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sure AnandaHya the one that really blessed me was a guy who was possessed by demons for 12 years,he was not a beleiver nor his family,he went to lots of witch docs nothing happened,the witch that bewitched him was his own granpa! thats what he told us later... anyway long story short when he first came to our house(ma parents are ministers)boy he was shaking lyk no man business he was demanding goats blood and honour to his name.. well ma dad said shut ur mouth demon lol and casted the demon out,but the demon would come bak in couple of hours...it went on for a week he literally stayed our place...i was about 16 i said am goona put lotsa oil in me hand and am goona cast da demon out today,layed hands on him and commanded demon to come out, he said as the demons were leaving,we coldnt see but he could,he said he literally saw fire in cross shape burning on his skin.. his whole family got saved now he is a evanglist..he doesnt know a thing about doctorine but he goes and tells ppl what God did in his life,many ppl come and get delivered
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Thanks 
I hope he is learning some about doctrine and God's word in addition as being a living testimony of God's power.
if you have time I'm always will to listen to how God is saving lives in the world
thanks for sharing and I hope you and your family stay blessed and safe in Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
I hope he is learning some about doctrine and God's word in addition as being a living testimony of God's power. if you have time I'm always will to listen to how God is saving lives in the world
thanks for sharing and I hope you and your family stay blessed and safe in Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
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It was more the false doctrines and teaching about deliverance that I was addressing in the thread. The demons have mixed God's truth with lies and are deceiving the nations.
I am just stating casting out demons is for bring people to God not maintaining a Christian lifestyle. For that latter we have the teachings of the Holy Spirit.
I am just stating casting out demons is for bring people to God not maintaining a Christian lifestyle. For that latter we have the teachings of the Holy Spirit.
this is what i know,in the country lyk where i was born ppl are hungry,poor,naked and sick,all their life they put their hope on somthing wishing it would work,but when they hear abt Jesus 2 things can happen either they will kill u or they get converted in a way they will die for what they beleive in..eg
my dad got a widow converted shes never been to school,never studied about the word of God,just heard that Jesus was executed for her sins and he rose from the grave and he can heal all sickness and cast any demons. she went back to her village where gosple has never been preached..ma dad met her after 20 years,she still scratches her head if u give her a book,but i tell u what she converted the whole village,my dad asked how,she said well u told me he saves and he heals i beleived and i told ppl and everyone that she prayed for got healed..
well if u ask her prayer lyf,everyday she wakes up at 4 am and prayes till mid day,love of God wrecks ya lol
my dad got a widow converted shes never been to school,never studied about the word of God,just heard that Jesus was executed for her sins and he rose from the grave and he can heal all sickness and cast any demons. she went back to her village where gosple has never been preached..ma dad met her after 20 years,she still scratches her head if u give her a book,but i tell u what she converted the whole village,my dad asked how,she said well u told me he saves and he heals i beleived and i told ppl and everyone that she prayed for got healed..
well if u ask her prayer lyf,everyday she wakes up at 4 am and prayes till mid day,love of God wrecks ya lol
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The translation you have is a poor one. It should read, "and creates calamity", not evil. The point being made here is that God is sovereign, and he can bring about judgement (calamity) on nations as he wills it. Judgement is NOT evil. I did NOT SAY that Judgment was evil.
Well both KJV and NASB say the SAME THING!
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
What I said is that God created evil (demons, powers, principalities,) for HIS PURPOSES.
Well both KJV and NASB say the SAME THING!
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
What I said is that God created evil (demons, powers, principalities,) for HIS PURPOSES.
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Praise be to God!
1 Corinthians 1:19-21
New King James Version (NKJV)
19 For it is written:
“ I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”[a]
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
1 Corinthians 1:19-21
New King James Version (NKJV)
19 For it is written:
“ I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”[a]
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
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1 Timothy 4
The Great Apostasy
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
A Good Servant of Jesus Christ
6 If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed. 7 But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come. 9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. 10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach,[a] because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 11 These things command and teach.
