Where does the Bible say Satan or demons put thoughts in your mind?
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You really can't have much of a faith then (certainly not one worth testing), because if you had you'd know by experience the ability of the Devil, evil angels and demons to energise evil thoughts into one's spirit and mind! 
The world and flesh certainly do as well, especially the flesh, and if the Christian does not have victory over the flesh (or indeed the world), the Devil doesn't need to bother about them, as they pose NO threat to his kingdom of darkness!
In my experience, in almost 40 years as a Christian, here in the affluent West, the vast majority of Christians have victory over neither the world or flesh, so the Devil doesn't need to bother about them.
Even Paul, as an old man, still needed to discipline his body (i.e., the flesh) through fasting and prayer, or he would have been "disqualified." 1Cor 9v24-27, Gal 5v16-26, 1John 2v15-17.
If you are not experiencing energisings from the Devil et al, maybe you need examine yourself to see if you have victory the world and flesh!
In my experience, in almost 40 years as a Christian, here in the affluent West, the vast majority of Christians have victory over neither the world or flesh, so the Devil doesn't need to bother about them.
Even Paul, as an old man, still needed to discipline his body (i.e., the flesh) through fasting and prayer, or he would have been "disqualified." 1Cor 9v24-27, Gal 5v16-26, 1John 2v15-17.
If you are not experiencing energisings from the Devil et al, maybe you need examine yourself to see if you have victory the world and flesh!
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That is a poor spirit to express because regardless as to how your claim (which you assert numerous times) was made - the claim itself - were I to have asserted it - would itself be a self evident heresy of some magnitude. But you tell me wilfully that you have given your response just ten seconds thought. Why?
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arent words something we receive in our minds though ? If not what good is a word of it doesn’t apply to the mind of the person hearing it ?
you know how bad ideas spread on the world ? Someone accepts it in thoer mind and spreads those thought in words to others it’s the same way the gospel spreads the word is peached to create new minds , new thoughts
“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
Romans 12:2 KJV
how would you say someone renews thoer minds ? Wouldn’t they have to accept the truth of Gods word ?
you know how bad ideas spread on the world ? Someone accepts it in thoer mind and spreads those thought in words to others it’s the same way the gospel spreads the word is peached to create new minds , new thoughts
“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
Romans 12:2 KJV
how would you say someone renews thoer minds ? Wouldn’t they have to accept the truth of Gods word ?
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did you read this at all when I replied this to you
“I don’t even really understand what your saying honestly sounds like a philosophy paper of a theory about the origin of mankind . Your probably too intellectually gifted for me to be able to follow the argument”
translation I don’t understand the way you speak or really what you are even saying
what I took from those posts was you were saying Adam was somehow different than the rest of man .
sections like this makes me think that
“The relevance of making such a clear distinction between Adam and all other men and women who come from his loins”
and then your posts also seem to be littered with arrogance and exalting your understanding above most believers like this
“Most believers haven't got the foggiest clue on how deception really works or why those (like myself) who set about to establish occult orders”
it makes it even harder to understand because you begin with yourself being a professional speaking to a bunch of un knowing idiots , again though I don’t really understand how you communicate or what your even getting at so I hope that helps you understand why I lost interest in arguing with you
I’m one of the group of most believers who just don’t understand it I guess but I don’t understand your way of saying things so it seems pointless to continue is my point
I don’t have any idea what your even saying really so I took a shot at what I thought you were saying
but it’s obvious we aren’t understanding each other that’s why it took ten seconds for me to let it go and move on
God bless though
“I don’t even really understand what your saying honestly sounds like a philosophy paper of a theory about the origin of mankind . Your probably too intellectually gifted for me to be able to follow the argument”
translation I don’t understand the way you speak or really what you are even saying
what I took from those posts was you were saying Adam was somehow different than the rest of man .
