God's Sabbath Rest - Mission Impossible

TMS · Nov 27, 2021

You are separating the Law from Christ and the Spirit...
The Law is Spiritual and is Holy and Good. The Law is what Jesus obeyed in order to be righteous and holy.
If Jesus lives in you then that same law will start to be produced in you..
Love.... not stealing and not killing and not lying are fruits of the love that Christ will put in you
It is the same with our love for God.

Everything about the flesh leads to death..... from these verses, and it is the flesh that results in transgressing the law...
So is the solution to throw out the law or crucify the flesh.

If i throw out the law i have no need to worry about transgression anymore because no law will condemn me. i can live in the flesh and be free from bondage and sin because the law is not present. Easy.

OR.... i can walk in the Holy Spirit that gives life and frees me from disobeying the law. Perfect freedom in Christ because i am living like Him and it is thanks to the Spirit in me.

Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Satan is the king of reversal but the word is clear...

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
(We are not under law because we do not break the law and are not condemned by the law when the Spirit leads)
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

You said "i reject the Law and i embrace CHRIST".... Do you reject Jesus's words yet embrace Christ? Jesus said to keep the law.

TMS · Nov 27, 2021

DavidTree said:

How can you reject the law ... and allow the Spirit to write it on your heart and mind thru Christ... If you have rejected it how can it be accepted?

I am weak in the flesh and will continue to be in bondage to the law because of the flesh. But Jesus wants to give me the Spirit and write the law on my heart. If i crucify the flesh and allow the Spirit to live in me my life is changed and if i accept the justification i have freedom from past sins and accepting the Spirit today i have freedom from todays sins. Complete freedom in Christ. The law was not rejected but the flesh was.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. .......
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

You have rejected the laws completely? good or bad.

TMS · Nov 27, 2021

DavidTree said:

two laws ==
one was given to bring us to Jesus and it has been nailed to the cross
The other was present before sin and is what identifies sin.

There is still sin around today .....

DavidTree · Nov 27, 2021

TMS said:

How can you reject the law ... and allow the Spirit to write it on your heart and mind thru Christ... If you have rejected it how can it be accepted?

I am weak in the flesh and will continue to be in bondage to the law because of the flesh. But Jesus wants to give me the Spirit and write the law on my heart. If i crucify the flesh and allow the Spirit to live in me my life is changed and if i accept the justification i have freedom from past sins and accepting the Spirit today i have freedom from todays sins. Complete freedom in Christ. The law was not rejected but the flesh was.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. .......
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

You have rejected the laws completely? good or bad.

You said: "You are separating the Law from Christ and the Spirit... "

AMEN - you should also or you may end up seeking to please God in the Law as opposed to being in Christ

DavidTree · Nov 27, 2021

TMS said:

Do you want IN the Kingdom or do you want to wander in the wilderness as the Jews still do to this Day.

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Pick and choose you this Day whom you will serve = Law of Bondage or the Grace of God thru JESUS Christ alone

TMS · Nov 27, 2021

DavidTree said:

You are good at avoiding the questions?????

Can you understand the difference between
A Law
and being under a Law

If a law states that anyone that kills needs to be killed (a simple law) if i don't kill anyone, has that law got any power to accuse me, can the law kill me if i have not disobeyed it?

Jesus has done two things to free us from the condemnation of the law.

He paid and continues to pay the debt for us.
And has given us the Holy Spirit to obey the law.

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22,23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, ..... against such there is no law.

The law has not been changed and is not made void. We are free from the Law by grace and this does not mean we continue to break the law but we should surrender our flesh to Jesus and the Spirit will write the righteous and Holy law on our hearts and minds so that our character is sanctified day by day.

DavidTree · Nov 27, 2021

TMS said:

You Law keepers are always trying to sneak in the Law.

He did not pay the debt of the Law so that we could keep the Law - this is absurd.

