Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

[Pablo2021]

CONTINUED.....

As I went forth I knew what the 1290 did (AoD), we can all see that, so I started there, I also knew the 1260 was the Beast, so it all of the sudden hit me, Woooooo dude, if the Beast only comes forth at the 1260, and the 1290 happens 30 days before he 1260, then what I was always taught, that the Anti-Christ enters into the Temple, defiles it, and takes away the Sacrifice can not be true, and that made no sense to me at all, BUT...as I promised God, I would not just accept that there are contradictions anymore, so I said to myself, if the 1290 happens 30 days before the Anti-Christ conquers Israel/Jerusalem to become THE BEAST, who takes away The Sacrifice and places the Image into the Temple. Then, BOOM, Rev 13 then came into my mind, the False Prophet gets the people to make an IMAGE unto the Beast !! One point of emphasis matched. It might be the False Prophet, and then I remembered Jason (real name Yeshua) from my Dan. 11 studies, and he welcomed Antiochus into the Temple to offer a pig sacrifice unto Zeus and tried to Hellenize the Jews at that time or CHANGE THE CULTURE as in changing the TIMES & LAWS or TRADITIONS and CULTURES as I see it. So, I wondered to myself, well why wasn't it just stated matter of factly that this 1290 was a coming devious, Jewish High Priest False Prophet, I mean John was told about the coming False Prophet in 90ish AD. Then BOOM, it hit me, the Jews were only given a NUMBER (1290) because if they had of known a Jewish High Priest False Prophet traitor was coming, they would have killed every other Jewish High Priest for the next 500 or so years. Remember King Herod tried to kill baby Jesus via the prophetic scriptures. Thus Daniel was only given a VAGUE NUMBER (1290). John was given the False Prophet understanding in full because Jerusalem had already been sacked by 90 AD, thus Israel was basically no more until 1948 in all reality. Another cog fit.

So, the False Prophet will place the AoD (Image of the A.C. and COMING Beast) in the Temple, but what Sacrifice would he be taking away and why? If he was the Jewish High Priest, the taking away of a PROFANE Sacrifice didn't really make sense, AND I looking back, did not think, in all honesty that Jesus would ever say that the taking away of a PROFANE meat Sacrifice would or could defile the temple, the Temple would have to be cleansed first, and that meant the Jews would have to accept Jesus as heir Messiah, then the temple would be cleansed. I wondered when that happened, off I went to search. I saw in Zechariah 13:8-9 that 1/3 of the Jews REPENT and that 2/3 will perish, then the very next verse was Zechariah 14:1 and it said behold the Day of the Lord has come, so the Jews repent JUST BEFORE the Day of the Lord (1260 event), everything was fitting, the Jews do repent before the 1260 Day of the Lord, thus THE SACRFICE that is taken away by this Rogue Jewish High Priest (False Prophet) was Jesus Worship !!

Jesus doesn't care one whit about an EVIL MEAT SACRIFICE, that is a defilement in and of itself, Jesus is saying this wicked High Priest forbids Jesus Worship (takes away the Sacrifice and Oblation/Tribute) and PLACES the AoD Image of this E.U. President in the Temple, 30 days BEFORE this man conquers Jerusalem/Israel. Thus the A.C. is not the 1290, but did that match Daniel 9:27 I thought to myself, so I LOOKED, and it clearly says HE (Anti-Christ) CAUSES the AoD. Thus he gets his side kick to do his dirty work, just like Jason did for Antiochus 2200 years ago. The last thing that CHECKED OUT had always bothered me, I often wondered why the Anti-Christ would be allowed in the Temple and then him placing the AoD or being the AoD (he really isn't) would be allowed to happen BEFORE the Jews were warned to Flee Judea by God, that always seemed oxymoronic to me, I could not understand why God would not give the Jews a SIGN BEFORE the Beast conquered Jerusalem...........BOOM, the 1290 being the False Prophet settled that worry for me, of course I thought to myself, the Jews would get a 30 days heads up if the False Propet placed the AoD, thus Jesus' warning now made sense, when the Jews see the AoD as placed by this Jewish High Priest turncoat, they have 30 days to flee Judea before the A.C./Beast conquers Jerusalem, and they can only know this if they have been reading Matt. 24 (meaning they have to have already repented) AND if the 1335 was indeed the coming Two-witnesses time to show up (THE BLESSING). So I had to run that down now. Did the 1335 FIT the coming of the Two-witnesses callings and their timelines, off I went again.

Malachi 4:5-6 says that Elijah will be sent back BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord (1260) thus they have to show up BEFORE the Anti-Christ becomes the Beast at the 1260 event (DOTL event). We know via Zechariah 13:8-9 that the Jews repent BEFORE the coming DOTL also, so does the Two-witnesses timelines FIT the 1335? Yes, the final piece to the puzzle convinced me, everything fits for a reason, it is TRUTH. If the Two-witnesses and the Beast both have 1260 day Ordained Offices on this earth, and the Two-witnesses die BEFORE the Beast dies then they have to also SHOW UP BEFORE the Anti-Christ becomes the Beast !! That's simple math. Does that fit? Yes, the Two-witnesses DIE at the 2nd Woe, the Best DIES at the 7th Vial, so that wraps this up, the Two-witnesses have to show up BEFORE the Beasts 1260 conquering of Jerusalem, and since Malachi 4:5-6 says that Elijah turns Israel back unto God BEFORE the DOTL(1260) also, that means they have to be the 1335 blessing, thus the Jews know to FLEE Judea at the 1290, thus they can avoid getting killed by the Anti-Christ/Beast at the 1260.