sections like this makes me think that
“The relevance of making such a clear distinction between Adam and all other men and women who come from his loins”
and then your posts also seem to be littered with arrogance and exalting your understanding above most believers like this
“Most believers haven't got the foggiest clue on how deception really works or why those (like myself) who set about to establish occult orders”
it makes it even harder to understand because you begin with yourself being a professional speaking to a bunch of un knowing idiots , again though I don’t really understand how you communicate or what your even getting at so I hope that helps you understand why I lost interest in arguing with you
I’m one of the group of most believers who just don’t understand it I guess but I don’t understand your way of saying things so it seems pointless to continue is my point
I don’t have any idea what your even saying really so I took a shot at what I thought you were saying
but it’s obvious we aren’t understanding each other that’s why it took ten seconds for me to let it go and move on
God bless though
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Its not impossible to think satan put thoughts in people's head. Scripture says he is going about as a lion looking for someone to devour.
Of course if we saw a lion coming at us we would all run. And Im not thinking anyone would talk with a snake as how he talked with Eve. And being that he is so cunning and deceptive, when he speaks to us in our thoughts we may not realise.
We are warned to test the spirits because not every spirit is from God. And they are teaching doctrins of demons. Satan is definately influencing such people.
During the 2021 US election the "prophets" came out to say God told them who would win the election, but as it turned out it was not God who spoke to them or put such thoughts into their heads.
Of course if we saw a lion coming at us we would all run. And Im not thinking anyone would talk with a snake as how he talked with Eve. And being that he is so cunning and deceptive, when he speaks to us in our thoughts we may not realise.
We are warned to test the spirits because not every spirit is from God. And they are teaching doctrins of demons. Satan is definately influencing such people.
During the 2021 US election the "prophets" came out to say God told them who would win the election, but as it turned out it was not God who spoke to them or put such thoughts into their heads.
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Amen what happened in genesis three is the a figure of the situation we all face. god has spoken the gospel the word of life
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
he sent it out to all the world to witness to them
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
just like Adam and Eve were told and knew the truth about the fruit and then Satan gave them another idea about The fruit that’s what’s happening now Satan is feeding the world lies about the gospel giving them ideas like “ Jesus words don’t apply to me “ “ the Gentiles have a different gospel it’s not what Jesus said “ on and on he’s lying and baiting would be believers to believe alternative words just like Eden but we stand on faith which can’t be separated from his word
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
God spoke the truth that would give them life and protect them from death
“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
God instilled the right thought about the fruit and it sunk in but then the serpent offered an alternative to believe another idea about the fruit being forbidden God was actually keeping something good from them he insinuated
“And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
Genesis 3:2-5
you can literally watch thier mind change from what she told him that God said , to what she now perceived that he said
“And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
Genesis 3:6 KJV
if they had stuck with what God said they would. Ever have eaten the fruit but they instead went with the opposite word from the devil who intended to kill them with Gods commandment causing them to break it and die
it’s the same for us the Gospel is in the world Gods eternally true word of salvation and life
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Matthew 24:35
“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
Hebrews 13:8 KJV
it’s always going to be true but the enemy is always going to be twisting it and omitting thkngs that matter regarding life and death he’s always seeking to corrupt mans mind that’s all he actually can do when he does it then the person serves his Will unknowingly
it’s all out our mind and heart and what we allow to be our belief what God said ? Or what the enemy said ? Whatever we accept is going to shape how we think that’s just how man works
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
he sent it out to all the world to witness to them
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
just like Adam and Eve were told and knew the truth about the fruit and then Satan gave them another idea about The fruit that’s what’s happening now Satan is feeding the world lies about the gospel giving them ideas like “ Jesus words don’t apply to me “ “ the Gentiles have a different gospel it’s not what Jesus said “ on and on he’s lying and baiting would be believers to believe alternative words just like Eden but we stand on faith which can’t be separated from his word
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
God spoke the truth that would give them life and protect them from death
“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
God instilled the right thought about the fruit and it sunk in but then the serpent offered an alternative to believe another idea about the fruit being forbidden God was actually keeping something good from them he insinuated
“And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
Genesis 3:2-5
you can literally watch thier mind change from what she told him that God said , to what she now perceived that he said
“And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
Genesis 3:6 KJV
if they had stuck with what God said they would. Ever have eaten the fruit but they instead went with the opposite word from the devil who intended to kill them with Gods commandment causing them to break it and die
it’s the same for us the Gospel is in the world Gods eternally true word of salvation and life
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Matthew 24:35
“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
Hebrews 13:8 KJV
it’s always going to be true but the enemy is always going to be twisting it and omitting thkngs that matter regarding life and death he’s always seeking to corrupt mans mind that’s all he actually can do when he does it then the person serves his Will unknowingly
it’s all out our mind and heart and what we allow to be our belief what God said ? Or what the enemy said ? Whatever we accept is going to shape how we think that’s just how man works
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Yes I did and I posted a response @#28 and you replied @#29 which is now the cause of this present exchange. Why do you ask me if I read your words when you know that I read your words and reposnsed to them?
