Daniel and Joseph

[Shilo]

Wondering about people’s thoughts on the similarities between the Joseph and Daniel stories.

Both Joseph and Daniel were exiled from home at a young age.

Both stories have them going through a time of testing. Joseph at Potiphar's house was accused of adultery. Joseph on how he would treat his brothers who betrayed him. Daniel tested through eating the king’s food and the lion’s den.

Both Joseph and Daniel are given new names,

Both Joseph and Daniel have the ability to interpret dreams for kings.

Both Joseph and Daniel have dreams

Both Joseph and Daniel are able to do what the wise men ( magicians ) of the gentiles could not.

Both Joseph and Daniel credit God for their abilities.

Both Joseph and Daniel were trusted by the king.

Both Joseph and Daniel are promoted to a high positions in the kingdom

A difference is Joseph lived and died in exile. Daniel when into exile but may have returned to the promised land.

 

[pottersclay]

My thoughts are that the story of joseph is more the picture of Jesus while the story of daniel gives us a insite on the results of the Babylonian captivity of the jews and how God can use his people even in captivity to be a mighty witness to his will and words.

 

[Nehemiah6]

A difference is Joseph lived and died in exile. Daniel when into exile but may have returned to the promised land.

You got the similarities well. But Daniel did not return to the promised land according to Scripture's silence. He may have been past 86 when he was in Persia, and could have died of old age.

 

[JaumeJ]

The writings of Daniel are half in Aramaic followed by the second half in Old Hebrew.
According to traditional history of the Jews this is because the first half was written in Babylon and the second upon his return to Israel.

 

[Shilo]

The writings of Daniel are half in Aramaic followed by the second half in Old Hebrew.
According to traditional history of the Jews this is because the first half was written in Babylon and the second upon his return to Israel.

Thank you! I have wondered why part of the book of Daniel was Aramaic and part in Hebrew.

 

[JaumeJ]

Thank you! I have wondered why part of the book of Daniel was Aramaic and part in Hebrew.

Now, if someone would tell me why Ezra is written in Aramaic, my curiosity would be satisfied??

Aside from Daniel and Ezra, we find words in Aramaic scattered here and there in much of the OT when reading the Hebrew.

 

[Jocund]

Both Joseph and Daniel are able to do what the wise men ( magicians ) of the gentiles could not.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but where is this conclusion drawn from?

 

[Shilo]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but where is this conclusion drawn from?

Gen 41:8In the morning his spirit was troubled, so he summoned all the magicians and wise men of Egypt. Pharaoh told them his dreams, but no one could interpret them for him. So Pharaoh sent for Joseph, who was able to interpret the dream.
Gen 41:39 Then Pharaoh said to Joseph, “Since God has made all this known to you, there is no one as discerning and wise as you.

Daniel 2:27 Daniel answered the king, “No wise man, enchanter, medium, or magician can explain to the king the mystery of which he inquires.
Dan 5:14 I have heard that the spirit of the gods is in you, and that you have insight, intelligence, and extraordinary wisdom.

 

[DavidTree]

The writings of Daniel are half in Aramaic followed by the second half in Old Hebrew.
According to traditional history of the Jews this is because the first half was written in Babylon and the second upon his return to Israel.

Joseph and Daniel both contain the First and Second Comings of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[DavidTree]

The writings of Daniel are half in Aramaic followed by the second half in Old Hebrew.
According to traditional history of the Jews this is because the first half was written in Babylon and the second upon his return to Israel.

Which is symbolic of the His First Coming (Aramaic/ His own did not receive Him for His speech/understanding of Scripture was foreign to them) where they did not recognize Him and then in His Second Coming HE speaks to them in their Hebrew language (Joseph revealing Himself to His Brethren).

 

[Shilo]

Both Joseph and Daniel were put into a pit or den that could have cost them their life.

 

[Shilo]

The story of Joseph appears to be showing reconciliation in the family. The story of Daniel seems to be about the longing and eventual fulfillment of reconciliation to the land.

 

[DavidTree]

Both Joseph and Daniel were put into a pit or den that could have cost them their life.

The Pit is symbolic of Death and coming UP out of the Pit is Resurrection.

 

[DavidTree]

The story of Joseph appears to be showing reconciliation in the family. The story of Daniel seems to be about the longing and eventual fulfillment of reconciliation to the land.

Reconciliation to God is recorded in both Joseph and Daniel.

 

[Shilo]

The life of Jesus is concealed in the story of Joseph and revealed in the New Testament. The story of Daniel is a picture of the true end times called out people of God. The people of God have now become like Jesus and care more about living their life for God and intercession for other people than selfish personal earthly goals. Daniel also contains prophecy and instructions for the Saints.

 

[jb]

The Pit is symbolic of Death and coming UP out of the Pit is Resurrection.

If you stick to the (literal) "facts" and not (imaginary) "symbolism" you'll arrive at the truth!

 

[Rondonmon]

My thoughts are that the story of joseph is more the picture of Jesus while the story of daniel gives us a insite on the results of the Babylonian captivity of the jews and how God can use his people even in captivity to be a mighty witness to his will and words.

Joseph was the Suffering Servant picture of the Messiah and David was the Conquering King picture. I don't think Daniel was in any wise a portrait of the Messiah.

 

[DavidTree]

If you stick to the (literal) "facts" and not (imaginary) "symbolism" you'll arrive at the truth!

However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

But as it is written:
“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[pottersclay]

Joseph was the Suffering Servant picture of the Messiah and David was the Conquering King picture. I don't think Daniel was in any wise a portrait of the Messiah.

I didn't say that I said he reminded me what a saint could do in captivity.