All have sinned .....Romans 3:23

[Roughsoul1991]

The Holy Spirit is God!
So, do you think God had sex with Mary?

Again what does the scripture say

The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born.

Does this imply sex? No. Does this imply something supernatural? Yes.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Again what does the scripture say

The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born.

Does this imply sex? No. Does this imply something supernatural? Yes.

Invitro without surgery is 10000000000000000000000000000000% Supernatural

 

[Nehemiah6]

So how did Jesus avoid having original sin?

Read the account of the birth of Christ.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Invitro without surgery is 10000000000000000000000000000000% Supernatural

But you also forget the 50/50 ratio. Both human and both divine.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

The Holy Spirit lives inside of us.
He was inside the temple/body of Mary and planted the seeded egg.
The term OVERSHADOW is used before Christ Ascended and the Holy Spirit began INFILLING US.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

But you also forget the 50/50 ratio. Both human and both divine.

Who made Humans?
You don't think He can make a Seed that is fertilized to be what He created with Adam?

Wasn't Adam created SINLESS and a Human Flesh Being?

 

[Tman]

Again where does it describe how Mary became pregnant other than Luke 1:23-24.

All I'm saying is it was of the Holy Spirit.

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

That's it; you made up the part about Gods Holy Ovaries

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Who made Humans?
You don't think He can make a Seed that is fertilized to be what He created with Adam?

Again, this is speculation. All we know is through the Holy Spirit, Mary became pregnant but remained a virgin.

 

[Tman]

Who made Humans?
You don't think He can make a Seed that is fertilized to be what He created with Adam?

Wasn't Adam created SINLESS and a Human Flesh Being?

And you don't think the second Adam, a full man god Jesus, indwelt by the spirit, could not have had a sin nature otherwise he would have sinned; he showed us that we can go without sinning, that was the point

 

[Roughsoul1991]

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

That's it; you made up the part about Gods Holy Ovaries

I think you are replying to the wrong person. All I did was quote scripture luke 1:34-35.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

then Hebrews is wrong, he wasnt fully man, and he wasn't the second Adam; he had to be lkike us in everyway, that's what the word says

Did Jesus sin?

 

[Tman]

The Holy Spirit is God!
So, do you think God had sex with Mary?

No, I think God put divine sperm in Mary's human uterus, supernaturally, and the sperm fertilized one of her eggs the way God created reproduction to work ; it had to be Mary's egg

Putting a feritlize pig egg in a human uterus and there will be a pig in a human

Putting God egg and God sperm in a human would be fully God
but pig sperm and female egg is half and half;
we are told Jesus is fully God and fully man

I guess what defines fully man ?

God acting like a man isn't fully man

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Again, this is speculation. All we know is through the Holy Spirit, Mary became pregnant but remained a virgin.

We are all speculating because the exact words to describe what happened are not presented. But we know what the process is called when a fertile egg is implanted into another woman's womb.

It is the best guess we have and explains how Christ was born sinless, still human, and Mary remained a Virgin.

Plus, the Holy Spirit lives inside of us, That would be easy, because Mary consented, the Holy Spirit infilled her spirit and planted the Fertile Egg into her Womb.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

No, I think God put divine sperm in Mary's human uterus, supernaturally, and the sperm fertilized one of her eggs the way God created reproduction to work ; it had to be Mary's egg

Putting a feritlize pig egg in a human uterus and there will be a pig in a human

Putting God egg and God sperm in a human would be fully God
but pig sperm and female egg is half and half;
we are told Jesus is fully God and fully man

I guess what defines fully man ?

God acting like a man isn't fully man

If Christ had any part of Mary's DNA, He cannot be sinless at Birth. So, that answer can never be correct!

 

[Roughsoul1991]

We are all speculating because the exact words to describe what happened are not presented. But we know what the process is called when a fertile egg is implanted into another woman's womb.

It is the best guess we have and explains how Christ was born sinless, still human, and Mary remained a Virgin.

Plus, the Holy Spirit lives inside of us, That would be easy, because Mary consented, the Holy Spirit infilled her spirit and planted the Fertile Egg into her Womb.

I quoted scripture so no I'm not speculating. I simply said all we know is what Luke 1:34-35 has to say. In other places of scripture we also learn Jesus was fully human but also God incarnate.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

I quoted scripture so no I'm not speculating. I simply said all we know is what Luke 1:34-35 has to say. In other places of scripture we also learn Jesus was fully human but also God incarnate.

Do you believe God can make a human Egg, Fertilize it, and without having sex, plant that fertile seed into a woman's womb without having the woman's DNA and still be born a Sinless Human?

Do you think God is capable of doing that?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Jesus told us to know the truth and be set free.....

Jesus was sinless (Hebrews 4:15, 1 John 3:5)
Jesus was a descendant of Adam as per Luke 3
Descendants of Adam receive original sin because they were in Adam when Adam sinned (Romans 5:12)
So how did Jesus avoid having original sin?

Hebrews 2
14 Because God’s children are human beings—made of flesh and blood—the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had[g] the power of death. 15 Only in this way could he set free all who have lived their lives as slaves to the fear of dying.
17 Therefore, it was necessary for him to be made in every respect like us, his brothers and sisters, so that he could be our merciful and faithful High Priest before God. Then he could offer a sacrifice that would take away the sins of the people.

Some claim sin only passes through the mother......I'm not buying it

So either Jesus was born WITH a sinful nature, or we are born WITHOUT a sinful nature.

So much for the "T" in Total Depraviyty .....

In Adam all DIE

The curse of sin (death) Passes through adam. Not eve It is why Jesus was born of a virgin.

I disagree with total depravity in the calvin context also.

but we are born dead (spiritually) where Christ was born alive (spiritually)

 

[Tman]

In Adam all DIE

The curse of sin (death) Passes through adam. Not eve It is why Jesus was born of a virgin.

I disagree with total depravity in the calvin context also.

but we are born dead (spiritually) where Christ was born alive (spiritually)

ummmm, Mary was a descendant of Adam as well .....

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

OK, so you deny/don't believe this passage :
Hebrew 2
17 Therefore, it was necessary for him to be made in every respect like us, his brothers and sisters, so that he could be our merciful and faithful High Priest before God. Then he could offer a sacrifice that would take away the sins of the people.

IF JESUS WASNT FULLY MAN, as you are claiming, then He couldn't offer a sacrifice that would take away sins. Or He could, because He is God, and all of this death burial and resurrection were cheap parlor tricks. So why would God have to PRETEND like he was a man, hoping we'd be tricked into thinking he was a human just like us....

I think what you suggest is contrary to Gods nature

God either became a man and did it = BIG DEAL

Or did it in His divine authority for attention = NO BIG DEAL

Jesus was born as adam was created

He did not have to be born spiritually dead.

Adam was born spiritually alive, but with the ability to sin. As was Jesus

We are born spiritually dead with no ability to not sin.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

ummmm, Mary was a descendant of Adam as well .....

Yes she was

But the penalty of sin was passed through adam, not Eve.

If spiritual death was passed through eve, then there would be no need of a virgin birth, and jesus would have been born disqualified to take our sin, he would be guilty also

The curse of adam was not passed to Jesus