Hello Rondonmon:

From what I have gathered after reading several of your posts, I see you’re considering the Two Witnesses (2W) to be on the scene 75 days before the middle of the week. if, then, the 2W are a blessing to Israel, wouldn’t it be critical for them to be telling their people who the Antichrist is (who by that time will have already be ruling for 1335 days)?

Now, the above question was firstly raised by Friend a day or two ago (re-read his post of yesterday at 4:42pm and others nearby)… Anyway, that type of question has made me think of more questions; for instance:

You say that nothing happens on the earth during the first half of the week, but that all of God’s wrath starts falling right in the middle (from day 1260) on…

Well, this makes me think of the various torments that unbelievers will be suffering: first, the 5-month pains making men longing to die; then, the sun scorching them with fire; then the gnawing pains on the beast and his kingdom.

Right here, seems to me the Beast is pretty devastated…; and all of a sudden: the kings of the East and their armies going to war??!! In such physical conditions??!!... So, I wonder, and at the same time I ask you:

How, When are the kings of the East going to be able to mobilize their multitudinous armies when they can hardly manage to mobilize themselves just to survive?... Plus do we see the kind of logistical efforts needed to gather all those armies at Har-Magedon?...

 

[ewq1938]

Again, SHOWED YOU the Seal #6 declaration hat the Wrath comes sooner. You just can't grasp it.

I'm not the one not grasping it. The 6th seal shows us events of the 7th trump but it's only a vision of what is to come. The events aren't happening when the seal is opened. The wrath of God comes at the 7th trump just as the bible says.

 

[Pablo2021]

CONTINUED.....

As I went forth I knew what the 1290 did (AoD), we can all see that, so I started there, I also knew the 1260 was the Beast, so it all of the sudden hit me, Woooooo dude, if the Beast only comes forth at the 1260, and the 1290 happens 30 days before he 1260, then what I was always taught, that the Anti-Christ enters into the Temple, defiles it, and takes away the Sacrifice can not be true, and that made no sense to me at all, BUT...as I promised God, I would not just accept that there are contradictions anymore, so I said to myself, if the 1290 happens 30 days before the Anti-Christ conquers Israel/Jerusalem to become THE BEAST, who takes away The Sacrifice and places the Image into the Temple. Then, BOOM, Rev 13 then came into my mind, the False Prophet gets the people to make an IMAGE unto the Beast !! One point of emphasis matched. It might be the False Prophet, and then I remembered Jason (real name Yeshua) from my Dan. 11 studies, and he welcomed Antiochus into the Temple to offer a pig sacrifice unto Zeus and tried to Hellenize the Jews at that time or CHANGE THE CULTURE as in changing the TIMES & LAWS or TRADITIONS and CULTURES as I see it. So, I wondered to myself, well why wasn't it just stated matter of factly that this 1290 was a coming devious, Jewish High Priest False Prophet, I mean John was told about the coming False Prophet in 90ish AD. Then BOOM, it hit me, the Jews were only given a NUMBER (1290) because if they had of known a Jewish High Priest False Prophet traitor was coming, they would have killed every other Jewish High Priest for the next 500 or so years. Remember King Herod tried to kill baby Jesus via the prophetic scriptures. Thus Daniel was only given a VAGUE NUMBER (1290). John was given the False Prophet understanding in full because Jerusalem had already been sacked by 90 AD, thus Israel was basically no more until 1948 in all reality. Another cog fit.

So, the False Prophet will place the AoD (Image of the A.C. and COMING Beast) in the Temple, but what Sacrifice would he be taking away and why? If he was the Jewish High Priest, the taking away of a PROFANE Sacrifice didn't really make sense, AND I looking back, did not think, in all honesty that Jesus would ever say that the taking away of a PROFANE meat Sacrifice would or could defile the temple, the Temple would have to be cleansed first, and that meant the Jews would have to accept Jesus as heir Messiah, then the temple would be cleansed. I wondered when that happened, off I went to search. I saw in Zechariah 13:8-9 that 1/3 of the Jews REPENT and that 2/3 will perish, then the very next verse was Zechariah 14:1 and it said behold the Day of the Lord has come, so the Jews repent JUST BEFORE the Day of the Lord (1260 event), everything was fitting, the Jews do repent before the 1260 Day of the Lord, thus THE SACRFICE that is taken away by this Rogue Jewish High Priest (False Prophet) was Jesus Worship !!

