Election, that most contentious doctrine.
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I agree but there are many who believe that we who are saved were predestined while others are predestined to suffer hell. True enough they show scripture to support it but anyone can quote scripture but to understand it and to understand the person God is requires more than knowing bible verses.
A good example is the analogy I spoke of, God fashioned us in his image so if you have two children and you knew a certain event was going to happen would you tell both of them how to escape it hoping they would listen or would you simply destine one to death while the other life.
Anyone who is a parent could never argue this because no parent in their right minds would do such a horrible thing yet they think God being the original parent would.
A good example is the analogy I spoke of, God fashioned us in his image so if you have two children and you knew a certain event was going to happen would you tell both of them how to escape it hoping they would listen or would you simply destine one to death while the other life.
Anyone who is a parent could never argue this because no parent in their right minds would do such a horrible thing yet they think God being the original parent would.
That is correct. We need to carefully look at the context of those passages which have "election" and "predestination" in order to see that in the foreknowledge of God, those who believe are predestined to be perfected and glorified. That is the ultimate purpose of salvation. That the children of God will be totally conformed to the image of Christ (who is both perfect and glorious).
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. (Rom 8:29,30)
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. (Rom 8:29,30)
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In fact Stephen accused the unbelieving Jews of ALWAYS resisting the Holy Ghost: Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. (Acts 7:51) Stephen took them all the way back to the unbelieving Israelites ("your fathers").
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But, if you would break down every election Verse found in the English Version of the KJV, New KJV, and Others, they are very different from the Tanakh, the Hebrew to which these English Versions should be following.
And you would discover that Predestination is about All of humanity, because God created humanity to Serve Him, not a few, but every Human was created to Worship and Serve God.
Every single person who hears the Word of God preached, will be given a chance to follow, by God's Personal Invitation. Unfortunately, not every human being that hears the Word, receives the Invitation from God, will Accept. And that is called FREE WILL!
FREE WILL means exactly that, we are FREE to Accept or Deny God's Invitation!
FREE WILL trumps every Doctrine that suggests otherwise!
FREE WILL was found in the Garden where we see 2 Believers in God, CHOOSE by their FREE WILL, to Disobey God!
That Same Condition of FREE WILL applies to Every Human Being ever born afterwards.
Nothing can Refute God's Condition of FREE WILL!
John 3:16 not only claims the Son was sent to die for the world, but then specifies that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES will be Saved.
WHOSOEVER BELIEVES = FREE WILL!
And you would discover that Predestination is about All of humanity, because God created humanity to Serve Him, not a few, but every Human was created to Worship and Serve God.
Every single person who hears the Word of God preached, will be given a chance to follow, by God's Personal Invitation. Unfortunately, not every human being that hears the Word, receives the Invitation from God, will Accept. And that is called FREE WILL!
FREE WILL means exactly that, we are FREE to Accept or Deny God's Invitation!
FREE WILL trumps every Doctrine that suggests otherwise!
FREE WILL was found in the Garden where we see 2 Believers in God, CHOOSE by their FREE WILL, to Disobey God!
That Same Condition of FREE WILL applies to Every Human Being ever born afterwards.
Nothing can Refute God's Condition of FREE WILL!
John 3:16 not only claims the Son was sent to die for the world, but then specifies that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES will be Saved.
WHOSOEVER BELIEVES = FREE WILL!
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Even though we know before the Flood of Noah, those that died were considered OFFSPRING of the Fallen Angels, GOD still had NOAH preach to them and OFFER them to board the Ark.
But, FREE WILL, is why those who heard Noah's preaching [refused] and mocked him!
But they still WERE OFFERED a chance to be Saved!
But, FREE WILL, is why those who heard Noah's preaching [refused] and mocked him!
But they still WERE OFFERED a chance to be Saved!
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LOL - And so you see, he was blocklisted and knew it, yet chose to show the rest of you who he/she is and what he/she is actually made of. BTW: This is the exact, exact kind of person that I suggested that we avoid like Covid-19. Try, make attempts . . . yes. But after a while, we must turn and walk away. Dino was on my BL long ago, but during Christmas I took all parties off of that list, not because it's a Christmas gift of some kind, but because God forgave me, thus I choose that time to give all others a chance, too.
So, this is nothing new, and quite frankly, I'm amazed that I lasted this long before I placed them back on the BL.
Thanks for the support, Blain!
So, this is nothing new, and quite frankly, I'm amazed that I lasted this long before I placed them back on the BL.
Thanks for the support, Blain!
There is a continuous narrative of the notion of election though out the OT/NT. That certainly is apparent. I didn’t always post verses as I think people should validate the claims based on their merit and not what my opinion may be. Of course there are verses that seem contrary to that. How do we reconcile this dichotomy? I don’t have an answer that is sufficient. What it comes down to is, does God choose us or do we choose him? I guess it depends on who you ask.
