Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

Absolutely · Dec 21, 2021

!!!FOR ONE WEEK!!!

Dan 9:27 “And he will make a firm treaty with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”

In order for there to be a 7 year treaty with the Beast... Israel will know who the beast is from when it was first agreed upon. So the beast appears and people know who He is Imediatly, That's why the first seal is first; because that is what first happens. Temperarly, (until the middle of the week) Israel is not having to obey the 666 mandate But all of the rest of the world is... All this will be the fulfillment of Prophecy that the whole world knows is coming because of Prophecy. The Seventh trumpet sounding is indicative of the Six Trumpets Before it, as having already happening, AS IT SAYS even comprehending delays (((Even immediately before))) the seventy trumpet sounds its all finished, The Enemy becomes God's footstool. but not yet destroyed. But the whole world (Except For Israel) will have been enduring the The 666 inquisition up till the time of the broken treaty, when thereafter, (God Through Angels) pours out His Wrath, on those who were conducting the 666. The Ark of the Covenant Arriving in heaven is symbolic of the dead of Israel being raised (with their leaders) the two witnesses; Before the bowls of wrath begin, when everyone is singing THE "NEW SONG" in the temple, (THE SONG OF MOSES AND THE LAMB) singing this song before the temple is briefly opened, with the seven Bowl Angel coming out, Then no one can enter the temple until the bowls of wrath are finished. Its taken more that a thousand pastors and twenty two years in order for us to all have agreed upon these things... And because of the Harlot's Traditions (that we were all made to drink) (((was corrupted with leaven long ago))). After all The Great Harlot Had to Make it look like Israel and Jerusalem were all going to be destroyed, when it was she herself that would be destroyed forever... We (multi-denominational-pastors) have had the advantage of working together (in order to solve) what is the Greatest Mystery, even The Greatest Literary Work (that is the book of revelations) The World Will Ever Know. And this Gospel of the Kingdom will go out as a testimony to all the nations, before end can come...

That's what I was telling you brother If you get one event of revelations wrong them it turns into a twisted mess.

"""That's what I was telling you brother If you get one event of revelations wrong them it turns into a twisted mess"""

Ok
I see this all the time in the rapture debate.
Daniel has so much conjecture in it due to vast " interpretations"

Daniel has to to be filtered through the new testament.

Btw where do you stand in the rapture timing?

Absolutely · Dec 21, 2021

Friend said:

Amen Brother: Here is a key verse: Jesus indicating there being more than one DOTLord pending; and notice the plural forms, and various end time scenarios provided here, and elsewhere in the scriptures.

Luk 17:22 And He/Jesus said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it.

Brother I agree: Firstly the context of Noah's times: That no one could have possibly known the exact moment it was going to rain; because it had never rained before. This is Jesus providing the scenario where no one could have possibly know, saying that we should always remain at alert!! The context is that of people completely unconcerned and carrying on as if there was nothing out of the ordinary, nothing to be concerned about. Jesus follows with two more examples showing people going about their normal business; but where one is taken and the other left behind. The main point of it all: water providing Salvation/the word lifting them up, with the same word/water purging the wicked from the earth.

With the wicked; well, it's always a matter of disregarding the fine details, setting their hearts on the traditions of those having terrorized the earth/The Great Harlot.

Mat 24:38-42 "For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 "Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41"Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left. 42 "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming.

hardly anyone sees what you are seeing.

" before the flood" and "one taken/ left...watch and be ready"

Those verses go COMPLETELY over most peoples head.

They think the one taken is evil people removed.
And " before the flood" is just some warning to wicked people.
Totally backwards.
Plain bizarre.

Rondonmon · Dec 21, 2021

ewq1938 said:

Again, you do not understand how to interpret the bible, especially prophecy my brother.

The Seals are NOT JUDGMENTS (I think you liked that point I made the other day

so when the 6th Seal POINTS us to God's coming Wrath it paints us a picture of what that Wrath will entail, and we see that Wrath with the First Four Trumps in Rev. 8.

The Wrath of the Lamb (God)

Rev. 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake(asteroid impact); and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood(see Joel 2:31 it MATCHES); 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth(Asteroid and/or Satan/Demons cast to earth), even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Now we can look at Rev. 8 and see this Asteroid Strike, the burning of the Trees, which causes smoke to get up in the Jetstream and travel around the earth, and block out the sun, moon and stars lights by 1/3, and it causes the moon to turn blood red via the fires on earth making the moon look blood red to the human eyes (red hue effect).

Rev. 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

So, we see the First Four Trumps are God's Wrath, AS ARE the last three Trumps which brings God's 1st, 2nd and 3rd Woes onto mankind. God's Wrath lasts for 1290 days, from the MIDWAY POINT unto Jesus Second Coming, so the Rev. 12 statement is a FACT God's Wrath has come.