Jesus doesn't care one whit about an EVIL MEAT SACRIFICE, that is a defilement in and of itself, Jesus is saying this wicked High Priest forbids Jesus Worship (takes away the Sacrifice and Oblation/Tribute) and PLACES the AoD Image of this E.U. President in the Temple, 30 days BEFORE this man conquers Jerusalem/Israel. Thus the A.C. is not the 1290, but did that match Daniel 9:27 I thought to myself, so I LOOKED, and it clearly says HE (Anti-Christ) CAUSES the AoD. Thus he gets his side kick to do his dirty work, just like Jason did for Antiochus 2200 years ago. The last thing that CHECKED OUT had always bothered me, I often wondered why the Anti-Christ would be allowed in the Temple and then him placing the AoD or being the AoD (he really isn't) would be allowed to happen BEFORE the Jews were warned to Flee Judea by God, that always seemed oxymoronic to me, I could not understand why God would not give the Jews a SIGN BEFORE the Beast conquered Jerusalem...........BOOM, the 1290 being the False Prophet settled that worry for me, of course I thought to myself, the Jews would get a 30 days heads up if the False Propet placed the AoD, thus Jesus' warning now made sense, when the Jews see the AoD as placed by this Jewish High Priest turncoat, they have 30 days to flee Judea before the A.C./Beast conquers Jerusalem, and they can only know this if they have been reading Matt. 24 (meaning they have to have already repented) AND if the 1335 was indeed the coming Two-witnesses time to show up (THE BLESSING). So I had to run that down now. Did the 1335 FIT the coming of the Two-witnesses callings and their timelines, off I went again.

Malachi 4:5-6 says that Elijah will be sent back BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord (1260) thus they have to show up BEFORE the Anti-Christ becomes the Beast at the 1260 event (DOTL event). We know via Zechariah 13:8-9 that the Jews repent BEFORE the coming DOTL also, so does the Two-witnesses timelines FIT the 1335? Yes, the final piece to the puzzle convinced me, everything fits for a reason, it is TRUTH. If the Two-witnesses and the Beast both have 1260 day Ordained Offices on this earth, and the Two-witnesses die BEFORE the Beast dies then they have to also SHOW UP BEFORE the Anti-Christ becomes the Beast !! That's simple math. Does that fit? Yes, the Two-witnesses DIE at the 2nd Woe, the Best DIES at the 7th Vial, so that wraps this up, the Two-witnesses have to show up BEFORE the Beasts 1260 conquering of Jerusalem, and since Malachi 4:5-6 says that Elijah turns Israel back unto God BEFORE the DOTL(1260) also, that means they have to be the 1335 blessing, thus the Jews know to FLEE Judea at the 1290, thus they can avoid getting killed by the Anti-Christ/Beast at the 1260.

NOTICE: My replies to this thread above won't always fully relate to its content; but I've taken it as a basis to somehow give continuity to the things I would like to ask Rondonmon about the seals, the trumpets and the bowls of wrath. Thank you

About the 6th Seal (6S). So far, I have understood that you equal the 6S with part, or the fulfillment of, Rev 8 (hail, fire, the asteroid impact, etc., covering the first 4T). Then, my question would be:

Since the 6S also reveals that every mountain and island is moved out of their places (Rev 6:14), then:

--When would this particular moving of mountains and islands be happening (at the beginning, the middle or the end of the second half the trib??)

And: Is it literal? Is it symbolic?
What and How about the armies of the kings having to travel so they get on time and safe and sound for battle?

 

[Pablo2021]

the first 4T

"The first 4T" stands for "the first 4 Trumpets"...

Seals: 1S, 2S, etc.
Trumpets: 1T, 2T, etc.
Bowls of Wrath: 1B, 2B (or: Vials of Wrath: 1V, 2V, etc.)

 

[Friend]

"""Rondonmon says that no one will know who the beast is until His Image goes into the temple"""
Could you clarify;
Do you mean they will not know he is the false Christ?
Or that they will not know he is the white horse ride of the 4 horsemen?

Calculating the Man​

A treaty comprehends knowing the person you are in the treaty with; which comprehends Israel's exemption from the 666; Free to rebuild the Temple on the traditional site functioning even functional before the middle of the week; This places the ratification and signing of the treaty at the beginning of the week (A child could ascertain this point)
therefore, (((At Day One of this Seven Year period of time))) the two parties in the treaty/agreement (are) the two witnesses/Israel and The Anti-Christ/Beast/The Nations/666 who are spilling blood everywhere (except for Israel) before retribution is Poured out on 666.

Dan 9:27 “And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”

This is God first making the beast our footstool before We come to completely destroy it.

Heb 10:12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, 13 """waiting from that time onward""" UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.​

What does a New Song Do? It accounts for all the memories and experiences having taken place before it. Before they could sing this song everyone who were destined to be killed (like Moses and Elijah) had to be there. Because only they would be able to completely relate to this time period. Yes, there will be those killed in the following 1256.5 days who will be raised to reign with WHO? (((those who are already in heaven))). Therefore, the semi-final completion of the first Resurection, with the final at the end of the thousand years.​

LOOK at the scene in heaven: (chapter 15) (showing everyone there in the temple) SINGING THE (((NEW))) SONG OF MOSES AND THE LAMB; but What happens "AFTER THESE THINGS": The temple opens revealing the same seven angels that sounded the trumpets; But now they having Bowls/Viles made ready to pour out on WHO!!! Thats right 666. This means that Anti-Christ's/the Beast's/666's forty-two months Got Used Up/Game over for the 666, and time for the new game in town call Wrath/Retribution. So after closing the doors of the temple behind them; YES """after these things""" comes the time for ("""the one that is decreed""")

Dan 9:27 “And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”

That is the ones having already spilled the blood: 666 is going to have to drink blood for having spilled all the blood: (Bowl/Vile 3). But what does It say before this *(Bowl/Vile 1): Yes that's Right; It will be poured out on 666/malignant sores, and will still have malignant sores by the time of Bowl/Vile 5.

