Well, bro, I'm sure you'll be somewhat distressed to know [as I've mentioned in past posts], that I am one who does not see "Rapture = Feast of Trumpets" (not how I'm seeing things in Scripture; I do understand why ppl believe so... for ONE reason, because they believe Matt24:36 is speaking on the SUBJECT of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" rather than what it IS speaking on: His Second Coming to the earth... and the fact they believe the reference / wording in that verse is to a particular "idiom" referencing specifically the "FoTr"... [etc]--for a brief while, about 10 yrs ago, I HAD entertained the idea... but now I'm back to my original thoughts on that [from the mid-70s] which I believe to be more accurate, on this point...)
The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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Oh no, I definitely am NOT firmly convinced of the feast of trumpets/rapture theory. Not at all.
It's something I'm presently studying more in depth at the moment. There may be something there but I remain unconvinced.....as of now.
This is going to take a while......
However I DO believe that Jesus is invoking this Jewish concept of uncertainty in terms of timing as it relates to the sighting of a new moon. Not necessarily linking it to the feast of trumpets.
It's something I'm presently studying more in depth at the moment. There may be something there but I remain unconvinced.....as of now.
This is going to take a while......
However I DO believe that Jesus is invoking this Jewish concept of uncertainty in terms of timing as it relates to the sighting of a new moon. Not necessarily linking it to the feast of trumpets.
Yes, I can agree with you there... as "trumpet" was apparently blown at EVERY "new moon" (per Numbers 10:10)
[again, context of Matt24:36 being His Second Coming to the earth (NOT "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]"); so think: Matt24:29-31 / Isa27:12-13,[9]... coz there's a "trumpet" sounded then too (NOT being "our Rapture" event)]
[again, context of Matt24:36 being His Second Coming to the earth (NOT "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]"); so think: Matt24:29-31 / Isa27:12-13,[9]... coz there's a "trumpet" sounded then too (NOT being "our Rapture" event)]
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Oh no, I definitely am NOT firmly convinced of the feast of trumpets/rapture theory. Not at all.
It's something I'm presently studying more in depth at the moment. There may be something there but I remain unconvinced.....as of now.
This is going to take a while......
in terms of timing as it relates to the sighting of a new moon. Not necessarily linking it to the feast of trumpets.
It's something I'm presently studying more in depth at the moment. There may be something there but I remain unconvinced.....as of now.
This is going to take a while......
in terms of timing as it relates to the sighting of a new moon. Not necessarily linking it to the feast of trumpets.
"However I DO believe [that it may be possible] that Jesus is invoking this Jewish concept of uncertainty..."
Doubtless, the unquestionably demonstrated theme of reference is the motif of the Jewish wedding ceremony. Given how often "the thief in the night" and exorbitant wedding parables present themselves.
When the Fathers says the house is complete, He then commands the Son to go "snatch" His Bride. The Son must await the command of the Father and does not know the exact time. Very straightforward.
Really I'm just wondering if it is a combination of both of these themes! Lol....
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"However I DO believe [that it may be possible] that Jesus is invoking this Jewish concept of uncertainty..."
Doubtless, the unquestionably demonstrated theme of reference is the motif of the Jewish wedding ceremony. and exorbitant wedding parables present themselves.
When the Fathers says the house is complete, He then commands the Son to go "snatch" His Bride. The Son must await the command of the Father and does not know the exact time. Very straightforward.
Really I'm just wondering if it is a combination of both of these themes! Lol....
"However I DO believe [that it may be possible] that Jesus is invoking this Jewish concept of uncertainty..."
Doubtless, the unquestionably demonstrated theme of reference is the motif of the Jewish wedding ceremony. and exorbitant wedding parables present themselves.
When the Fathers says the house is complete, He then commands the Son to go "snatch" His Bride. The Son must await the command of the Father and does not know the exact time. Very straightforward.
Really I'm just wondering if it is a combination of both of these themes! Lol....
"Given how often "thief" and......"
"Thief in the night" is always related to the DOTL. Not the rapture. My bad.
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--"Behold, I come AS A THIEF." = His Second Coming to the earth / Armageddon time-slot (Rev19)
--"the day of the Lord so cometh [/arrives] like A THIEF IN THE NIGHT" = the ARRIVAL of the 7-yr Tribulation period (earthly-located also; way back at SEAL #1)
( @cv5 )--"Behold, I come AS A THIEF." = His Second Coming to the earth / Armageddon time-slot (Rev19)
--"the day of the Lord so cometh [/arrives] like A THIEF IN THE NIGHT" = the ARRIVAL of the 7-yr Tribulation period (earthly-located also; way back at SEAL #1)
But the precise phrase "as a thief in the night" refers exclusively to the DOTL.
