Humilty... get some.

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wwjd_kilden

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confidence and pride is not the same :)

confidence is: I think I can do this! I will try my best!
pride is: I am soooo good at this, look at me!

so, nr 1 is good, and essential to make people do stuff, to attempt to get better at stuff etc
the second one is bad, and a indirect reason for lack of confidence: those who brag make those who are not equally good at those things feel like they fail
 
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Cabbage

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Well, if you accept Christ, there is certainty in your heart! It is amazing!
 
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Forlorn-Hope

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If you accept Nazism there is certainty in your heart. If your Muslim there is certainty in your heart. Human beings have weak minds.
 
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Cabbage

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My God is a living God and He sent His Son to die on a cross for our sins. I know Jesus is real. When I read the Bible, He helps me understand it and when I pray for things, He answers my prayers. My God is real!
 
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AnandaHya

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2 Thessalonians 2:13-20
New King James Version (NKJV)
Stand Fast


13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.
16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work.
 
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tif

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Forlorn-Hope said:
If you accept Nazism there is certainty in your heart. If your Muslim there is certainty in your heart. Human beings have weak minds.
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You know, I really don't like that tone. Isn't this whole thread about arrogance? Imho, it's kind of arrogant and rude to insinuate that "Nazis," "Muslims" and us Christians all have the same weak minds, and that you, as an enlightened person, don't.

Belief occurs no matter what your spiritual leanings are. Atheists often hold a strong belief that God isn't out there, a strong belief in the strength and intrepidity of the human spirit, and a strong belief in the inherent power of the human mind to be used for good, if people will only do the right thing.



On subject: There's some research I read on this topic, but I can't find it now.... :(
 
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battlecry

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humility..........people may say they're humble, but don't be misled....humility is a condition of the heart....always staying in His presence...we become what we behold
 
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redu

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There is certainty in life....it is certain that we will all die....but only some of us will live eternally
 
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redu

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Big difference between Confidence and Arrogance.

I'm supremely confident in knowing that anything I wish to achieve I can if it is God's will. And if your will is aligned with God's will, NOTHING is stopping you from achieving what you set out to do!

However...

I'm supremely humble knowing that anything I accomplish in this life, will be done by the grace and power of God.

Arrogance and Pride begin to arise when people start to glorify themselves and other people in place of God.

Christians should exhibit the perfect blend of "humble confidence" or " confident humility"
 
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rainacorn

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Can you be 'supremely humble'?

Like you are the most humble person in the world? lol

Anyway, teenagers and young adults are super arrogant. I think that's probably always been the case for a variety of reasons (biological, neurological, maturity). I think the difference now is that it isn't being tempered with humility. Except in the cases of those raised in 'good Christian households' it seems unlikely that kids know that they fail sometimes... and it's normal. They might feel like failures when it comes to dating or other trivial things, but they hear how wonderful and perfect they are from pretty much everyone. I imagine it's a bit confusing for kids who are told they are perfect and wonderful but don't FEEL that way. hmmm The last 10-20 years of liberal influence on the school system is really catching up with us.

Education used to be competitive. That's what I loved about it. It was an accurate measure of how you stood up against other kids. If you come from a home where your mother supports literally everything you want to do, whether it's become a teen mom or a rocket scientist, the objective measurements of the school system were vital to letting me know how I was doing. I can't imagine being a kid in school today. How can you really know how smart or talented you are if the schools are lying to you and think your emotional fragility is the most important thing about you?

Let me phrase this another way. For those of you in high school, do you think your school should be more focused on giving you a world class education so you can compete in business or on making you feel good about yourself and protecting you from conflict?

"The three-yearly OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) report, which compares the knowledge and skills of 15-year-olds in 70 countries around the world, ranked the United States 14th out of 34 OECD countries for reading skills, 17th for science and a below-average 25th for mathematics." -AP
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AnandaHya

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don't know I meet more teenagers in lack of confidence who cover it up with fake bluster then those who are truly prideful. Or perhaps I just ignore the prideful ones and see past that mask. most of the time there is insecurity behind the fronting that they don't want people to see.

A lot of kids don't want to ask for help because they feel like it makes them look weak and will be torn apart by the wolf pack called the high school rumor mill.

I find that help kids find confidence and courage and stand in the love and assurance of Christ is more important then telling them to be humble and submitting.

The most confident people I know are the most humble because they know they don't have to justify themselves but leave it in God's hands. They don't have to defend but instead have the courage to love even if it makes them look foolish or stupid or naive.

I think the difference is who you are being humble too. We should all stand in fear and humbleness before the throne of God because we know we are sinners unworthy except for the righteousness imputed by Jesus upon us. However we are to stand confident in our salvation before the world despite whatever is thrown at us.

I guess it is what we place our confidence in: Jesus or ourselves.


OH I see your questions:

"How can you really know how smart or talented you are if the schools are lying to you and think your emotional fragility is the most important thing about you?

Let me phrase this another way. For those of you in high school, do you think your school should be more focused on giving you a world class education so you can compete in business or on making you feel good about yourself and protecting you from conflict?"

I don't think people should be lied to. If they don't make the mark they should be told honestly so they can know what they need to do to make it in the career they wish not so they can feel good now and fail later.
 