If we started watching a football game with Bama vs. Tennessee and the first quarter was 30 -0 Bama, then in the fourth quarter, with the score now being 66-0, it was announced by the person doing the game that the Bama BEATDOWN had come, well, yes that would be true, but the BEATDOWN started, and thus actually came in the first quarter of the game, so that which is NOT STATED in one place, really has not bearing on when it started. We see by looking at he 6th Seal tat Jesus' Wrath and thus God's Wrath starts with the First Four Trumps. Joel calls it the Day of the Lord.

It seems hard for you to put it all together, than when shown you made a simple mistake, your pride will not allow for those errors, whereas I love being reproved by God, thus I know I am learning TRUTHS of God. Humble yourself brother and accepts Go's truths, we are mere humans, we don't know everything. The Holy Spirits answer to my prayers was "Ron, you guys already know it all" That HUMBLED ME 5-6 years ago, thus I was able to break free from the MIND BONDAGE that I knew everything. And learn to lean, in full, on Gid who indeed does KNOW EVERYTHING.

ewq1938 said:

The LAST BEAST Arises out of the Fourth Beast, AMONGST the 10 (Europe).

Now read Dan. 7:23-25 very carefully. (I will add verse 3 and verses 11-12 to tie it all together)

Dan. 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. (So ALL 4 were different)
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Dan. 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed,(the LAST BEAST is a MAN) and given to the burning flame. 12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
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Dan. 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,(that's a GIVEN because of verse 3 ABOVE right? But there is an ADDED TWIST) and shall devour the whole earth,(We know this means ALL the Land spoken of or ALL the Mediterranean Sea Region by reading Dan. 2:38-39 ) and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them(Little Horn/A.C./Beast); and he shall be diverse from the first,(Rome not Babylon) and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

So what is HE called in Dan. 7:11? Well the HE is the Little Horn/Anti-Christ and HE is called a BEAST, thus we have 5 Beasts in Daniel, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome AND the HE BEAST, notice in verse 12 it says the OTHER BEASTS had their Dominion taken away, but lived on fir a time and a season. So, Was not Rome's dominion taken away? But the LAST BEAST that arose amongst the 10 (Europe) REGAINED the Dominion by Conquering Israel again and thus healing he wound of the 7 Headed Beast, the WOUND represents this Figurative 7 Headed Beast losing its Dominion over Israel and the region.

Why is HE diverse from Rome? Because Rome had MANY Kings and the Dominion passed from one man unto another, this LAST BEAST will both ARISE and FALL without ever passing his Beast Power on unto another, unlike all of the other four Beasts, this Beast both ARISES as the Beast and Then FALLS or is cast into hellfire as THE BEAST.

Friend · Dec 21, 2021

Absolutely said:

Rondomon is saying no one knows who the beast is until after Israel is Conquered!

Yes Brother: It would be crazy to say that the two Prophets/witnesses who stand in the presence of our Lord/olive branches, would not know who they are dealing with. Like their not knowing who they entered the treaty with. This is to say that Two Prophets that were tormenting the Beast's Constituents 666 are going Know who their beast is before his Image shows up in the temple. Because they were commanded to make his image. But Rondonmon said no one will know who the beast is until He conquers Israel. Rondonmon is insinuating that people would not know who the beast is, Yet His Armies will be crossing the Euphrates, which is the prerequisite before the battle can start..

Friend · Dec 21, 2021

Absolutely said:

Exactly Brother: Jesus describes at least three different scenarios: one for His disciples (the sprouting on trees) indicative of something that can be timed plus or minus a week or two because trees bud every year plus or minus a week... This is so they would not be caught, so they could get out of Jerusalem (well before) August of 70AD so they were not "Trapped" So this is the earliest fulfiment of "ONE OF THE DAYS OF THE LORD" Therefore one of the days that Jesus and even Daniel prophesied about.

Hey Everybody: Sounding the trumped here: notice the plural form: Jesus telling us!!!

Luk 17:22 And He/Jesus said to the disciples, “The day(s) will come when you will long to see one of the day(s) of the Son of Man, and you will not see it.

Yes Brother: I use to think it was Bizarre to: But what does it say: They are given over to a spirit of deception so they believe the lie... Because they were adding leaven to word of God/tradition; They Believe in an adulterated Gospel,,, They are not believing in the unleavened Bread...

Pablo2021 · Dec 21, 2021

Rondonmon said:

Amen, brother, I will wait till tomorrow (about naming Yeshua in a person-type of way.)

One more thing: You might know by now I've been following yours, Absolute's, Friend's and other members comments on this thread about the tribulation; so, I'd like to ask you, what did you mean in the following statement you address to Friend just recently:

(quote):

"I destroy all your bad positions, I see you are one of those RCC is the eat guts, thus you lose all cred at that point with me, PERIOD."

Speaking, more specifically, of the red-colored part:

So far, I think you're using "RCC" to stand for "Roman Catholic Church" --correct me if I'm wrong.

But the sentence as a whole... I wonder if it's just a typo? So, please help me understand what you meant. Thanks.

