FreeGrace2 said:
Where does the word "inbirth" come from? Why do you accept made up words from other posters? Do what the Bereans did; search the Scriptures to see if what the other poster said. Acts 17:11.
It was intended for someone else but accidentally included in my reply to you. Ignore it.
I always respond when I see something made up to look like biblical language. So, where did you get that non-biblical word from?
There is no such thing as "inbirth". There is "birth", and "new birth". There is NO "inbirth". Just as there is no "outbirth".
My point is it is for only certain specific individuals - those God chose, the number of which will be very large, but is not a blanket offer to everyone.
Titus 2:11 refutes your opinion. Rejecting that verse doesn't absolve you of your error.
If it was, that would mean that people who are incapable of understanding the Gospel, or do not have access to the Gospel, could never be saved because coming to faith would be dependent upon themselves, and therefore, their salvation would not be realized.
OK, let's go there. Infants, the mentally handicapped, etc. SINCE Christ did die for everyone, they are covered.
Such people are not accountable for the very reason you bring up. They have NO opportunity to understand, much less accept, the gospel promise. That's why Christ MUST die for everyone.
Otherwise, all such people would end up in the lake of fire.
But I've shown you the clear verses that Jesus died for everyone, so your continued arguing is simply against Scripture.
You know full well that there are NO verses that show that Jesus died ONLY for certain people.
If you did, then you'd have a biblical doctrine. otoh, I have shown you multiple verses that SAY clearly that Jesus died for all.
The vain attempt to argue that "all" doesn't always mean everyone is feckless. Only when the "all" is further defined to SHOW it doesn't mean everyone in history does it not mean just what it says.
Example: a teacher says says to her class, everyone will get to go to recess. It is obvious that she isn't referring to people that lived before her, or anyone OUTSIDE that classroom. So context definitely matters.
In the Bible, none of the "all" verses regarding who Christ died for include anything that justifies the Calvinist argument that "all" just means "all the elect", or "only the elect".
Again, you have zero evidence from Scripture for your opinion or Calvinist doctrine. It doesn't exist in reality.
On the other hand, with election, God Himself commits to saving those He has chosen with no exceptions or qualification to the promise.
Wrong on several levels. First, there are NO verses that show election is to salvation. That is just pure speculation. Second, the doctrine is "unconditional" election. If that were referring to salvation, then faith is ELIMINATED as a condition for salvation.
But we all know that faith is THE condition for salvation. Paul's answer to the jailer proves that soundly.
How do you explain what will happen to people who do not have access to the Gospel for whatever reason?
Romans 1-
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made,
so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Since God HAS revealed Himself to everyone, "people (all of them) are without excuse".
Romans 2-
14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the
requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
These verses show that God created mankind with a conscience, with which to know right from wrong.
Heb 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please God, because
anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
This verse alone shoots down reformed doctrines.
Your opinion. I'm done discussing this issue.
Without ammo, it's always a good idea to bow out.
FreeGrace2 said:
So, please square Mark 10:45 with Matt 7:13,14
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
I don't understand your point. Few proportionally speaking; very large in terms of real number.
Mark 10:45 says Christ died for the "many". Yet Matt 7 says only a "few" make it. What is obvious, or should be, is that "many" refers to the masses. iow, Christ died for the masses. That means everyone, just as all the "all" verses plainly say.
See my question regarding
what happens to those who can't believe, stated above
Did.