The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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There is no difference between those in the Body of Christ who have suffered and died for their faith for the past 2,000 Years and during the GT = no difference.
The Believers were torn apart by lions, burned alive, beheaded, stoned to death, starved to death in prison and beaten to death.
There is far more mercy in being placed under a guillotine then other means.
The Believers were torn apart by lions, burned alive, beheaded, stoned to death, starved to death in prison and beaten to death.
There is far more mercy in being placed under a guillotine then other means.
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Rev 13:15, And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16, And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17, And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:8, And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
If you are alive on the earth during the GT, you are going to worship the beast and will be killed if you won't worship his image also.
This indicates to me that those whose names are in the Lamb's Book of Life are those who will have been caught up to meet the Lord in the air before the GT begins.
Rev 13:16, And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17, And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:8, And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
If you are alive on the earth during the GT, you are going to worship the beast and will be killed if you won't worship his image also.
This indicates to me that those whose names are in the Lamb's Book of Life are those who will have been caught up to meet the Lord in the air before the GT begins.
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You're not demonstrating a Biblical refutation; you are merely denying my verse-accompanied responses.
Here's a good place to start:
1. define what a Christian is (thoroughly)
2. support the definition with Scriptures (2 or more witnesses).
3. demonstrate how the definition refutes my verse-accompanies responses.
If you go off on a new tangent, things get messy. Instead, show me my error in how I explained the passages I included in my posts.
Here's a good place to start:
1. define what a Christian is (thoroughly)
2. support the definition with Scriptures (2 or more witnesses).
3. demonstrate how the definition refutes my verse-accompanies responses.
If you go off on a new tangent, things get messy. Instead, show me my error in how I explained the passages I included in my posts.
You are oversimplifying the ideas of tribulations and trials. There are always tribulations and trials but only ONE great tribulation, like the world has never seen before. Likewise, you are overusing the term "OVERCOMERS", as if it is something we personally do. We are not the overcomers - Christ is !
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that hath overcome the world, even our faith
1Jn_5:5 And who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
True believers have been in Christ since before the world began (Eph. 1:4) In Christ is our victory, inspite of our weaknesses and sins.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that hath overcome the world, even our faith
1Jn_5:5 And who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
True believers have been in Christ since before the world began (Eph. 1:4) In Christ is our victory, inspite of our weaknesses and sins.
By being able to bear what happens. Escaping doesn't have to mean leaving the planet. An escape can happen while right in the very midst of the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation is meant for the church to suffer. Christ said Christians will suffer during that time. Revelation says the same things.
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If you notice carefully, I did not interpret that passage. I simply provided it as the first mention of "Christians" in the Bible (if you understand the principle of "first mention", then I don't need to explain further
...that is the idea I have been challenging with verse-accompanied responses.
If you're willing to settle for legitimate common ground, I'm willing to call them believers. Are you ok with that term?
...that is the idea I have been challenging with verse-accompanied responses.
If you're willing to settle for legitimate common ground, I'm willing to call them believers. Are you ok with that term?
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The Letters to the seven churches are for every Believer in Christ = You must overcome just as Christ overcame.
There is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture = it is a lie from satan = reject it and embrace the Word of God.
Revelation Begins and Ends with the SAME message to the Believer.
This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near. Rev 1:1-3
Then the angel said to me, “These words are faithful and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent His angel to show His servants what must soon take place.”
“Behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of prophecy in this book."
Rev 22:6-7
We are included in chapters 1 thru 22
There is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture = it is a lie from satan = reject it and embrace the Word of God.
Revelation Begins and Ends with the SAME message to the Believer.
This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near. Rev 1:1-3
Then the angel said to me, “These words are faithful and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent His angel to show His servants what must soon take place.”
“Behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of prophecy in this book."
Rev 22:6-7
We are included in chapters 1 thru 22
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