Rondonmon's narrative is so grossly and obviously distorted from the start. Rondonmon is asserting that the (((two witnesses))) Who are Prophets (who stand in God's presences) are not having any knowledge of who they signed the treaty with. And he is outright stating there is no rime or reason to all the calculations provided in what is by far the most metaphoric and calculation rich passages in all the scriptures.

 

[Friend]

"""Rondonmon says that no one will know who the beast is until His Image goes into the temple"""
Could you clarify;
Do you mean they will not know he is the false Christ?
Or that they will not know he is the white horse ride of the 4 horsemen?

So Rondonmon's encounter with a spirit is the precedence for throwing the words of scripture and even common sense out the window; and yet God is calling on those with insight to "calulate" the beast's name and his number?

This is completely unhinged from any true knowledge of the book of Revelations, and falls into line with the Long Standing narrative/Doctrine of the Great Harlot/RCC, who from the times of their Champion/Saint/Hippolytus of Rome; Has Planted the Seeds of Anti-Semitism (firstly in Europe) but now the whole world. It is only in recent History, that by agency of Her spin doctors she is trying patch up all of Her treacheries of the Past.

Isa 47:13 “You are wearied with your many counsels; Let now the astrologers, Those who prophesy by the stars, Those who predict by the new moons, Stand up and save you from what will come upon you.

The Beast that She embraced even the astrologer for Her Final Makeover: Constantine the Great; took the sign of the cross (superimposed on the sun) as the standard for Her legacy of following the beasts of the earth. But She is Hopelessly tethered to the plagues She's taken out into all the world/The "Potter's" field is now the rest of the earth, a cemetery for foreigners in every land/field She's encroached; purchased with the proceeds of Blood/Betrayal of those who rightly posses the nations.

Act 17:26 Peter Says: He/God made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation. But Nimrod/Babylon the Great was destined to first cross all the rivers, before crossing all the Oceans/Seabeast; in order to Regather all of Her Children dispersed from Her (first Tower).

Isa 47:15 “So have those become to you with whom you have labored, Who have trafficked with you from your youth; Each will wandered in his own way; There is none to save you.

Rev 17:4 The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality...

Isa 24:19 The earth is broken asunder, The earth is split through, The earth is shaken violently.

Isa 30:25 On every lofty mountain and on every high hill there will be streams running with water on the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.

Rev 16:18 There were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty.

Isa 14:21 “Prepare for his/Satan's sons a place of slaughter, Because of the iniquity of their father they must not arise again and take possession of the earth, And again fill the face of the world with their cities.”

Rev 16:19 (((The great city))) was split into (((three parts))), and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

Rev 18:21 Then a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer.

Here in the following: Don't let Rondonmon deceive you: Notice that their are still oceans; therefore not talking about new heaven and earth, in which, there are "no longer any oceans". So, during the Same Great Earthquake that Destroys Babylon the Greats very fragile towers, splitting Her Great City (((into Three Pieces))) but look what happens to Jerusalem.

Zec 14:8 And in that day living waters will flow out of Jerusalem, half of them toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea; it will be in summer as well as in winter. 9 And the LORD will be king over all the earth; in that day the LORD will be the only one, and His name the only one. 10 All the land will be changed into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem; but Jerusalem will rise and remain on its site from Benjamin's Gate as far as the place of the First Gate to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king's wine presses. 11 People will live in it, and there will no longer be a curse, for Jerusalem will dwell in security.

Almost three and a half years earlier (when only a tenth of Jerusalem fell) this is the earthquake creating the valley escape route, splitting through the mount of olives. And notice this valley splits through to the Mediterranean sea all the way to the Dead Sea (which is turned fresh) turning it into an abundant fishery. But note that the waters flowing out of the temple's Subterranean Aqueduct do not start flowing until after the final earthquake (Almost three and a half year later). It is already well known; there is a massive (natural) subterranean aqueduct that runs deep under Jerusalem, and there is already the fault line, (east to west) through the mount of olives: God preparing everything beforehand.

 

[ewq1938]

Since the 6S also reveals that every mountain and island is moved out of their places (Rev 6:14), then:

--When would this particular moving of mountains and islands be happening (at the beginning, the middle or the end of the second half the trib??)

After the tribulation has ended:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The same events are described regarding the return of Christ.

the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light = the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth = And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth

and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken = the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together

hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains = all the tribes of the earth mourn

And: Is it literal? Is it symbolic?

I don't think God is moving mountains to completely new places. I think it's more related to hurricanes and earthquakes.

What and How about the armies of the kings having to travel so they get on time and safe and sound for battle?

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Moving armies using miracles can move them safely as well as very quickly.

 

[Friend]

So Rondonmon's encounter with a spirit is the precedence for throwing the words of scripture and even common sense out the window; and yet God is calling on those with insight to "calulate" the beast's name and his number?

This is completely unhinged from any true knowledge of the book of Revelations, and falls into line with the Long Standing narrative/Doctrine of the Great Harlot/RCC, who from the times of their Champion/Saint/Hippolytus of Rome; Has Planted the Seeds of Anti-Semitism (firstly in Europe) but now the whole world. It is only in recent History, that by agency of Her spin doctors she is trying patch up all of Her treacheries of the Past.

Isa 47:13 “You are wearied with your many counsels; Let now the astrologers, Those who prophesy by the stars, Those who predict by the new moons, Stand up and save you from what will come upon you.