I told you that I was educated in a special needs school in residence and so I don't tend to call myself intellectual. That was in the late 1960's and at that time the term special needs didn't carry the flowery and mistaken self pity that is all to often used now. I was mentally and physically abused every single day for the first ten years of my life. Tortured in many instances and then when my mind was almost destroyed I was rescued and placed in care in a residential special school for children. Then in care I was sexually abused for several years and when I reported it I was threatened with punishment - so despite the fact that another student in care also reported the same abuser in the same period - I fearfully withdrew my claim. Then I was thrown out of care completely unable to make a shred of sense of anything at all and very quickly found myself so distraught that I tried to take my life aged sixteen years of age in a cold and damp room in complete mental turmoil and isolation from everything in life.
So now, writing in a rational way and seeking to apply biblical principles to basic truths that are often misapplied is all it takes to be told that one is writing philosophy. I was saved in solitary confinement in a prison aged 24 years - from which I attempted to escape and ran riot using occult powers which I acquired when I was a seven year old child in the sight of everyone who were charged by God to protect me but missed the entirety of what Satan is capable of when he sets his mind on taking a child to be an instrument of his ambitions. I saw Christ with my own eyes in the day I was saved and spent ten months is solitary confinement to finish my sentence I can assure you with a sincere faith that philosophy is not what I wrote. So by what effect did you come to a place where you are unable to understand simple English and simple Biblical truths when they are expressed to you?
You assert that it seems that I am writing a philosophy paper on the theory of mankind. Yet I openly confessed that I was setting up an occult order at the time I was saved. The occult and sorcery have been my portion since I was a seven year old boy and I have literally walked with nests of demonic spirits and held their discourse in my mind so well that I was able to write down their leading and devoured books in philosophy, theology, the bible, occult books and studied named occultists before the internet was even thought about and when very few people could have even shown how to do what Satan can do when he gets hold of a Childs mind and desires to make him his instrument. No one even saw it - and no one cared. They were all prevaricating intellectually about theories and solutions to a problem they were in truth incapable of properly understanding. That is the reality of making a parade more important than understanding what truth is when we speak of Christ and man and the devil.
Yet somehow you have mistakenly believed that despite my open admission to my condition when I was saved - you have said that I was a professional speaker to idiots. What I was is beyond your mind because you have no conception of what the occult really is - but it was sorcery that gave me an advantage over those fools I could control and direct to an end of making them mere possessions for the privilege of having the power to destroy those who sought to destroy me from the day I was born to the moment I was saved. He who has been forgiven much - forgives much. I don't play games with words and neither do I speculate on the word of God.
Still - you are free to express yourself as you please - but I must also be able to respond when I am told that what I have written is philosophy. I wish you well.
I told you that I was educated in a special needs school in residence and so I don't tend to call myself intellectual. That was in the late 1960's and at that time the term special needs didn't carry the flowery and mistaken self pity that is all to often used now. I was mentally and physically abused every single day for the first ten years of my life. Tortured in many instances and then when my mind was almost destroyed I was rescued and placed in care in a residential special school for children. Then in care I was sexually abused for several years and when I reported it I was threatened with punishment - so despite the fact that another student in care also reported the same abuser in the same period - I fearfully withdrew my claim. Then I was thrown out of care completely unable to make a shred of sense of anything at all and very quickly found myself so distraught that I tried to take my life aged sixteen years of age in a cold and damp room in complete mental turmoil and isolation from everything in life.