Follow this which you correctly quoted:
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Gal 5:22,23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, ..... against such there is no law.

i have complete Peace in God thru Christ apart from the Law - AMEN

this in no way means i am 'lawless' as HE has written the law of Christ on my Heart - AMEN

TMS · Nov 27, 2021

We are going around in circles

I am not under the law by grace and i am free from the law by Gods holy Spirit. But i do not make it void through grace.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

If i keep the commandments because i love Jesus (NOT to be save but because i am saved) and i keep them by the power of Jesus living in me (not by my own strength) am i doing anything wrong?

TMS · Nov 27, 2021

DavidTree said:

so are you or are you not keeping the law?

TMS · Nov 27, 2021

DavidTree said:

He paid it...... do you like seeing Him suffer for your sins. He suffered for every sin and the debt was paid. do we continue to sin, break the law, and cause more debt to be on him.

If some paid your death penalty today with their life would you continue to break the law and do the same things that lead to your situation or would you change your life and aim to obey the law.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

DavidTree · Nov 27, 2021

TMS said:

He paid it...... do you like seeing Him suffer for your sins. He suffered for every sin and the debt was paid. do we continue to sin, break the law, and cause more debt to be on him.

If some paid your death penalty today with their life would you continue to break the law and do the same things that lead to your situation or would you change your life and aim to obey the law.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

DavidTree · Nov 27, 2021

TMS said:

You don't understand this passage of scripture do you.

i love it, for i am not under the Law but under His Precious Blood of Grace and the Holy Spirit.

therefore, i am not under the law, i am not in sin and i have His Hope in my spirit that keeps me purified even as HE is Pure.

This is where i am now and forever will be:

I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth.

I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one— I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me.

Father, I want those You have given Me to be with Me where I am, that they may see the glory You gave Me because You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

Righteous Father, although the world has not known You, I know You, and they know that You sent Me.
And I have made Your name known to them and will continue to make it known, so that the love You have for Me may be in them, and I in them.”

The more you speak of the law, the more the Holy Spirit fills me with the Joy of God's Sabbath REST = CHRIST.
AMEN

TMS · Nov 27, 2021

DavidTree said:

So are you saying that when you believe in Jesus you can't sin?
Are you saying that when you believe that Jesus paid the debt of the law (our sin) that you can't sin while you believe this?

If you claim that the Spirit keeps you purified even as He is pure the law has nothing against you and you don't need to make it void.

How does Sanctification work if there is no law or you are not under any law. ?

Jesus said go and sin no more.

ewq1938 · Nov 27, 2021

TMS said:

Jesus said to keep the law of Moses but this was during the time when the first covenant was still in effect. It doesn't apply under the second covenant.

Before the cross, obey the law of Moses.

After the cross, the law of Moses has been replaced. Obey the new law and forsake the old law.

DavidTree · Nov 27, 2021

ewq1938 said:

AMEN Brother, and Acts clearly demonstrates the movement of the Holy Spirit in transitioning us from the law into Grace.

“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
John 16

TMS · Nov 27, 2021

We agree that Jesus is the solution to Sin.
I believe that Sin is the transgression of the law and God wants to create in us a sinless heart by faith and grace, by having a relationship with Him, (Sanctification)
I believe that complete righteousness comes by the blood of Jesus who perfectly kept the law and we are seen as perfect law keepers by that gift of righteousness. (Justification).

We need to trust in Jesus not self. we need to trust in the Spirit not the flesh and the result will be a changed heart and a born again Christian.
If we believe but choose to continue in sin we .... ....
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
..... have dead faith.

DavidTree · Nov 27, 2021

TMS said:

Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.

Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love brother abides in death. Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?

My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

This is God's Sabbath REST = abiding in CHRIST
It can only be done thru the Holy Spirit = Acts ch1-ch2

SEE Post # 198

Duckybill · Dec 8, 2021

Nobody here obeys the Sabbath commands. But many pick the parts they like!

ewq1938 · Dec 8, 2021

Duckybill said:

Yeah. I call it "sabbath-lite". Do the easy parts, ignore the hard ones.

Duckybill · Dec 8, 2021

ewq1938 said:

Excellent!

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