(below, I copied and pasted your reply I' talking about)

Rondonmon
Senior Member
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Yesterday at 11:28 PM
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Friend said:
Oh Rondonmon you are the king of disinformation; Rondonmon says there are five beasts in Daniel, But look what I Highlighted in red: That there are Four Beasts/Empires, and clearly this was evident as being the context of everything I wrote in regards to the Four Empires of Nebuchadnezzar's Great Image; Stating that Babylon was first, then Medo-Persia, Greece, and Ancient Rome. And I was stating that Cyrus issued the decree to rebuild Jerusalem... Fair warning about Rondonmon: Always read everything from the person He is Quoting; almost everything I've seen Rondonmon post looks like a disinformation campaign.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness
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I destroy all your bad positions, I see you are one of those RCC is the eat guts, thus you lose all cred at that point with me, PERIOD.

Notice the Iron Legs AND then the Iron & Clay Feet? That is not ONE BEAST. I can't help that you can't grasp it. But I can see why you fail to grasp anything, you are down the ole Armstrong rabbit hole.

Rondonmon · Dec 21, 2021

Pablo2021 said:

Yes, The whole RCC is the Beast guys lose cred with me......Just as the Joel Richardson types who are "The Beast is an Islamic Jihadi type" do.

Pablo2021 said:

This below is what Armstrong I was referring unto, most of them know him, thus they never reply, some I imagine get into thus and do not even know where it came from.

Armstrongism is about Hubert W. Armstrong's positions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrongism

He was really weird, he founded the Church of God, all of these Doctrines flow from him.

Pablo2021 · Dec 21, 2021

Rondonmon said:

Yes, The whole RCC is the Beast guys lose cred with me......Just as the Joel Richardson types who are "The Beast is an Islamic Jihadi type" do.

This below is what Armstrong I was referring unto, most of them know him, thus they never reply, some I imagine get into thus and do not even know where it came from.

Armstrongism is about Hubert W. Armstrong's positions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrongism

He was really weird, he founded the Church of God, all of these Doctrines flow from him.

Thanks for clarifying the statment I asked you about.

Rondonmon · Dec 21, 2021

Pablo2021 said:

Y E S H U A IN THE TANAKH
(The Name of JESUS in the Old Testament)

Arthur E. Glass

In dealing with my Jewish brethren for the past many years in Canada, the United States, Argentina and Uruguay. I had one great difficulty, and it was this: My Jewish people would always fling at me this challenging question,

"If Jesus is our Messiah, and the whole Old Testament is about Him, how come His name is never mentioned in It even once?"

I could never answer it satisfactorily to their way of thinking, and I admit I often wondered why His name was not actually written in the Old Bible. Oh, yes, I could show them His divine titles in Isaiah 7:14, 9:6 and Jeremiah 23:5,6, and even the word MESSIAH in several places; but the Hebrew name that would be equal to Jesus, that I could not show. Then one day the Holy Spirit opened my eyes, and I just shouted. There was the very NAME, Jesus, found in the Old Testament about 100 times all the way from GENESIS to HABAKKUK! Yes, the very word - the very NAME - that the angel Gabriel used in Luke 1:31 when he told Mary about the Son she was to have. "Where do we find that NAME?" you ask. Here it is, friend: Every time the Old Testament uses the word SALVATION (especially with the Hebrew suffix meaning "my," thy," or "his"), with very few exceptions (when the word is impersonal), it is the very same word, YESHUA (Jesus), used in Matthew 1:21. Let us remember that the angel who spoke to Mary and the angel who spoke to Joseph in his dream did not speak in English, Latin, or Greek, but in Hebrew; and neither were Mary or Joseph slow to grasp the meaning and significance of the NAME of this divine Son and its relation to His character and His work of salvation. For in the Old Testament all great characters were given names with a specific and significant meaning.

For example, in Genesis 5:29, Lamech called his son Noah [Comfort], saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and tell of our hands. In Genesis 10:25, Eber calls his firstborn son, Peleg [Division]; for in his days was the earth divided. The same is true of Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob (changed to Israel-God's Prince), and all of Jacob's sons (see Genesis, chapters 29-32). In Exodus 2:10, Pharaoh's daughter called the baby rescued from the Nile, Moses [Drawn-Forth]: and she said, Because I drew him out of the water. And so we can go on and on to show the deep significance of Hebrew names.

Now then, when the angel spoke to Joseph, husband of Mary, the mother of our Lord, this is what he really said and what Joseph actually understood: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus [YESHUA (SALVATION)]: for he shall save [or salvage] his people from their sins. (Matthew 1:21). This text was so forcibly brought home to my soul soon after I was converted over 24 years ago, that I saw the whole plan of the Old Testament in that one ineffable and blessed NAME.

So let us proceed to show clearly the Hebrew name YESHUA
(Greek = Iesus English = Jesus) in the Old Testament.

When the great Patriarch Jacob was ready to depart from this world, he by the Holy Spirit was blessing his sons and prophetically foretelling their future experiences in those blessings. In verse 18 of Genesis 49 he exclaims, I have waited for thy salvation, 0 Lord! What he really did say and mean was, "To thy YESHUA (Jesus) I am looking, 0 Lord"; or, "In thy YESHUA (Jesus) I am hoping (trusting), Lord!" That makes much better sense.