So now, writing in a rational way and seeking to apply biblical principles to basic truths that are often misapplied is all it takes to be told that one is writing philosophy. I was saved in solitary confinement in a prison aged 24 years - from which I attempted to escape and ran riot using occult powers which I acquired when I was a seven year old child in the sight of everyone who were charged by God to protect me but missed the entirety of what Satan is capable of when he sets his mind on taking a child to be an instrument of his ambitions. I saw Christ with my own eyes in the day I was saved and spent ten months is solitary confinement to finish my sentence I can assure you with a sincere faith that philosophy is not what I wrote. So by what effect did you come to a place where you are unable to understand simple English and simple Biblical truths when they are expressed to you?
You assert that it seems that I am writing a philosophy paper on the theory of mankind. Yet I openly confessed that I was setting up an occult order at the time I was saved. The occult and sorcery have been my portion since I was a seven year old boy and I have literally walked with nests of demonic spirits and held their discourse in my mind so well that I was able to write down their leading and devoured books in philosophy, theology, the bible, occult books and studied named occultists before the internet was even thought about and when very few people could have even shown how to do what Satan can do when he gets hold of a Childs mind and desires to make him his instrument. No one even saw it - and no one cared. They were all prevaricating intellectually about theories and solutions to a problem they were in truth incapable of properly understanding. That is the reality of making a parade more important than understanding what truth is when we speak of Christ and man and the devil.
Yet somehow you have mistakenly believed that despite my open admission to my condition when I was saved - you have said that I was a professional speaker to idiots. What I was is beyond your mind because you have no conception of what the occult really is - but it was sorcery that gave me an advantage over those fools I could control and direct to an end of making them mere possessions for the privilege of having the power to destroy those who sought to destroy me from the day I was born to the moment I was saved. He who has been forgiven much - forgives much. I don't play games with words and neither do I speculate on the word of God.
Still - you are free to express yourself as you please - but I must also be able to respond when I am told that what I have written is philosophy. I wish you well.
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yeah again I don’t see any point in continuing I’ve already moved on to be very clear “ I don’t understand the way you communicate so it’s not a fruitful exchange I’ve told you up front d you keep up the same dialogue I don’t understand how you are communicating it’s not an insult I’m telling you I don’t understand now for the third time
so I don’t see the point in continuing …. Make sense ?
so I don’t see the point in continuing …. Make sense ?
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I am not being contentious - but how do you explain why two people who are both born again and seemingly writing in the same language cannot communicate a shred of sense? The only thing in what you have written that is not easily understandable is how that is possible when you finish by telling me to make sense. I have seen this way of writing by brethren in the US numerous times - and so whilst it is a simple thing to ignore it - I genuinely would like to understand how it happens.
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And its not just in the area of sin. Satan will give us thoughts to depress us. Thoughts of low self esteem. Worring about the future. Make us give up on our dreams. Tell us God does not hear our prayers, and that He is angry with us. Just negative thoughts to defeat us.
So we have to be careful to say what God says, and not something else.
So we have to be careful to say what God says, and not something else.
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So lets take this a different way. You are asking me if your explanation (above) makes sense? So I can choose to see it a different way. Right? Do I really have that choice? I certainly do - but when I express what you have said in two different way (as now in this post and previously in post #55) begs a question. Am I acting wilfully - contentiously - falsely - or am I lacking in ordinary intelligence? Perhaps it could be a cultural fact of language that directs me as a British English speaker to misunderstand your expressions or it may be that I don't have too much affection for the US. Or perhaps even an arrogance or it could be malice. How will you know what it is?
Yet your entire explanation to everything I have written is that you cannot understand a word of it. Yet all I actually said to you which you resisted completely was that Adam was not deceived.