Take Heed to Your Ministry
12 Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity. 13 Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. 15 Meditate on these things; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all. 16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
The Great Apostasy
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
A Good Servant of Jesus Christ
6 If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed. 7 But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come. 9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. 10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach,[a] because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 11 These things command and teach.
Take Heed to Your Ministry
12 Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity. 13 Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. 15 Meditate on these things; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all. 16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
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1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6 If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed. 7 But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come. 9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. 10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach,[a] because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 11 These things command and teach.
12 Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity. 13 Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. 15 Meditate on these things; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all. 16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6 If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed. 7 But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come. 9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. 10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach,[a] because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 11 These things command and teach.
12 Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity. 13 Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. 15 Meditate on these things; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all. 16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
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ANA: Maggie I doubt you will understand for you believe your battle field is in people's heads and physical body but I do not believe it true. At least that is not true according to my personal experience. It is a spiritual battle. But where does it take place?? IN US. The battlefield is IN the mind. Demons, powers and principalities need HUMANS to operate THROUGH.
The battle I see is in the spirit, in the realm most consider to be dreams and visions. Um, no. Dreams and visions are what God shows us is going on in the spiritual realm...it's like watching a documentary or a news broadcast. It REVEALS what we do not see in the natural. It is like watching two angels in a fight struggling for control of the heart of a third person watching. Angels never have control over our hearts. It is only the Lord, ourselves and Satan/demons who can have control....and then only if WE give it to them. I merely seat and talk with the person watching and ask what they are fighting over. Normally it is a teaching or problem of their life they are struggling with and they don't know which of the two angels to listen to. Again...they should listen to the Lord, comparing all that they 'hear' with His written word. They are not sure which is the angel sent by God and which is the demon trying to lead them away. They need to ask God for Discernment So I listen and when I awaken I read my Bible. that why I can see what God says is the answer and who actually told the truth and who lied with their arguments. In case both claim to be quoting God's words when they debate and fight with sword of Spirit, but you can tell by their words whose spiritual sword they use. The enemy does not have a 'spiritual sword'. That is not found in scripture.
Not exactly but that is the closest metaphor most people will understand.
People do not get possessed you would be able to see them if they were. True possession in the US is rare, but it can happen. It does NOT happen to Christians.they would be trapped in chains and the demons would speak through their eyes and mouth. Consider an insane asylum. I have meet people who have been demon possessed and have casted them out, No, you have not. You have met people that are OPpressed....greatly influenced by. Truly POsessed people, like I said, in the US are rare, not to mention almost always in asylums or mental prisons and kept sedated. You do not know what a truly possessed person behaves like. It would scare the living daylights out of you. but I can not stop them from watching the fight and choosing to listen to demons instead of God. That's the problem. They don't watch the fight. They don't even recognize that there IS a fight. Because if they did, they could do the necessary warfare to win the battle. I can only give them Bible verses and listen and pray to God. If you understood the spiritual realm, you would understand that there is much strategy with which to fight against our spiritual enemies in scripture.
you don't go casting out demons unless the person is at the point they will accept Jesus as Lord and savior and the Holy Spirit to protect them or they will be demon possessed with 7 more demons versus the 1 they had to begin with. Agreed
it is irresponsible not to keep in contact with people you have casted demons out of to ensure they have training in defending themselves. that is why you don't do it unless you are willing to commit and pray for them daily. Agreed that is why not everyone uses the power to cast out demons and should only do it when GOD says the person is ready in their hearts to accept HIM. Again, agreed. But you are speaking only of people that are not saved. What about Christians?? The majority of the body of Christ is sick, depressed, prayerless, word-reading-less, defeated physically and emotionally. They have issues!! And those issues need deliverance.