Of course YESHUA (Jesus) was the One in Whom Jacob was trusting to carry him safely over the chilly waters of the river of death. Jacob was a saved man, and did not wait until his dying moments to start trusting in the Lord. He just reminded God that he was at the same time comforting his own soul.

In Psalms 9:14, David bursts forth, I will rejoice in thy salvation.
What he actually did say and mean was, "I will rejoice in (with) thy YESHUA (Jesus)."

In Psalm 91:14-16 God says, Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high [raise him above circumstances], because he hath known my name. He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him and honor him. With long life [eternal life] will I satisfy him, and show him my [YESHUA (Jesus)] salvation. Of course. That promise is realized in Revelation 22:3, 4: And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it: and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see HIS face.

In Isaiah 12:2, 3 we have something wonderful. Here SALVATION is mentioned three times. The reader will be much blessed by reading these glorious verses in his Bible, but let me give them as they actually read in the original Hebrew with Jesus as the embodiment and personification of the word SALVATION: Behold, might (or, God the mighty One) is my YESHUA (Jesus-in His pre-incarnation and eternal existence); I will trust and not be afraid:, for JAH-JAHOVAH is my strength and my song; He also is become my YESHUA (Jesus).... And the WORD (Jesus incarnate) became flesh, and dwelt among us. (John 1: 14). ... Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of YESHUA [Jesus - waters of salvation flowing forth from Golgotha]."

Something very interesting occurred one spring in St. Louis: I was visiting in the home of our friends, Brother and Mrs. Charles Siegelman, and another Jew was present there. He claimed Jewish orthodoxy for his creed. Of course the conversation centered around Him Who is the Center of all things -- Jesus. This good Jewish brother opposed the claims of Yeshua in the Old Testament verbally, and in a friendly fashion, most violently. His best offensive weapon, he thought, was to fling at me and at all of us there the well-known challenge: "You can't find the name of 'Jesus' in the Old Testament;" and this he did.

I did not answer him directly, but asked him to translate for us from my Hebrew Bible, Isaiah 62:11. Being a Hebrew scholar, he did so with utmost ease, rapidly, and correctly; and here is what and how he translated that text verbatim: Behold, Jehovah has proclaimed unto the end of the world. Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold thy YESHUA[ Jesus] cometh; behold, His reward is with Him, and His work before Him. Just then he crimsoned as he realized what he had done and how he had played into my hands, and he just fairly screamed out, "No! no! You made me read it 'thy YESHUA' Jesus], Mr. Glass! You tricked me!" I said, "No, I did not trick you, I just had you read the Word of God for yourself. Can't you see that here SALVATION is a Person and not a thing or an event? HE Comes, 'HIS reward is with HIM, and His work before him.' Then he rushed at his own Old Testament, talking away frantically saying, "I'm sure mine is different from yours." And when he found the passage, he just dropped like a deflated balloon. His Old Testament was, of course, identical. All he could use as an escape from admitting defeat was to deny the divine inspiration of the book of Isaiah.

Then skipping on to Habakkuk, we have the greatest demonstration of the NAME "Jesus" in the Old Testament; for here we have both the name as well as the title of the Savior. In Habakkuk 3:13 we read literally from the original Hebrew: Thou wentest forth with the YESHA [variant of ESHUA-Jesus] of [or for] thy people; with YESHUA thy MESSIAH [thine Anointed One: i.e., with Jesus thy Anointed] thou woundest the head of the house of the wicked one [Satan]. Here you have it! The very NAME given to our Lord in the New Testament - JESUS CHRIST! So don't let anyone - Jew or Gentile - tell you that the Name JESUS is not found in the Old Testament. And so when the aged Simeon came to the Temple, led there by the Holy Spirit, and took the baby Yeshua in his arms, he said, Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: For mine eyes have seen thy salvation [YESHUA (Jesus)] (Luke 2:29-30). Certainly! Not only did his eyes see God's Salvation - God's YESHUA (Jesus) - but he felt Him and touched Him. His believing heart beat with joy and assurance as he felt the loving heart of God throbbing in the heart of the holy infant YESHUA.

And thou shalt call his name Jesus (SALVATION = YESHUA); for he shall save [salvage] his people from their sins!

Yesha’yahu – Isaiah 53:1-12

Isaiah 53 in Hebrew should appear here.

How about you? Have you received your Redeemer, the Stone whom the builders rejected?

In Him is life, light and joy and in His sacrifice is forgiveness of sin.

ewq1938 · Dec 21, 2021

Rondonmon said:

I showed from scripture that the wrath of God begins at the 7th trump and in this long reply, you did not address that one single time. Instead you ranted about completely different things. Obviously my interpretation is not only better, it goes unchallenged.

The wrath begins at the 7th trump:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Here it clearly states that God's wrath has come after the 7th trump sounds. Clearly God's wrath hadn't been coming for a long time before this or else the statement would be meaningless.