And here in this element of the long post you made to express many truths - yet you assert the same claim once again. The bible doesn't tell us that Adam looked at anything - yet you express yourself grammatically in a manner that asserts that he did when you explain "you can literally watch thier mind change from what she told him that God said , to what she now perceived that he said"
Out of that grammatical dial (direction) it stands that Adam was deceived. If you are implying that Adam had his mind changed to believe a lie - then you are implying that he was deceived. And so if we imply things of Adam that the bible doesn't say of him - but expressly tells us the complete opposite thing - then we are missing the reason why he did sin when he listened to his wife after she was already deceived and in sin and death. He wasn't deceived was he? If he were deceived and if his mind had already laid hold of the lie that they would not die - and this effect began to produce an effect that had both of them looking at the fruit and discerning that it was good for food and good to make them wise - then Adam was in the precise same place as his wife was in and so she didn't need to say anything to him at all. He would have simply eaten as well. Neither are we told what Adam's wife said to him after she had eden. But we do know she said something because that is what Adam told God.
It is important that believers really understand what deception is - because it is often not nearly as easy to understand as we believe it to be. Adam and his wife were innocent when this happened. You rightly point to the Scripture that God made the man - male and female - but that does not mean that Adam - the male - was deceived - it means that the woman - taken from the man - was deceived and she knew it because that is what she told God.
This OP is expressly about whether or not Satan speaks into the minds of men and women to deceive them. Well he does - but the means to do that is expressed from Genesis chapter two through to Genesis chapter six and the flood and it incorporates men, and women and angels. But in Genesis in the account of the fall of man - it didn't happen in Adam the male.
You asked me in another post if Eve had somehow deceived Adam - or more accurately you were asking if I thought that Eve had deceived Adam. The answer is that Adam acted in pure self interest - and in truth his sin was vastly greater than his wife's sin because it was predicated on a pure act of having regard for his wife. Whereas the woman sinned at a disadvantage because she was deceived. When Adam sinned he was still innocent - his wife was already in sin.
I won't post to anymore of your comments. I am sorry that I have bothered you with my words.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
Yet your entire explanation to everything I have written is that you cannot understand a word of it. Yet all I actually said to you which you resisted completely was that Adam was not deceived.
And here in this element of the long post you made to express many truths - yet you assert the same claim once again. The bible doesn't tell us that Adam looked at anything - yet you express yourself grammatically in a manner that asserts that he did when you explain "you can literally watch thier mind change from what she told him that God said , to what she now perceived that he said"
Out of that grammatical dial (direction) it stands that Adam was deceived. If you are implying that Adam had his mind changed to believe a lie - then you are implying that he was deceived. And so if we imply things of Adam that the bible doesn't say of him - but expressly tells us the complete opposite thing - then we are missing the reason why he did sin when he listened to his wife after she was already deceived and in sin and death. He wasn't deceived was he? If he were deceived and if his mind had already laid hold of the lie that they would not die - and this effect began to produce an effect that had both of them looking at the fruit and discerning that it was good for food and good to make them wise - then Adam was in the precise same place as his wife was in and so she didn't need to say anything to him at all. He would have simply eaten as well. Neither are we told what Adam's wife said to him after she had eden. But we do know she said something because that is what Adam told God.
It is important that believers really understand what deception is - because it is often not nearly as easy to understand as we believe it to be. Adam and his wife were innocent when this happened. You rightly point to the Scripture that God made the man - male and female - but that does not mean that Adam - the male - was deceived - it means that the woman - taken from the man - was deceived and she knew it because that is what she told God.
This OP is expressly about whether or not Satan speaks into the minds of men and women to deceive them. Well he does - but the means to do that is expressed from Genesis chapter two through to Genesis chapter six and the flood and it incorporates men, and women and angels. But in Genesis in the account of the fall of man - it didn't happen in Adam the male.
You asked me in another post if Eve had somehow deceived Adam - or more accurately you were asking if I thought that Eve had deceived Adam. The answer is that Adam acted in pure self interest - and in truth his sin was vastly greater than his wife's sin because it was predicated on a pure act of having regard for his wife. Whereas the woman sinned at a disadvantage because she was deceived. When Adam sinned he was still innocent - his wife was already in sin.
I won't post to anymore of your comments. I am sorry that I have bothered you with my words.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