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Cabbage

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I am sorry, but I am a teenager and I am tired of being classified with my generation. I know that many adults think that my generation in messing up the world, and to some points, I agree. I do not think our generation is overly confident. Our generation plays on as "overly confident" to cover up their low self esteem and other issues like abuse, parental divorces, or other things like that. Also, it is the adults that are telling the children this. It is not the child's fault if they have grown up being told this. I was not raised in a Christian home and I am not overly confident. I have been sexually abused and I am not in any way confident. I know that I am a sinner and I am constantly messing up. So, before you go posting that all children who don't grow up in a Christian home are the ones over confident, take a look at your wording. This post has really upset me!
 
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rainacorn

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You're so vain, you probably think this post is about you.
 
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rainacorn

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Ok, so that wasn't nice. I tried to edit, but it took me too long. I apologize. However, I don't understand the attitude of "THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO ME AND I AM OFFENDED." If it doesn't apply to you, then don't get upset like you're getting hit between the eyes.

It's not just you, Cabbage. I see it from other young people, too. The more I think about it, the more it fits in exactly with what we're talking about here. Emotional fragility is the most important thing about young people. Their personal feelings are supposed to not only be really important to others, but DEMAND that others change their opinions taking those feelings into consideration. The less the feelings of a young person change my opinions, the more upset they get. Like they're baffled that someone wouldn't immediately fold after they said they were hurt! Isn't it absurdly arrogant to think that your personal drama and emotional issues should mean soooo much to complete strangers?

I know it's a touchy subject, but if you can't take the heat get out of the oven lol No one is forcing you to read this or reply.

I know I come off as harsh sometimes, especially on this message board. However, it doesn't come from a hateful place and I don't set out to hurt people's feelings. I just don't put as much weight on emotions as I do ideas and truth when it comes to talking to a bunch of total strangers on a message board. There are things said on this message board that I find offensive and that bother me quite a bit... but I can't assume the person saying it means to hurt me because they don't know me. They aren't even addressing me.

Anyway, as usual, I apologize for my response. It was out of line and rude.

I do hope, however, that you can read this thread without thinking it's all about you. You see yourself as different from your peers. I'm interested to know why.
 
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Lucy68

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Cabbage said:
I am sorry, but I am a teenager and I am tired of being classified with my generation. I know that many adults think that my generation in messing up the world, and to some points, I agree. I do not think our generation is overly confident. Our generation plays on as "overly confident" to cover up their low self esteem and other issues like abuse, parental divorces, or other things like that. Also, it is the adults that are telling the children this. It is not the child's fault if they have grown up being told this. I was not raised in a Christian home and I am not overly confident. I have been sexually abused and I am not in any way confident. I know that I am a sinner and I am constantly messing up. So, before you go posting that all children who don't grow up in a Christian home are the ones over confident, take a look at your wording. This post has really upset me!
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Don't let posts upset you...

It's pointless to try to blame ANY generation for the sins of the world! We are all guilty to some extent. I was born in 1960 and my son likes to include me in the hippy generation. My formative years was the 70's.

Anyway, it's a useless argument anytime you try to lump an individual into a large group and say "they're to blame for this mess". It's the human condition since the fall to be 'messed up'.

Good for you, little sister, that you have overcome difficulties in your life to see the truth! Don't let anyone take it away from you.

Whether we struggle with arrogance or low-esteem or whatever - we ALL struggle with something. A nice middle ground would be good.

My husband is professor at a college and he says a lot of freshmen come in as 'A' students but get frustrated really fast when they are no longer 'A' students. Yes, grade inflation is a big problem. Because they then think it's the professor's fault that they are not getting A's anymore.

One thing I've noticed is that our public schools are big on teaching self-esteem without any teaching about Christ. This is bound to lead to arrogance! High self-esteem without the knowledge of Christ's sacrificial love is doomed to become self-worship.
 
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Lucy68

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Forlorn-Hope said:
Yes, According to you and 1.8 Billion others. I'm just saying that there is no certainty in life. With anything.
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For a saved person, there is a certainty of eternal life in heaven with God. This is where FAITH comes into play. And it isn't a fragile faith...there's lots of evidence. Plus, of course, the promises of the Bible.
 
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Forlorn-Hope

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Tif... I said all humans have weak minds for a reason. I am not enlightened and I in no way insinuated that my mind was not weak, not sure where you got that from. No one is enlightened, human beings... are... barely worth the air we breathe.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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our society teaches that you have to be perfect:

you have to get good grades
you have to have many friends
you have to have a (good and "cool") job
you have to have a good position at that job

no wonder people over- compensate
 
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AnandaHya

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Lucy68 said:


One thing I've noticed is that our public schools are big on teaching self-esteem without any teaching about Christ. This is bound to lead to arrogance! High self-esteem without the knowledge of Christ's sacrificial love is doomed to become self-worship.
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As one who works in the public school, I know we can't teach about the knowledge of Christ but we can teach about moral accountability and pray that the tutor of the law will lead them to the salvation of Christ.

Everyone needs to be held accountable for what they do and what they don't do and have honest feedback on those things so they do not leave deceived into thinking they are farther along the path of learning then they actually are. So they can identify their weaknesses so they can learn how to build them up and become strong enough to accomplish the task they set out to achieve and not fail because they did not know their own limitations or were not prepared for the tough spots not so nice things in the mission of life God sets before us.
 
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