Pablo2021 · Dec 21, 2021

Rondonmon said:

The Two-witnesses die and the 2nd Woe, just before the 7th Trump, the middle of the week is the First Trump, so they do not die in the middle of the week, but just before the Beast dies at the end of the 3rd Woe, via the 7th Vial in Rev. 16:19. The book of Revelation is not in Chronological Order, thus it confuses people. The Rapture happens Pre Trib, not during the middle of the 70th week.

The SACRIFICE (1290) that is taken away (forbidden) is Jesus Worship by the Jews in the Temple of Gd AFTER the Jews repent AFTER the Two-witnesses return to get them to repent at the 1335 (Two-witnesses show up 1335 days before the Second Coming). The False Prophet forbids this Jesus Worship, AND places an IMAGE of the E.U. President (Anti-Christ) in the Temple just like Jason (real name Yeshua) did during Antiochus Epiphanes reign, when he welcomed Antiochus into the temple to offer a sacrifice unto Zeus and tried to Hellenize the Jews, leading to the Maccabean Revolt. So, Antiochus was the Anti-Christ TYPE and he had a False Prophet TYPE in Jason.

The SACRIFICE is not a stupid, profane meat sacrifice, its Jesus Christ. A meat sacrifice is profane before God as we speak also so how could the Temple be PROFANED by taking away a PROFANED sacrifice? The Jews repent at the 1335, when the BLESSING COMES (Two-witnesses) just before Israel gets conquered 75 days later by the Anti-Christ who then becomes THE BEAST for 1260 days.

1335 comes FIRST
1290 happens 45 days later
1260 happens 3 dats AFTER the 1290

All of these numbers happen exactly THAT MANY DAYS before the Second Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS which Daniel was shown in Dan. 11:36-45.

I must recognize I haven't been able to understand the dates and times in years that you are assertiing about here. And, so, I would like to know if anyone here has been able to understand it. But in the meantime, would you bear up with me and explain it again so I can understand these timings (1290, 1335, etc.,) please?

Once I can understand these periods, will I be able to reply properly. Thanks

Friend · Dec 21, 2021

Absolutely said:

Because of the Rapture, early on many are going to know who the False Christ is; There will be millions of people killed because they will absolutely refusing to take the mark of the beast. The second it starts to rain the people will know that Noah, "the preacher of righteousness" was not crazy for building the boat. But after that it is too late. Moses an Elijah being prophets, will be telling the people of God who they are serving. Moses and Elijah will be famous for their resistance.

Brother: Yes you are correct that Daniel is the basis for the book of Revelations; but the book of Revelations is the Chronology all the way: Thanks be to God's wisdom, that Jesus was not even knowing the exact timing. The Book of Revelations is the exact timing of everything. The tell tale sign of the false prophet is any narrative where the numbers or imagery are not matching. Since your are having the Spirt of God, obvious things appear as obvious. The Harlot wants us to draw near to her. but we can't draw near to her; otherwise we are defiled, but she can be nothing more than defiled.

Pablo2021 · Dec 21, 2021

Rondonmon said:

The SACRIFICE (1290) that is taken away (forbidden) is Jesus Worship by the Jews in the Temple of Gd AFTER the Jews repent AFTER the Two-witnesses return to get them to repent at the 1335 (Two-witnesses show up 1335 days before the Second Coming). The False Prophet forbids this Jesus Worship, AND places an IMAGE of the E.U. President (Anti-Christ) in the Temple just like Jason (real name Yeshua) did during Antiochus Epiphanes reign, when he welcomed Antiochus into the temple to offer a sacrifice unto Zeus and tried to Hellenize the Jews, leading to the Maccabean Revolt. So, Antiochus was the Anti-Christ TYPE and he had a False Prophet TYPE in Jason.

The SACRIFICE is not a stupid, profane meat sacrifice, its Jesus Christ. A meat sacrifice is profane before God as we speak also so how could the Temple be PROFANED by taking away a PROFANED sacrifice? The Jews repent at the 1335, when the BLESSING COMES (Two-witnesses) just before Israel gets conquered 75 days later by the Anti-Christ who then becomes THE BEAST for 1260 days.

1335 comes FIRST
1290 happens 45 days later
1260 happens 3 dats AFTER the 1290

All of these numbers happen exactly THAT MANY DAYS before the Second Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS which Daniel was shown in Dan. 11:36-45.

(ERROR) -SORRY: I SHOULD'VE SAID: "I haven´t been able to understand these dates in DAYS that you are asserting here....

BUT I'D SAY I'M CLOSER TO UNDERSTAND YOUR PROPOSED CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS RELATING THE TWO WITNESSES...
TALK TO YOU LATER

Pablo2021 · Dec 21, 2021

Rondonmon said:

THINGS LIKE THESE ARE hard for me to understand:

"1260 happens 3 daYs AFTER the 1290"

So, I insist this really needs clarification on a timeline-type graph or something that could make it easier to understand.

I have to move on. Talk to you about this when you're ready. Thanks.

Rondonmon · Dec 21, 2021

Pablo2021 said:

The 1260 happens 30 days AFTER the 1290, not 3 days. This is the only site I have ever seen that has a 5 Minute edit. I have a lot going on, if I spend 25-30 minutes on a post, sometimes I am being called to do a chore and don't have tine to edit on the spot, so it is what it is. Sorry on that, I just don't get the 5 minute edit limit.