You only cast out demons in the unsaved people who have not accepted Christ. WRONG!! As you said above, you would do this ONLY if Holy Spirit led you to do so, so they could receive Christ, otherwise their condition will become worse than it was.with christians you show them the lies the demons on the OUTSIDE are whispering to them and help them listen to the Holy Spirit for themselves and build that relationship with CHRIST not you, but with GOD. Have them depend upon GOD and HIS VOICE not your ability to continually "cast out demons" for them. If you didn't do it right the first time then you didn't do it at all. You can show Christians scripture which reveals lies of the enemy. Already discussed the 'outside' concept. Can we agree that it is both? The only way any of us can 'help them listen to Holy Spirit' is to show them scriptures that show the different ways of hearing from God. We canNOT " Have them depend upon GOD and HIS VOICE" as we cannot force them to do it. Bottom line, when they cannot receive scripture and act on it, they need deliverance.
Jesus only casted out demons ONCE and then gave them His words to guard and protect them. And? Now we have the Holy Spirit to train us. People just need to learn how to listen and tell the difference between God's voice and the Enemies. Many cannot 'learn' or receive because of demonic interference.
the fruits and what the advice causes you to do. that is how you can tell. God's voice will increase the Fruit of the Spirit. Only if it is OBEYED. Satan will tempt you to sin. God did NOT make Satan evil (that was his chose through pride and wish to control his own life) or cause him to tempt you. It is YOUR flesh and NOT from God.
Do you not understand that God, being OMNIPOTENT, knew in advance and even DESIGNED Lucifer to become prideful? Without that PLAN, there would be no fall, no sin, no need of a Savior. AND there would be no true relationship between God and us because we would all just be robotic in our response to Him. It was ordained from the beginning of ALL creation that Lucifer would fall. Otherwise God is NOT omnipotent or sovereign.
The battle I see is in the spirit, in the realm most consider to be dreams and visions. Um, no. Dreams and visions are what God shows us is going on in the spiritual realm...it's like watching a documentary or a news broadcast. It REVEALS what we do not see in the natural. It is like watching two angels in a fight struggling for control of the heart of a third person watching. Angels never have control over our hearts. It is only the Lord, ourselves and Satan/demons who can have control....and then only if WE give it to them. I merely seat and talk with the person watching and ask what they are fighting over. Normally it is a teaching or problem of their life they are struggling with and they don't know which of the two angels to listen to. Again...they should listen to the Lord, comparing all that they 'hear' with His written word. They are not sure which is the angel sent by God and which is the demon trying to lead them away. They need to ask God for Discernment So I listen and when I awaken I read my Bible. that why I can see what God says is the answer and who actually told the truth and who lied with their arguments. In case both claim to be quoting God's words when they debate and fight with sword of Spirit, but you can tell by their words whose spiritual sword they use. The enemy does not have a 'spiritual sword'. That is not found in scripture.
Not exactly but that is the closest metaphor most people will understand.
People do not get possessed you would be able to see them if they were. True possession in the US is rare, but it can happen. It does NOT happen to Christians.they would be trapped in chains and the demons would speak through their eyes and mouth. Consider an insane asylum. I have meet people who have been demon possessed and have casted them out, No, you have not. You have met people that are OPpressed....greatly influenced by. Truly POsessed people, like I said, in the US are rare, not to mention almost always in asylums or mental prisons and kept sedated. You do not know what a truly possessed person behaves like. It would scare the living daylights out of you. but I can not stop them from watching the fight and choosing to listen to demons instead of God. That's the problem. They don't watch the fight. They don't even recognize that there IS a fight. Because if they did, they could do the necessary warfare to win the battle. I can only give them Bible verses and listen and pray to God. If you understood the spiritual realm, you would understand that there is much strategy with which to fight against our spiritual enemies in scripture.
you don't go casting out demons unless the person is at the point they will accept Jesus as Lord and savior and the Holy Spirit to protect them or they will be demon possessed with 7 more demons versus the 1 they had to begin with. Agreed
it is irresponsible not to keep in contact with people you have casted demons out of to ensure they have training in defending themselves. that is why you don't do it unless you are willing to commit and pray for them daily. Agreed that is why not everyone uses the power to cast out demons and should only do it when GOD says the person is ready in their hearts to accept HIM. Again, agreed. But you are speaking only of people that are not saved. What about Christians?? The majority of the body of Christ is sick, depressed, prayerless, word-reading-less, defeated physically and emotionally. They have issues!! And those issues need deliverance.