The Beast that She embraced even the astrologer for Her Final Makeover: Constantine the Great; took the sign of the cross (superimposed on the sun) as the standard for Her legacy of following the beasts of the earth. But She is Hopelessly tethered to the plagues She's taken out into all the world/The "Potter's" field is now the rest of the earth, a cemetery for foreigners in every land/field She's encroached; purchased with the proceeds of Blood/Betrayal of those who rightly posses the nations.

Act 17:26 Peter Says: He/God made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation. But Nimrod/Babylon the Great was destined to first cross all the rivers, before crossing all the Oceans/Seabeast; in order to Regather all of Her Children dispersed from Her (first Tower).

Isa 47:15 “So have those become to you with whom you have labored, Who have trafficked with you from your youth; Each will wandered in his own way; There is none to save you.

Rev 17:4 The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality...

Isa 24:19 The earth is broken asunder, The earth is split through, The earth is shaken violently.

Isa 30:25 On every lofty mountain and on every high hill there will be streams running with water on the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.

Rev 16:18 There were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty.

Isa 14:21 “Prepare for his/Satan's sons a place of slaughter, Because of the iniquity of their father they must not arise again and take possession of the earth, And again fill the face of the world with their cities.”

Rev 16:19 (((The great city))) was split into (((three parts))), and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

Rev 18:21 Then a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer.

Here in the following: Don't let Rondonmon deceive you: Notice that their are still oceans; therefore not talking about new heaven and earth, in which, there are "no longer any oceans". So, during the Same Great Earthquake that Destroys Babylon the Greats very fragile towers, splitting Her Great City (((into Three Pieces))) but look what happens to Jerusalem.

Zec 14:8 And in that day living waters will flow out of Jerusalem, half of them toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea; it will be in summer as well as in winter. 9 And the LORD will be king over all the earth; in that day the LORD will be the only one, and His name the only one. 10 All the land will be changed into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem; but Jerusalem will rise and remain on its site from Benjamin's Gate as far as the place of the First Gate to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king's wine presses. 11 People will live in it, and there will no longer be a curse, for Jerusalem will dwell in security.

Almost three and a half years earlier (when only a tenth of Jerusalem fell) this is the earthquake creating the valley escape route, splitting through the mount of olives. And notice this valley splits through to the Mediterranean sea all the way to the Dead Sea (which is turned fresh) turning it into an abundant fishery. But note that the waters flowing out of the temple's Subterranean Aqueduct do not start flowing until after the final earthquake (Almost three and a half year later). It is already well known; there is a massive (natural) subterranean aqueduct that runs deep under Jerusalem, and there is already the fault line, (east to west) through the mount of olives: God preparing everything beforehand.

By far the craziest part of Rondonmon's Allusion, is the idea of an image going into the temple; That is, troops barging into their temple, and somehow they don't know who this image is until then!! Well Rondonmon I will give you a clue: they know who he is because he has a great army that is breathing down their necks. That's why they enter into the treaty in the first place!!! That's why the two witnesses are in sackcloth and prepared for war; because they are watching what the beast is doing in regards to the 666 inquisition; that is, terrorizing everyone else on the planet; for this cause skirmishes breaking out all over the earth; and guess what; this is what is depicted after the breaking of the 2nd seal; Peace having been taken away from the whole earth. But your Gospel is one of complete devastation of the PROMISE LAND!! rather than a city twice being captured, but only briefly.

 

[Friend]

I'm not the one not grasping it. The 6th seal shows us events of the 7th trump but it's only a vision of what is to come. The events aren't happening when the seal is opened. The wrath of God comes at the 7th trump just as the bible says.

Amen Brother: And all one has to do is to look at a Hebrew Calendar to see that the trumpets begin in the first part of the SEVENTH month.

 

[Pablo2021]

After the tribulation has ended:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The same events are described regarding the return of Christ.

the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light = the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth = And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth

and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken = the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together

hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains = all the tribes of the earth mourn





I don't think God is moving mountains to completely new places. I think it's more related to hurricanes and earthquakes.




Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Moving armies using miracles can move them safely as well as very quickly.

Thank you for letting me know the answers you're giving, ewq1938.

 

[Friend]

Genesis 7:4 [see context vv.2-5]-

Berean Study Bible
For seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living thing I have made.”

King James Bible
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

NASB 1995
“For after seven more days, I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will blot out from the face of the land every living thing that I have made.”

[in the Matt24 text where it says, "and THEY KNEW NOT UNTIL"... the "they" is not referring to Noah]

Hello Brother: Not quite sure where you were going with this, So I will say this: It is a given that Noah would be in close contact with His God, God giving him (the heads up) before it was going happened. The water raised Noah and His Family Up with the very substance/water that drowned the others... So only the unbelieving are going into the the tribulations. Staying within the context of What Jesus is pointing out does not stop short of providing two more witness: That is two more witnesses showing those who are taken, and the others left behind; for a total of three witnesses showing the same idea. With verse 42 sealing up what Jesus wanted up to know. The principal that: What we can not calculate needs to happen; when thereafter it's just a matter of calculating of Metaphors, mathematics, and paying very close attention to what is being said. Thanks for replying!

Mat 24:37 "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 8 "For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
40 "Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
41"Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left. 42 "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming...

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[ewq1938]

Thank you for letting me know the answers you're giving, ewq1938.

Let me know if you have any questions. Basically 6th seal speaks of post-trib events, 7th trump second coming etc. I used colors to show how various events match.