As per the 1335, 1290 and 1260 I can indeed explain it in depth, God blessed me with this while I was doing an Exegesis on Dan. 11 (and 12) and I researched every king, how they came to power, etc. etc. and wrote t down, because I got tired of telling people, this is just too complicated to explain. God thus rewarded me, I found a man in History and in the book of Maccabeans, named Jason, real name Yeshua, who was a dead ringer for the coming False Prophet, and he was appointed the Jewish High Priest by Antiochus after he bribed Antiochus, thereby having his real brother, a Pious High Priest named Onias III killed. He welcomed Antiochus into the temple to make a sacrifice unto Zeus, and he then tried to Hellenize the Jews leading to the Maccabean Revolt.

Here is the thing that amazes me, I did not understand who he was (TYPE False Prophet) even after I wrote this blog. Only when looking back later, and trying to finish Dan. 12 up to his importance hit me like a ton of bricks, and only because I did this work could I understand what the 1335, 1290 and 1260 actually mean. Basically, no one understanding this, because they have pre determined understanding that are WORLD WIDE FALSEOODS, kind of like the 144,000 Super Preachers tat can't be found anywhere in the bible. What I do now, is when I come to any contradiction, I don't just move on, I keep on until God gives me the answers, and in these end times He wants to do just that. So all the 1000 different understandings of what the 1260, 1290 and 1335 were had become not only amusing to me, but a major challenged. I was not moving on until I understood this riddle !! I can tell you now why everyone gets this wrong, but I will do that at the very end.

So, as I finished up Dan. 11:36-45 I knew that was about the Anti-Christ and as I started on Dan. 12 I saw verses 1 and 2 kind of go with Dan. 11:36-45 in all reality, as a matter of fact, after I did 11 and 12 I understood later that Daniel chapters 10, 11 and 12 are ONE CONTINUOS SESSION of Angels and Jesus (Man in Linen( showing Daniel things or WONDERS as was stated in Daniel 12. So, in Dan. 11:36-45 and even in Dan. 12:1-3 we see Daniel is told about how at the vey end Michael will stand up to protect Israel, and at that time the Saints will be raised.

THEN.......................The interpretation BELOW its going to be too long

Rondonmon · Dec 21, 2021

Dan. 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

{{{ So, the above finishes up Dan. 11:36-45, the Anti-Christ's RULE, then his coming END, and the above tells what the Anti-Christs end time rule will bring, troubles like never before, BUT................Michael will protect Israel, then the Righteous will be raised up and live forever. }}]

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. 5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two(2 Angels), the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen(Jesus), which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

{{{ The above is THE KEY along with verse 9. One of the Angels ask Jesus (Man in linen) HOW LONG SHALL IT BE UNTIL ALL THESE WONDERS END, and since Daniel had just been shown the Anti-Christs rule and his ultimate end as seen in Daniel 11:36-45 and even Dan. 12:1-3, we know THESE WONDERS are speaking about the Beasts 1260 day rule (or as stated in verse 7 a Time, Times and a Half[time], and thus after the Beast conquers he holy peoples (Israel) all of these WONDERS Daniel had been shown will end in 1260 days !! Well, what ENDED IT ? Of course, the Second Coming of Jesus ends the Beasts rule, Daniel did not know that, be we do !! Amen. }}}

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

{{{ NOTICE, Daniel asks the EXACT SAME QUESTION that the Angel asked and then Jesus gives him two more numbers, that is when it hit me like a TON OF BRICKS, all of these numbers have the exact same symmetry, God is not changing anything up, they all mean a certain number of days until ALL THESE WONDERS END (via the Second Coming of Jesus), thus the 1335 comes first and the 1290 comes next, the the 1260 is the last event to happen. Now I had to figure out what these EVENTS were and if they jibed with the bible or if I was just seeing ghosts. Try the spirits to see of they be of God. }}}

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

{{{ So, I had a good theory, these days were a set number of days until ALL THESE WONDERS ENDED via Jesus' Second Coming, but could I put forth events that matched these "TIMINGS" and peg them as such where people could understand my points or was I just seeing things I thought to myself. So, off on the journey I went, and I came to understand it all, and why people got confused. SEE BELOW }}}

CONTINUED............

Rondonmon · Dec 21, 2021

CONTINUED.....