You only cast out demons in the unsaved people who have not accepted Christ. WRONG!! As you said above, you would do this ONLY if Holy Spirit led you to do so, so they could receive Christ, otherwise their condition will become worse than it was.with christians you show them the lies the demons on the OUTSIDE are whispering to them and help them listen to the Holy Spirit for themselves and build that relationship with CHRIST not you, but with GOD. Have them depend upon GOD and HIS VOICE not your ability to continually "cast out demons" for them. If you didn't do it right the first time then you didn't do it at all. You can show Christians scripture which reveals lies of the enemy. Already discussed the 'outside' concept. Can we agree that it is both? The only way any of us can 'help them listen to Holy Spirit' is to show them scriptures that show the different ways of hearing from God. We canNOT " Have them depend upon GOD and HIS VOICE" as we cannot force them to do it. Bottom line, when they cannot receive scripture and act on it, they need deliverance.
Jesus only casted out demons ONCE and then gave them His words to guard and protect them. And? Now we have the Holy Spirit to train us. People just need to learn how to listen and tell the difference between God's voice and the Enemies. Many cannot 'learn' or receive because of demonic interference.
the fruits and what the advice causes you to do. that is how you can tell. God's voice will increase the Fruit of the Spirit. Only if it is OBEYED. Satan will tempt you to sin. God did NOT make Satan evil (that was his chose through pride and wish to control his own life) or cause him to tempt you. It is YOUR flesh and NOT from God.
Do you not understand that God, being OMNIPOTENT, knew in advance and even DESIGNED Lucifer to become prideful? Without that PLAN, there would be no fall, no sin, no need of a Savior. AND there would be no true relationship between God and us because we would all just be robotic in our response to Him. It was ordained from the beginning of ALL creation that Lucifer would fall. Otherwise God is NOT omnipotent or sovereign.
M
Demons WERE created by God. They were not created as demons. They were created as angels.There are no scripture that say angels are demons. They are ANGELS, fallen or not. They are separate creations for separate purposes. All FALLEN angels are locked in chains. Jude 1:6 Because they had free will to worship God, or follow Satan (another created angel), they were allowed to fall into evil as their own personal choice. Having made this choice, to choose evil, they were cast out of heaven, along with their master Satan. Right. But that does not make them demons. It renders them locked up.
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Maggie your view of the world is dualistic you think evil is need for the world to exist and I reject that view.
I do not believe that God created Satan and demons as evil beings. I believe they chose to disobey and fall. God did not create them to do so, He allowed the possibility. God is sovereign Lord and just because He has the power to MAKE people obey, He out of love allows us to choose.
Just as we as parents have the POWER to make kids do our will. It is better to have them to choose to do what we request. It is better to explain then to take their hands and force them to do it. If you tell kids not to do something bad but you know they will be tempted, do you 1. remove the temptation by placing them in a locked room or 2. allow them to play outside with the warning and admonishment not to do the tempted thing?
God created the world and He said it was GOOD, not evil. He did NOT create demons as demons. it is NOT their job to tempt and destroy people's souls. It is their choice and they SIN and do it in REBELLION to God's Will.
You can not convince me otherwise. So I ask you to change the topic.
I do not believe that God created Satan and demons as evil beings. I believe they chose to disobey and fall. God did not create them to do so, He allowed the possibility. God is sovereign Lord and just because He has the power to MAKE people obey, He out of love allows us to choose.
Just as we as parents have the POWER to make kids do our will. It is better to have them to choose to do what we request. It is better to explain then to take their hands and force them to do it. If you tell kids not to do something bad but you know they will be tempted, do you 1. remove the temptation by placing them in a locked room or 2. allow them to play outside with the warning and admonishment not to do the tempted thing?