 

[Friend]

After the tribulation has ended:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The same events are described regarding the return of Christ.

the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light = the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth = And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth

and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken = the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together

hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains = all the tribes of the earth mourn





I don't think God is moving mountains to completely new places. I think it's more related to hurricanes and earthquakes.




Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Moving armies using miracles can move them safely as well as very quickly.[/QUOT]

Brother the 2nd Trumpet is indicating a third of the Shipping on the seas destroyed. chapters 18 showing a massive shipping industry. The Six Trumpet showing what most are agreeing are symbols of modern weaponry. The armies from the east need the Euphrates Dry for easy crossing into the Promise Land. The beast coming out of the sea comprehends the final expansion of Nimrod/Babel/Babylon with the bow/targeted killing 1st Seal having first taken the offensive crossing rivers; but now the Seabeast/Babylonian The Great, using all the pathways of the seas to conquer the world.​

 

[Absolutely]

Hello Brother: Not quite sure where you were going with this, So I will say this: It is a given that Noah would be in close contact with His God, God giving him (the heads up) before it was going happened. The water raised Noah and His Family Up with the very substance/water that drowned the others... So only the unbelieving are going into the the tribulations. Staying within the context of What Jesus is pointing out does not stop short of providing two more witness: That is two more witnesses showing those who are taken, and the others left behind; for a total of three witnesses showing the same idea. With verse 42 sealing up what Jesus wanted up to know. The principal that: What we can not calculate needs to happen; when thereafter it's just a matter of calculating of Metaphors, mathematics, and paying very close attention to what is being said. Thanks for replying!

Mat 24:37 "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 8 "For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
40 "Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
41"Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left. 42 "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming...

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Not only that, but Jesus goes into the 10 virgin story in the same breath where he lays out the same ratio taken.... ( five gathered, five left behind)

 

[TabinRivCA]

Well, I'm going in the Rapture, the catching up of His beloved. God never brings His wrath upon His kids.

 

[Friend]

Let me know if you have any questions. Basically 6th seal speaks of post-trib events, 7th trump second coming etc. I used colors to show how various events match.

Joe 2:31 “The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood "Before" the great and awesome day of the LORD comes.​

Act 2:20 ‘THE SUN WILL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, "BEFORE" THE GREAT AND GLORIOUS DAY OF THE LORD SHALL COME.​

The following is corrected​

Rev 6:17 "Because the great day of their wrath *G2064/"is coming", and who is able to stand?"

*G2064 ἔρχομαι érchomai, er'-khom-ahee; middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the (present) and (imperfect tenses).

When Revelation's manuscripts were not seeing the light of day this forgery was the basis of Saying, "Jerusalem and the Jews are the Great Harlot" and that "Jerusalem is going to be destroyed by the seventh bowl." These statements were the norm in Europe and much of the world, But modern times and critical examination of the manuscripts has revealed much more than this; That is the Six Seal and the Sixth trumpet having been switch long ago; to support the narrative of a people having been cursed by their Lord.

Switching these back where they rightly belong, properly aligns the Euphrates crossing with the Six Trumpet, and the Celestial blackouts/blood "Before" the seventh Bowl, where Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20, and a corrected Rev 6:17 (present tense) forces us to place them.​

 

[Friend]

Not only that, but Jesus goes into the 10 virgin story in the same breath where he lays out the same ratio taken.... ( five gathered, five left behind)

Absolutely Awesome Brother: I learned something new today! Thanks! A new weapon of righteousness in the arsenal!

 

[Rondonmon]

Hello Rondonmon:

From what I have gathered after reading several of your posts, I see you’re considering the Two Witnesses (2W) to be on the scene 75 days before the middle of the week. if, then, the 2W are a blessing to Israel, wouldn’t it be critical for them to be telling their people who the Antichrist is (who by that time will have already be ruling for 1335 days)?

Why? God has a SIGN for them to flee Judea at the 1290 AoD event, so God will protect all of those Jews who repent, God allows the earth to get the leader/King they deserve, just like he did Israel when they demanded a king. The coming Anti-Christ is who will slay the 2/3 of the Jews who refuse to repent unless thy take the Mark of the Beast, so why would the Two-witnesses warn them when God says he will not be revealed until the 1260 middle of the week? Its God's designed plan to crush Israel, therefore they have to repent and trust in Him, the Anti-Christ is the last part of the 70th week Judgment, just like Greece and Rome were a part of that judgment also, etc. etc. The WISE will understand, I know he's born in Greece and comes to power in the E.U. already, but is not a needed understanding per se, God will protect them in the Petra/Bozrah Wilderness Himself.

Now, the above question was firstly raised by Friend a day or two ago (re-read his post of yesterday at 4:42pm and others nearby)… Anyway, that type of question has made me think of more questions; for instance:

I knew where you got it from and chose not to answer him on purpose, its a wase of time with him tbh. He's down the Armstrong rabbit hole.

You say that nothing happens on the earth during the first half of the week, but that all of God’s wrath starts falling right in the middle (from day 1260) on…

Well, this makes me think of the various torments that unbelievers will be suffering: first, the 5-month pains making men longing to die; then, the sun scorching them with fire; then the gnawing pains on the beast and his kingdom.

Right here, seems to me the Beast is pretty devastated…; and all of a sudden: the kings of the East and their armies going to war??!! In such physical conditions??!!... So, I wonder, and at the same time I ask you:

How, When are the kings of the East going to be able to mobilize their multitudinous armies when they can hardly manage to mobilize themselves just to survive?... Plus do we see the kind of logistical efforts needed to gather all those armies at Har-Magedon?...