As I went forth I knew what the 1290 did (AoD), we can all see that, so I started there, I also knew the 1260 was the Beast, so it all of the sudden hit me, Woooooo dude, if the Beast only comes forth at the 1260, and the 1290 happens 30 days before he 1260, then what I was always taught, that the Anti-Christ enters into the Temple, defiles it, and takes away the Sacrifice can not be true, and that made no sense to me at all, BUT...as I promised God, I would not just accept that there are contradictions anymore, so I said to myself, if the 1290 happens 30 days before the Anti-Christ conquers Israel/Jerusalem to become THE BEAST, who takes away The Sacrifice and places the Image into the Temple. Then, BOOM, Rev 13 then came into my mind, the False Prophet gets the people to make an IMAGE unto the Beast !! One point of emphasis matched. It might be the False Prophet, and then I remembered Jason (real name Yeshua) from my Dan. 11 studies, and he welcomed Antiochus into the Temple to offer a pig sacrifice unto Zeus and tried to Hellenize the Jews at that time or CHANGE THE CULTURE as in changing the TIMES & LAWS or TRADITIONS and CULTURES as I see it. So, I wondered to myself, well why wasn't it just stated matter of factly that this 1290 was a coming devious, Jewish High Priest False Prophet, I mean John was told about the coming False Prophet in 90ish AD. Then BOOM, it hit me, the Jews were only given a NUMBER (1290) because if they had of known a Jewish High Priest False Prophet traitor was coming, they would have killed every other Jewish High Priest for the next 500 or so years. Remember King Herod tried to kill baby Jesus via the prophetic scriptures. Thus Daniel was only given a VAGUE NUMBER (1290). John was given the False Prophet understanding in full because Jerusalem had already been sacked by 90 AD, thus Israel was basically no more until 1948 in all reality. Another cog fit.

So, the False Prophet will place the AoD (Image of the A.C. and COMING Beast) in the Temple, but what Sacrifice would he be taking away and why? If he was the Jewish High Priest, the taking away of a PROFANE Sacrifice didn't really make sense, AND I looking back, did not think, in all honesty that Jesus would ever say that the taking away of a PROFANE meat Sacrifice would or could defile the temple, the Temple would have to be cleansed first, and that meant the Jews would have to accept Jesus as heir Messiah, then the temple would be cleansed. I wondered when that happened, off I went to search. I saw in Zechariah 13:8-9 that 1/3 of the Jews REPENT and that 2/3 will perish, then the very next verse was Zechariah 14:1 and it said behold the Day of the Lord has come, so the Jews repent JUST BEFORE the Day of the Lord (1260 event), everything was fitting, the Jews do repent before the 1260 Day of the Lord, thus THE SACRFICE that is taken away by this Rogue Jewish High Priest (False Prophet) was Jesus Worship !!

Jesus doesn't care one whit about an EVIL MEAT SACRIFICE, that is a defilement in and of itself, Jesus is saying this wicked High Priest forbids Jesus Worship (takes away the Sacrifice and Oblation/Tribute) and PLACES the AoD Image of this E.U. President in the Temple, 30 days BEFORE this man conquers Jerusalem/Israel. Thus the A.C. is not the 1290, but did that match Daniel 9:27 I thought to myself, so I LOOKED, and it clearly says HE (Anti-Christ) CAUSES the AoD. Thus he gets his side kick to do his dirty work, just like Jason did for Antiochus 2200 years ago. The last thing that CHECKED OUT had always bothered me, I often wondered why the Anti-Christ would be allowed in the Temple and then him placing the AoD or being the AoD (he really isn't) would be allowed to happen BEFORE the Jews were warned to Flee Judea by God, that always seemed oxymoronic to me, I could not understand why God would not give the Jews a SIGN BEFORE the Beast conquered Jerusalem...........BOOM, the 1290 being the False Prophet settled that worry for me, of course I thought to myself, the Jews would get a 30 days heads up if the False Propet placed the AoD, thus Jesus' warning now made sense, when the Jews see the AoD as placed by this Jewish High Priest turncoat, they have 30 days to flee Judea before the A.C./Beast conquers Jerusalem, and they can only know this if they have been reading Matt. 24 (meaning they have to have already repented) AND if the 1335 was indeed the coming Two-witnesses time to show up (THE BLESSING). So I had to run that down now. Did the 1335 FIT the coming of the Two-witnesses callings and their timelines, off I went again.

Malachi 4:5-6 says that Elijah will be sent back BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord (1260) thus they have to show up BEFORE the Anti-Christ becomes the Beast at the 1260 event (DOTL event). We know via Zechariah 13:8-9 that the Jews repent BEFORE the coming DOTL also, so does the Two-witnesses timelines FIT the 1335? Yes, the final piece to the puzzle convinced me, everything fits for a reason, it is TRUTH. If the Two-witnesses and the Beast both have 1260 day Ordained Offices on this earth, and the Two-witnesses die BEFORE the Beast dies then they have to also SHOW UP BEFORE the Anti-Christ becomes the Beast !! That's simple math. Does that fit? Yes, the Two-witnesses DIE at the 2nd Woe, the Best DIES at the 7th Vial, so that wraps this up, the Two-witnesses have to show up BEFORE the Beasts 1260 conquering of Jerusalem, and since Malachi 4:5-6 says that Elijah turns Israel back unto God BEFORE the DOTL(1260) also, that means they have to be the 1335 blessing, thus the Jews know to FLEE Judea at the 1290, thus they can avoid getting killed by the Anti-Christ/Beast at the 1260.

Pablo2021 · Dec 22, 2021

Rondonmon said:

Sorry, took a nap for a few hours.