I need to be be more precise....and stop being so sloppy. Lessons I need to learn....
The day of the Lord in this context is rapture and second coming
The day of the Lord is prural in this context pronounce of second coming and rapture
Ex
John and smith went to LA
They visited their friend's
They in this context is plural pronounce of j & s
A, B, C went to hispital
They visit their friend
They in this context is plural pronounce of ABC
Depend of the context
The day of the Lord in the context of 2 Tess 2 verse 2-3 is prural pronounce of verse 1 ( second coming and rapture)
The day of the Lord is prural in this context pronounce of second coming and rapture
Ex
John and smith went to LA
They visited their friend's
They in this context is plural pronounce of j & s
A, B, C went to hispital
They visit their friend
They in this context is plural pronounce of ABC
Depend of the context
The day of the Lord in the context of 2 Tess 2 verse 2-3 is prural pronounce of verse 1 ( second coming and rapture)
The Man of Sin
The Son of Perdition
The Prince that shall come
The Assyrian
The Little horn
The Idol Shepard
The Wicked One
The Willful king
Ostensibly 33 different titles between the Old and New Testament.
Are you actually saying that you did not know about these? How is that even possible for a person who says that they study the Bible?
The Son of Perdition
The Prince that shall come
The Assyrian
The Little horn
The Idol Shepard
The Wicked One
The Willful king
Ostensibly 33 different titles between the Old and New Testament.
Are you actually saying that you did not know about these? How is that even possible for a person who says that they study the Bible?
The day of the LORD IS 1000 YEARS. Satan is bound 1000 years. We know EXACTLY WHEN THE DAY of the LORD begins because we are children of the light and the Day of the Lord/the day of vengeance in which will not come upon us as a thief in the night but when they will be saying PEACE AND SAFETY, sudden destruction comes UPON THEM But not US BECAUSE we have THE LIGHT DWELLING INSIDE OF US and the HOLY SPIRIT will never pour wrath upon Himself.
Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD
and the day of vengeance of our God to comfort all that mourn
3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
4 And they shall build the old wastes they shall raise up the former desolations and they shall repair the waste cities the desolations of many generations.
5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion therefore in their land they shall possess the double everlasting joy shall be unto them.
8 For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.
9 And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed.
shallow WIDE MOUTHED bowls are the WRATH OF GOD POURED OUT.
5357. phialé ►
Strong's Concordance
phialé: a (shallow) bowl
Original Word: φιάλη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: phialé
Phonetic Spelling: (fee-al'-ay)
Definition: a (shallow) bowl
Usage: a shallow and flat bowl.
And one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven bowl golden full of the wrath of God, the [One] living to the ages of the ages.
And was filled the temple with smoke from the glory of God and from the power of Him and no one was able to enter into the temple until were completed the seven plagues of the seven angels
1632. ekcheo ►
Strong's Concordance
ekcheo: I pour out, shed
Original Word: ἐκχέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: ekcheo
Phonetic Spelling: ( ek-kheh'-o,)
Definition: to pour out, to bestow
Usage: I pour out (liquid or solid); I shed, bestow liberally.
And I heard loud voice from the temple saying to the angels God and pour out the seven bowls of the wrath of God into the earth
If pretrib rapture was correct doctrine, why isn't there ANY verse that actually shows Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven?
Seems like a huge omit if it were true.
The Bible refers to the resurrection of believers in the singular. There is therefore just one. Not "stages" or "series" of them. Just one.
1 Cor 15:23 shows that ALL believers (those who belong to Him) will be resurrected "when He comes", which is the Second Advent.
And 2 Thess 2:1 says all this in very clear words.
Seems like a huge omit if it were true.
The Bible refers to the resurrection of believers in the singular. There is therefore just one. Not "stages" or "series" of them. Just one.
1 Cor 15:23 shows that ALL believers (those who belong to Him) will be resurrected "when He comes", which is the Second Advent.
And 2 Thess 2:1 says all this in very clear words.
No, it has been laid out IN ALL UNCERTAIN TERMS. That is the problem. NOT ONE CLEAR VERSES. NOT one time. EVERY VERSE can be taken in two different ways. Many verses require all common sense to be cast aside. Apostasy we are being told is equal to departure and departure MEANS transforming and going to heaven as a group. Is it stealth or is it not? Is is the whole body or is it parts. There is not one thing to hang a hat on. THE DEFICIENCY IS YOURS.
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