BORN AGAIN, A CHANGE IN BODY NOT IN MIND
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It would seem one should consider that the Body of Yeshua Jesus was being glorified during the forty days from His rise to the day of His ascension to His place at the Right Hand of the Father.
It has always been my understanding that His Body was translated into Its rightful state in Heaven.
It has always been my understanding that His Body was translated into Its rightful state in Heaven.
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I believe in a few kinds of birth
We are born from above, and born of water when we are born of our mothers womb FLESH
We are born from above/born again and born of water when we are re born through faith and baptism SPIRIT
We are born again when we pass from death of the earth flesh to the spiritual flesh CELESTIAL
With a change in heart and mind comes the physical change by the flesh no longer in control but coming in subjection of the spirit by the means of the words of God and the Holy Spirit.
We are born from above, and born of water when we are born of our mothers womb FLESH
We are born from above/born again and born of water when we are re born through faith and baptism SPIRIT
We are born again when we pass from death of the earth flesh to the spiritual flesh CELESTIAL
With a change in heart and mind comes the physical change by the flesh no longer in control but coming in subjection of the spirit by the means of the words of God and the Holy Spirit.
Ordinary water has no supernatural power. However the Gospel is THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION to them that believe (Rom 1:16). Therefore Peter wrote this (1 Pet 1:23-25):
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the Word which by the Gospel is preached unto you.
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the Word which by the Gospel is preached unto you.
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Being born of water is not referencing the Word.
Born of water is the physical birth of a child coming forth from the physical womb inside the physical mother and this place of child development is called the embryonic sac.
Thus the factual term of 'her water broke' of the expecting mother going into labor, when the embryonic sac wall breaks, thus releasing water and other fluids.
That which is flesh is flesh and that which is Spirit is Spirit.
Christ is the the Word and the Word is the Seed that is sown that is watered and that grows into the New Birth within the heart/mind/soul/spirit of a man.
There are THREE who Overcome the World = Read and pray and read and pray again the Gospel of John and do it a third time.
Born of water is the physical birth of a child coming forth from the physical womb inside the physical mother and this place of child development is called the embryonic sac.
Thus the factual term of 'her water broke' of the expecting mother going into labor, when the embryonic sac wall breaks, thus releasing water and other fluids.
That which is flesh is flesh and that which is Spirit is Spirit.
Christ is the the Word and the Word is the Seed that is sown that is watered and that grows into the New Birth within the heart/mind/soul/spirit of a man.
There are THREE who Overcome the World = Read and pray and read and pray again the Gospel of John and do it a third time.
This is about as bizarre as it can get. Jesus was the eternal and only begotten Son of God long before He came to earth. The resurrection of Christ was evidence that on the cross He Himself destroyed the power of sin and death, Hades and Hell, Satan and all his demons. Christ rose in the same body in which He was crucified, yet it was a special body which was not subject to human limitations.
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Which we see in Revelation chapter 1
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was One like the Son of Man, dressed in a long robe, with a golden sash around His chest. The hair of His head was white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes were like a blazing fire. His feet were like polished bronze refined in a furnace, and His voice was like the roar of many waters. He held in His right hand seven stars, and a sharp double-edged sword came from His mouth. His face was like the sun shining at its brightest.
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was One like the Son of Man, dressed in a long robe, with a golden sash around His chest. The hair of His head was white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes were like a blazing fire. His feet were like polished bronze refined in a furnace, and His voice was like the roar of many waters. He held in His right hand seven stars, and a sharp double-edged sword came from His mouth. His face was like the sun shining at its brightest.
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I see where you are going with this. It does sound plausible, but we need to add more scripture here to make it all fit. Unfortunately, others scriptures proves that what your stating to be in error. Thats okay, providing your can see the error and move away from it and move on.
An example of being in this flesh and being born again, 1 Pete 1:23, “Having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible by the word of God that liveth and abideth forever”.
This is how we know we have been born again, Romans 10:10, “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation”.
Our spirit is what is born again.
It was required that Christ not see corruption in His body as a testimony to His resurrection that He indeed was He that should come and showed Himself. If He had of rotted in anyway, that is the way He would have appeared. But, He didn’t see corruption.
The teaching that Christ was born again after his resurrection is false.
In order to interpret scripture, all scriptures must agree. If there is a hint of doubt, it must be analyzed and scrutinized until there is no doubt at all. That is why it says, “Search the scriptures, for in them, they will testify of Me”.
An example of being in this flesh and being born again, 1 Pete 1:23, “Having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible by the word of God that liveth and abideth forever”.
This is how we know we have been born again, Romans 10:10, “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation”.
Our spirit is what is born again.
It was required that Christ not see corruption in His body as a testimony to His resurrection that He indeed was He that should come and showed Himself. If He had of rotted in anyway, that is the way He would have appeared. But, He didn’t see corruption.
The teaching that Christ was born again after his resurrection is false.
In order to interpret scripture, all scriptures must agree. If there is a hint of doubt, it must be analyzed and scrutinized until there is no doubt at all. That is why it says, “Search the scriptures, for in them, they will testify of Me”.
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NO - absolutely not and the LORD specifically separated any type of fleshly outward method of obtaining Salvation.
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Many/most people whom the Father calls become Born-Again BEFORE they are water baptized.
i was truly Born-Again by the Spirit of God about a year BEFORE i was water baptized.
Water baptism is an outward display of the Faith and Obedience to the call of God on one's heart.
Water baptism cannot save anyone = only Faith in the Word and obedience to Him who calls us out of darkness.
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Many/most people whom the Father calls become Born-Again BEFORE they are water baptized.
i was truly Born-Again by the Spirit of God about a year BEFORE i was water baptized.
Water baptism is an outward display of the Faith and Obedience to the call of God on one's heart.
Water baptism cannot save anyone = only Faith in the Word and obedience to Him who calls us out of darkness.
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
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Maybe it is BOTH of them and everyone is correct. We have the fallen angels who LEFT their habitation and were never born of woman (womb) and as such NEVER get to come to repentance. That would be one way and then we have what you have written here. And we have
2 Corinthians 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2 Corinthians 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
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I did not know the discussion was about being saved or not and so was giving that as to another type of birth in which a change is made. Though I am in the same flesh as I was before it is different to me in that it is no longer in control, but the spirit is. To me it is different, and that was the only point I was trying to make. I understand baptism doesn't save as we have the thief on the cross that clearly makes that impossible.
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Is that why the rider on the first horse is given a crown and does not possess one of his own? Did Satan lose the 'prince of the power of the air' also when Christ rose? Do you know of a previous thread that addresses the destroying of Satan and all his demons at that time as I would like to see how that fits in with
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
