable number."
The trumpet verses
Mat 24 " after the trib...."
None are depicting IN MY OPINION ...a postrib rapture.
Pick one and prove me wrong.
No dodge
No evasion.
Pick one that i had to research.
Where are you seeing a postrib rapture.?
But at least now you guys know where you get your beliefs from.
Mk 13:24
2 thes2...1>>>>>>15
Revalation's "innumerable number."
The trumpet verses
Mat 24 " after the trib...."
None are depicting IN MY OPINION ...a postrib rapture.
Pick one and prove me wrong.
No dodge
No evasion.
Pick one that i had to research.
Where are you seeing a postrib rapture.?
But at least now you guys know where you get your beliefs from.
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I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
It will take less time than a wink of an eye to transform all of the physical or natural bodies on this planet into spiritual bodies. It is immediate. This transformation will occur "at the last trump," or when there are no more trumps, according to Paul. That trumpet is identified as the seventh trumpet, and we know that this is the exact moment when Jesus Christ returns to earth to establish His Millennium government right here on earth. We're talking about God's trumpets here, and Satan returns to earth in person on the sixth trumpet to deceive the entire world.
So if you're waiting for the rapture, you'll be raptured by someone other than Jesus Christ, because He will be coming to earth to establish His kingdom.
It will take less time than a wink of an eye to transform all of the physical or natural bodies on this planet into spiritual bodies. It is immediate. This transformation will occur "at the last trump," or when there are no more trumps, according to Paul. That trumpet is identified as the seventh trumpet, and we know that this is the exact moment when Jesus Christ returns to earth to establish His Millennium government right here on earth. We're talking about God's trumpets here, and Satan returns to earth in person on the sixth trumpet to deceive the entire world.
So if you're waiting for the rapture, you'll be raptured by someone other than Jesus Christ, because He will be coming to earth to establish His kingdom.
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"""Does this imply that the church is about to fly away and vanish? No. It means that those who have the seal of God in their forehead..."
Nope
Only the 144k get sealed in their forehead.
""", but Christ also tells Satan not to touch a single hair on their heads"""
Uh...all but John died violent brutal deaths...were killed by satan.
On top of that the ac is EMPOWERED to kill christians.
The chuch age ends pretrib at the rapture.
That is how the ac martyrs ALL REFUSING THE MARK.
ALL believers die in the trib.
Rev 14 is the last group gathered and they are Jews. That is about mid trib.
Nope
Only the 144k get sealed in their forehead.
""", but Christ also tells Satan not to touch a single hair on their heads"""
Uh...all but John died violent brutal deaths...were killed by satan.
On top of that the ac is EMPOWERED to kill christians.
The chuch age ends pretrib at the rapture.
That is how the ac martyrs ALL REFUSING THE MARK.
ALL believers die in the trib.
Rev 14 is the last group gathered and they are Jews. That is about mid trib.