Most people don't get why the whole world hates the Two-witnesses and rejoices when they die. Sending gifts to each other (which I think may be just God illustrating their relief, more so than them actually sending gifts), the fact is the Two-witnesses, who I think are Elijah and Moses, will do what Moses did in Egypt, they will pray down each plague, the world will have a reason to hate them, after 5 months of constant STINGING PAIN (as if by a Scorpion), after the Trumpet Judgements wipe out a 1/3 of the world with many deaths, after the 200 Million Angelic Army in Woe #2 kills 1/3 of all men who has the Mark of the Beast (at that time the 2-witnesses die), they rejoice, not understanding the Two-witnesses have already prayed down the 3rd Woe before they died, which is the 7th Trump, which contains all 7 Vials in it. When one reads the 7 Vials, we see that the 6th Vial the Angel pours clears the path for the kings of the East (Iran/Iraq portion of the Symbolical Beasts, the Anti-Christ being born in Greece and coming to power in Europe takes care of all 4 Beasts being judged symbolically here).

If we notice, it says the Kings of the WHOLE WORLD are gathered to fight God Almighty, so why even mention the Kings of the East and the Euphrates River? Because God is showing us that He is judging ALL of the Beasts in history at one time, the kings of the East (Persia and Babylon) the Greek and Roman Beasts in that the Anti-Christ is born in Greece and comes to power in Europe. So why even mention the Euphrates River? The Kings are gathered from the WHOLE WORLD !! Its only mentioned because God is letting us know He is judging ALL Governments of ALL TIME who ever burdened His peoples, be it Israel or the Christian Saints. This is also how we know who Babylon is, in Revelation 16:19 God says He gave his WRATH unto Babylon the Great, well, who did Jesus defeat in verse 19 ? The 6th Vial says the KINGS of the WHOLE WORLD, so Babylon is the Whole World under Satan. Of course, Babel means confusion, and Satan leads the world by confusing them so much that they fight against their own loving Creator, thus Babel/Babylon is an apt description !!

BUT........by the 6th Vial the Vial of the angel prepares the way, so we now do not have the first 5 Vials going on, yes God has hurt these men, made them feel pain for 5 months, killed a 1/3 of them, etc. etc. etc. so now, the way is cleared for them to fight, do I think God has to dry up a river for a modern army to cross? Of course not, that is also symbolic in nature, God pours our one vial at a time, the 6th Vial stops all the other 5 Vials or maybe just the 5th Vial, maybe each vial stops the previous, either way, the path being cleared for them to gather and fight obviously means God stops targeting them for a time in order to allow them to try and get revenge against God and Israel, but Jesus will show up at the 7th Vial and SPEAK VICTORY !! Amen. This is another testament against them, after all of their punishment, they still refused to repent of their evil ways, in their hearts they hate God just like they hated the Two-witnesses. Jesus will slay them WITHOUT HAND !!

So, think of it more like this I have a million man Army and so do you. I get the upper hand for about 3 years and I kill 1/3 of your army, torture them, cause them 5 months of continuous pain, and I have your whole army hemmed up into a corner etc. etc. and all of the sudden I allow them to regather, to reconstitute without any more warfare against them, they are so mad, so angry, their leader {you...... } whips them into a frenzy, telling them its time for revenge, its time to get even, its time to go to war, and so your army regathers, goes to make war against my Army, but I now have this new machine where I can just push one button and wipe your whole army out. That is kind of what happens via the 7 Vials, they get a chance to REGROUP at the 6th Vial, their path is made clear, and its not a River drying up, modern day armies do not need rivers to dry up in order to cross them, the "River is the QUASI OBSTACLE", but the real obstacle in this case is the 7 Trumpet Judgements and the 7th Trump which has 7 Vials in it (3rd Woe). The 6th Vial gives them hope, thus they all gather at Armageddon and Jesus simply shows up and SPEAKS VICTORY, as Daniel chapters 2 and 7 or 8 says, they are defeated WITHOUT HAND !! Amen.

 

[Pablo2021]

The Day of the Lord = God's Wrath which starts in the Middle of the week (70th week). When Joel uses the word BEFORE if you look it up, it means FACE, like standing before the presence or in the presence of someone, so the moon will turn to blood in the presence of the Day of the Lord, or in other words during God's 1260 days of Wrath.

Via my Massoretic Hebrew Study Bible http://qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/joel/2.html#31


Joel 2:31 The sun 8121 shall be turned 2015 z8735 into darkness, 2822 and the moon 3394 into blood, 1818 before 6440 the great 1419 and the terrible 3372 z8737 day 3117 of Yähwè יָהוֶה 3068 come. 935 z8800

#6440 פָּנִים paniym {paw-neem'} pl. (but always as sing.) of an unused noun פָּנֶה paneh {paw-neh'}

from H6437; TWOT - 1782a; n m
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) face
1a) face, faces
1b) presence, person
1c) face (of seraphim or cherubim)
1d) face (of animals)
1e) face, surface (of ground)
1f) as adv of loc/temp
1f1) before and behind, toward, in front of, forward, formerly,
from beforetime, before
1g) with prep
1g1) in front of, before, to the front of, in the presence of,
in the face of, at the face or front of, from the presence of,
from before, from before the face of
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

Plural (but always used as a singular) of an unused noun (פָּנֶה paneh, {paw-neh'}; from H6437); the face (as the part that turns); used in a great variety of applications (literally and figuratively); also (with prepositional prefix) as a preposition (before, etc.):
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)

So, this event doesn't happen BEFORE God's Wrath falls, it happens because God's Wrath falls, or in the presence of God's Wrath, or more a modern times rendering would say, the moo will turn to blood DURING the coming DOTL.