All of God's Wrath are in the 7 Trumps (thus in Rev. 10 when the 7 Thunders Sound tie will be no more...[as we know it])

The First Four Trumps are all ONE ASTEROID (I think its going to be the Apophis Asteroid scheduled to come within 19,000 miles of the earth on April 13, 2029, and that is 10 times closer than the moon). The Fire comes(Trump #1) in first when Asteroids that big burst through our atmosphere, thus the fires start via the trees etc., then the IMPACT COMES NEXT (Trump #2) via the "Mountain cast into the Sea. Next is a "STAR ON FIRE"(Trump #3) but its he same Asteroid, God here in Trying to relay undo us that a Poisonous (WORMWORD) substance is going to poison 1/3 of the fresh drinking waters because of this coming great explosion, thus its shown coming in hot, the Greek word ASTER is used and it can be a Star or an Asteroid. Then Trump #4 is Joel 2:31 and the 6th Seal coming to pass, the Sun and Moon gets dark, and the moon turns Blood Red because of all the trees burning the moon appears to be red because of the Red Hue in the skies.

Rev. 8:13 then tells us the Last Three Trumps will bring THREE WOES when they sound. Thus Woe #1 and Woe #2 can be seen in Rev. 9, and Woe #3 is ALL of Rev. 16, thus the 7 Vials ARE the 3rd Woe, brought forth by the 7th Trump.

Thus by reading Rev. 8, 9 and 16 (15&16) al together, you get the 42 months of God's coming Wrath in its proper Chronological Order.

Thus in summary, Trumps 1, 2, 3 and 4 are all ONE EVENT and happen at the exact middle of the week or 1260, because when it hits, that's when Satan orders the Anti-Christ (who hears Dark Sentences or Satan's utterings as Dan. 8:23 says) to GO FORTH conquering, because the chaos will be good for him, it destroys 1/3 of the world, and all the other nations are busy trying to help their fellow nations out. Thus he goes forth conquering on the very day God's Wrath falls, thus he's a Beast for exactly 1260 days.

We know Trump #5 (1st Woe) lasts for 5 months, but I think this happens very close to the Asteroid Event also, because Apollyon is the Scarlet Colored Beast of Rev. 17, and he is released to continue his pursuit of DESTROYING Israel, thus his name is the Destroyer (Apollyon) and he was OF THE 7, and is an 8th (a king of the bottomless pit), thus he was over the Mediterranean Sea Region, he was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia (I think he was the prince of Persia who resisted Michael for 21 days in Daniel chapter 10), Greece and Rome, then Gd locked him in the pit, and thus if the Anti-Christ/Beast rules for 1260 days, I expect the 5th Trump or 1st Woe to happens at about the middle of the week also. Thus he's OF THE 7....ALL SEVEN......and is an 8th (king of the pit)

Trump #6's (2rd Woe) timing is not as easy, 1/3 of all the men who take the Mark of the Beast will be killed by a 200 million Angelic Army, which I say just means the COMPLETE HOST of Heaven as 10 means Completion and 10 x 10 just boosts this and 10,000 x 10,000 super enforces that its ALL the Heavenly Hosts placing plagues on these men.

Trumpet #7 (3rd Woe) is the 7 Vials, thus happens 75 days before Jesus' Second Coming, I know thus because the Two-witnesses ae the 1335 (Blessing) thus they show up 1335 dats BEFORE the Second Coming ends all these wonders Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45, and thus 75 days BEFORE the Beast comes to power, thus the 1260 days that both the Beast and Two-witnesses have on earth as a timeslot Ordained by God was done on purpose by God, so we can juxtapose their timelines against each other. The Two-witnesses show up 75 days before the Beast who shows up at the 1260, which is 75 days later, thus when they DIE at the 2nd Woe, that has to be 75 days before the Beast dies at the 7th Vial. So, I am positive when they all start except for Trump #6, and I can tell you it ENDS 75 days before the Second Coming, but that's about it.

I think i'm starting to understand your proposed chronology for the events related the 7-year period; and, especially T1, T,2 ,T3, T4, T5, T6, T7 (T7 comprehending THE 7 VIALS OF WRATH). Thanks.

Rondonmon · Dec 22, 2021

ewq1938 said:

I showed from scripture that the wrath of God begins at the 7th trump and in this long reply, you did not address that one single time. Instead you ranted about completely different things. Obviously my interpretation is not only better, it goes unchallenged.

The wrath begins at the 7th trump:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Here it clearly states that God's wrath has come after the 7th trump sounds. Clearly God's wrath hadn't been coming for a long time before this or else the statement would be meaningless.

Again, SHOWED YOU the Seal #6 declaration hat the Wrath comes sooner. You just can't grasp it.

TheDivineWatermark · Dec 22, 2021

Friend said:

Genesis 7:4 [see context vv.2-5]-

Berean Study Bible
For seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living thing I have made.”

King James Bible
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

NASB 1995
“For after seven more days, I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will blot out from the face of the land every living thing that I have made.”

[in the Matt24 text where it says, "and THEY KNEW NOT UNTIL"... the "they" is not referring to Noah]

Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

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