Cessationism and Continuationism
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They will not believe if they don't personally experience it, and they won't experience it because they refuse to believe. If you experience it it has to be demon power because they don't believe in it. So they have a nice little place of denial cut out for themselves to hide in. But I have debunked three or four of their main arguments. Watch them utterly ignore what was said.
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My job is to Testify what God has done, my job is to not make them believe. But when you have Police, Fire Department x 3, you have News Paper Writers, plus those who saw the Smoke ascending and just had to drive by and see, and let's not forget the hundreds of Neighbors, plus the Pictures of before and After to prove it, You would like to think Your Testimony has Validity to it. But like you said...
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The Bible says dark and light cannot abide together. So that means that people speaking in tongues are demonic and have no light in them. That is what they are saying. They would rather be willfully blind and accuse brothers and sisters in Christ of being demonic, than think that they could be wrong. They would be the ones lighting the match, burning the saints of old.
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The Apostles had the Truth, because, it's Evident God worked in their lives.
The Apostles had the Truth, because, of the Testimonies of what God was doing through them.
The Apostles were more Conquerors than they were ever Afflicted, because, they had the Truth.
Our lives should Pattern the Apostles Example of how God was able to use them for His Glory!
If our lives [do not] reflect these Examples, there is something wrong about the Truth in our lives.
The Apostles had the Truth, because, of the Testimonies of what God was doing through them.
The Apostles were more Conquerors than they were ever Afflicted, because, they had the Truth.
Our lives should Pattern the Apostles Example of how God was able to use them for His Glory!
If our lives [do not] reflect these Examples, there is something wrong about the Truth in our lives.
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There is a lot in there, so I will address only a few points. What made one an Apostle? They where all ordained by Jesus Himself. The original 11 by the incarnate Christ, Mathias by by lot, and Paul by Christ in His glory. To claim others as Apostles is not biblically sound nor are they ever mentioned as Apostles
God is not limited to anything. There are certain dispensation periods in which God preformed preternatural events. These were not and have not been common throughout annals of history. The closing of canonical scripture does not indicted a limiting or ceasing of Gods power. I don’t think anyone disagrees on that.
Proof-texting seems to have become the norm for many believes and non-believes alike. When disputes arises, many are quick to throw out a couple of verses to validate their positions. This a big error. Proper hermanuics are needed; such as who the author is writing to, what is the central theme of the passages, if it’s theological, poetic, wisdom, historical, prothetic, etc. I have done this many times myself.
The OP is really not about speaking in tongues per say. It’s more about how the Apostolic age ended in the first century. That was a very critical time for the church and such things were needed. Of course they will come about again when when the great tribulation occurs, but I see this as being hijacked and many being led astray with false doctrines and pseudo teachings.
God is not limited to anything. There are certain dispensation periods in which God preformed preternatural events. These were not and have not been common throughout annals of history. The closing of canonical scripture does not indicted a limiting or ceasing of Gods power. I don’t think anyone disagrees on that.
Proof-texting seems to have become the norm for many believes and non-believes alike. When disputes arises, many are quick to throw out a couple of verses to validate their positions. This a big error. Proper hermanuics are needed; such as who the author is writing to, what is the central theme of the passages, if it’s theological, poetic, wisdom, historical, prothetic, etc. I have done this many times myself.
The OP is really not about speaking in tongues per say. It’s more about how the Apostolic age ended in the first century. That was a very critical time for the church and such things were needed. Of course they will come about again when when the great tribulation occurs, but I see this as being hijacked and many being led astray with false doctrines and pseudo teachings.
Do You know who Mark, the Author of the Gospel of Mark is? Disciple of Peter
Do you know who Timothy was? Disciple of Paul
Do You know who Polycarp and many Others were? Disciple of John, the Beloved
They were Disciples of the Apostles.
The Apostles made Disciples, who made Disciples, and continued making Disciples down until Now!
So, the entire Lineage goes back to Christ!
Do you know who Timothy was? Disciple of Paul
Do You know who Polycarp and many Others were? Disciple of John, the Beloved
They were Disciples of the Apostles.
The Apostles made Disciples, who made Disciples, and continued making Disciples down until Now!
So, the entire Lineage goes back to Christ!
This where I take issue with word of faith movement as it is today. The notion that people don’t experience these things is because of a lack of faith. That’s an utter fallacy. God chooses whom He will give credence to and whom He will not. This has nothing to do with our own ability or willingness.
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Gal - But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord’s brother.
1 Cor- For I think that God has exhibited us apostles as last of all (Apollos)
Acts- But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their garments and rushed out into the crowd, crying out,..
2 Cor. -As for Titus, he is my partner and fellow worker for your benefit. And as for our brothers, they are messengers 6 of the churches, the glory of Christ.
Timothy and Silvanus– I Thessalonians 1:1 and 2:6
Epaphroditus–Philippians 2:25. While the King James Version translates the word as “messenger”, the Greek word (apostolon) is actually “apostle”.
"We know additional apostles besides these men exist because Christ, after His ascension, appointed “some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers . . . until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ” (Ephesians 4:11-13)."
Andronicus and Junia–Romans 16:7 “Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.”
I'm glad you do agree, but some here do not. So I was making that point for those who do not agree.
I used Bible verses that make clear that it didn't. I gave you names and verses to prove that.
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1 Corinthians 14:39-40 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
1 Thessalonians 5:19-22 19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not treat prophecies with contempt 21 but test them all; hold on to what is good, 22 reject every kind of evil.
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