The Great Supper is basically Armageddon. The Church "Metaphorically" dines on the wickeds flesh.



Most people do no grasp what God is saying in Rev. 11:1-3, by telling John to MEASURE with a reed, God is simply telling John to UNDERSTAND (Measure) the Tw-witnesses Ministry on this earth, thus by paying CLOSE ATTENTION we can see who they are called unto, and why !!

Rev. 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein (Jews). 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

So, what does all the above tell us? Well, God told John the Two-witnesses ministry is unto the Jews ONLY, take Measurement of the Temple of God, the Altar AND ONLY those who worship therein, no Gentiles you see were ever allowed in the Tempe of God, only Jews, the Jews built an Outer Court (Wailing Wall is the Outer Court) where the Gentiles could visit and worship. So, by God telling John NOT TO MEASURE the Outer Court (Gentiles portion) He was basically telling John an d us the Two-witnesses calling/ministry was unto the Jews only, as Malachi 4:5-6 tells us.

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

So, the Two-witnesses are sent to TURN Israel back unto God, AND as a witnesses unto the Gentiles of God's coming Wrath, and to BRING THAT Wrath via THEIR Prayers. Notice in Rev. 8, the Prayers of the Saints are before God and this God ACTS and casts down fire onto earth. So, just like Moses held up the staff tp brig the 10 plagues, these coming Two-witnesses who I see as Elijah and Moses (who were both at the transfiguration of Jesus) will be charged with not only praying down these plagues, but also with telling the whole world what they are about to see in every instance, just like Moses did in Egypt. This is why the whole world HATES THEM, and sends gifts to each other when they die. But they are ONLY SENT to turn the Jews back unto God, which they do, the time of the Gentiles are over, the Gentile Church is now in Heaven.

Rondonmon:

By looking at your link above and the rest of your word research on the Hebrew word pānîm/G6440, I can see why you’re interpreting Joel 2:31 the way you do” —… the moon will turn to blood in the presence of the Day of the Lord.”…

But the same bibliographical source that you’re citing is showing that pānîm/G6440 is also used as a preposition of time, making full sense when quoting the sentence in full form:

“… the moon will turn to blood BEFORE THE DAY of Eternal/Yaweh COMES

Peter too, in citing Joel, put it this way:

Acts 2:20 “The sun willl be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before/Gr.2228 that great and notable day of the Lord comes/Gr.2064”.

It’s about a literal day here, not a course of 1260 days. Rev 6:12-17 describes one single event or a multifaceted-event happening happening in one day.

 

[Rondonmon]

NOTICE: My replies to this thread above won't always fully relate to its content; but I've taken it as a basis to somehow give continuity to the things I would like to ask Rondonmon about the seals, the trumpets and the bowls of wrath. Thank you

About the 6th Seal (6S). So far, I have understood that you equal the 6S with part, or the fulfillment of, Rev 8 (hail, fire, the asteroid impact, etc., covering the first 4T). Then, my question would be:

Since the 6S also reveals that every mountain and island is moved out of their places (Rev 6:14), then:

--When would this particular moving of mountains and islands be happening (at the beginning, the middle or the end of the second half the trib??)

And: Is it literal? Is it symbolic?
What and How about the armies of the kings having to travel so they get on time and safe and sound for battle?

Sure, notice its spoken of as if its a GREAT EARTHQUAKE in each instance. (Rev. 8:5, in Rev. 11:13 and in Rev. 16:18-19)

Thus, the Rev. 8:5 (Trumpet Judgment) should be the Rev. 6 Seal Prophetic Utterance !!

Rev. 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

So, as verse 16 shows us, the Mountains are still in place, just MOVED AROUND as an Earthquake is wont to do, and the Islands are moved out of their place. What would to this all over the world, especially in 1/3 of the world more so than the rest of the world?

A huge Asteroid Impact would be like no earthquake ever seen by mankind and the Tsunamis would cover up every Island in the Pacific Ocean if that's where it hits, I think it will be. Jesus will destroy a part of the world where he's not going to reign 1000 years, plus the E.U. has to be able to fight and assemble a Gov., more than likely, we would probably have 50-100 foot Tsunami waves in the Pacific Ocean.

Thus guy does a simulation, and it shocked him..........

What if Apophis hits the earth

So, the Rev. 8 IMAPCT is in the middle of the week, thus that will be the Rev. 6 and Rev. 8 "Earthquake", which simply means a reverberation, or shaking of the earth. Asteroid Impacts will indeed shake the earth like no Earthquake ever seen. Plus the fires will devastate the trees for 2000 miles, the Russia Asteroid that blew up just before it hit the earth, knocked down trees for 2000 miles, the Apophis asteroid is twice as big. They say Canada has 1/3 of all the trees on earth, interesting tidbit if true. I an actual impact is far worse, an explosion in the air of course diminishes the devastation, the explosion goes up int the air also, and down, but an actual impact is far more devastating.