God created the world and He said it was GOOD, not evil. He did NOT create demons as demons. it is NOT their job to tempt and destroy people's souls. It is their choice and they SIN and do it in REBELLION to God's Will.
You can not convince me otherwise. So I ask you to change the topic.
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Is Satan locked up? where in scripture are the angels locked up? who then are the DEMONS also called "unclean spirits"
Revelation 12
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them[a] in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
Revelation 16:13-15
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[a] of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
1 Corinthians 15:39-41
New King James Version (NKJV)
39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh[a] of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
Spirits have no flesh, Angels have their own celestial flesh.The battle is not in what this world considers the "mind" but in the spirit realm. Angels control the weather, hold back rivers and move mountains and more upon the orders of God. It can be seen in the spirit realm but to toss off your earthly body to walk there is forbidden by the Bible except when God walks with you are sends for you.
Ezekiel 8:3
He stretched out the form of a hand, and took me by a lock of my hair; and the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven, and brought me in visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the north gate of the inner court, where the seat of the image of jealousy was, which provokes to jealousy.
Revelation 12
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them[a] in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
Revelation 16:13-15
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[a] of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
1 Corinthians 15:39-41
New King James Version (NKJV)
39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh[a] of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
Spirits have no flesh, Angels have their own celestial flesh.The battle is not in what this world considers the "mind" but in the spirit realm. Angels control the weather, hold back rivers and move mountains and more upon the orders of God. It can be seen in the spirit realm but to toss off your earthly body to walk there is forbidden by the Bible except when God walks with you are sends for you.
Ezekiel 8:3
He stretched out the form of a hand, and took me by a lock of my hair; and the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven, and brought me in visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the north gate of the inner court, where the seat of the image of jealousy was, which provokes to jealousy.
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So did God also create Satan as an evil being in order to have someone to oppose him? Or is Satan a fallen angel. If so, why is he not in chains also? We know he has access to God's throne room, (Job. 1:6-12; 2:1-7). It would appear that if Satan, a fallen angel is in chains, then he certainly still has access to God's throne, and also the physical realms as he appeared to Jesus to tempt him.
Are you saying that God only enchained Satan's angels, leaving Satan loose, and then created for him all of those demons to replace his angels, who are enslaved. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
Are you saying that God only enchained Satan's angels, leaving Satan loose, and then created for him all of those demons to replace his angels, who are enslaved. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
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Colossians 2:18-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not[a] seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
Romans 10:8-11
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”[a](that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[b
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I believe that Ananda's point is that I could have left out the attitude at the end of my posting. She is right, of course. I am sorry Maggie, for stressing my point in an unChristian way. I do get carried away at times. Please forgive me.
I realize that you have a good Christian heart, and are only trying your best to understand God's word, and to do his will, as are the rest of us.
I realize that you have a good Christian heart, and are only trying your best to understand God's word, and to do his will, as are the rest of us.
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lol I'm not sure if I have the words to.
Lets just say there are three spirits,
one speaks of false doctrines and a salvation of works and how you have to follow certain rules to be saved. Also the second says that evil is needed for the world to exist and God makes it that way.
One speaks with the true words of the Bible that salvation is through belief in the heart and confess of the mouth and gives the scriptures that show that the other spirits lie and are not from God.
The first two are the demons of legalism and dualism.
Just thought those words/swords might help someone if they are in battle.
Plus people should remember what God says is needed for salvation.
Lets just say there are three spirits,
one speaks of false doctrines and a salvation of works and how you have to follow certain rules to be saved. Also the second says that evil is needed for the world to exist and God makes it that way.
One speaks with the true words of the Bible that salvation is through belief in the heart and confess of the mouth and gives the scriptures that show that the other spirits lie and are not from God.
The first two are the demons of legalism and dualism.
Just thought those words/swords might help someone if they are in battle.
Plus people should remember what God says is needed for salvation.