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What does eschatology have to do with sinning? You know the mother of harlots the catholic church teaches amillennalism? Didn't stop them from living in sin and depravity.

You can sin no matter what eschatology view you hold to.
Oh, i see, you realize i'm making some sense so you start accusing me of being a Catholic ...anything ...absolutely anything to protect your sins.
 

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Is this a joke response? Read the Scripture again and try to give a real excuse. the mark of the beast was 2,000 years ago.
Even if you believe it was in the past, it still wouldn't work because the mark of the beast comes AFTER Jesus' resurrection, not before it. And the people in Matthew 27 do not fit that time frame, they had already died.

Also Paul says some were wrecking the faith of many by teaching the resurrection had already happened. (Notice timeframe here, again, after Death burial and Resurrection of Jesus)
 

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Oh, i see, you realize i'm making some sense so you start accusing me of being a Catholic ...anything ...absolutely anything to protect your sins.
No you really aren't making any sense whatsoever, you are equating eschatology to sin.

It is hilarious because the all the people I know who are living righteous are premilllennials, the only amillennialists i know of are churchianity people like calvinists and catholics and lutherans with no type of spiritual activity whatsoever. Just worldly living with weekly church visitation, the only difference is I do not claim this is because of their eschatology, just pointing this out to show how outlandish your claims are.
 
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Even if you believe it was in the past, it still wouldn't work because the mark of the beast comes AFTER Jesus' resurrection, not before it. And the people in Matthew 27 do not fit that time frame, they had already died.

Also Paul says some were wrecking the faith of many by teaching the resurrection had already happened. (Notice timeframe here, again, after Death burial and Resurrection of Jesus)
There isn't something that said the mark of the beast had to be before His Resurrection. The mark was with nero.
 
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No you really aren't making any sense whatsoever, you are equating eschatology to sin.

It is hilarious because the all the people I know who are living righteous are premilllennials, the only amillennialists i know of are churchianity people like calvinists and catholics and lutherans with no type of spiritual activity whatsoever. Just worldly living with weekly church visitation, the only difference is I do not claim this is because of their eschatology, just pointing this out to show how outlandish your claims are.
i work for GOD, do you think He cares about you going to a building to show people how religious you are?

Here is the problem ...you don't consider what this Millennium Reign would involve. You say JESUS will physically be here ...with people that will eventually turn on Him. The problem being SALVATION is based of Faith ...do you think GOD is just going stop doing the test this way? Direct evidence of GOD ruins your view.
 

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Do You even read the Bible?

The Age we are in now is the Gentile Reign. It's the Era the Jews were removed and the Gentile accepted. This must first be fulfilled before Christ Returns.

You really are so lost and off, I am cringing what you might post next!
the entire early Christian church were Jews who had converted to Christianity and then Gentiles that converted to Christianity. gentile and Jew are no different anymore everyone is a gentile now until we convert to Christ then we become children of Abraham and heirs of his promise.

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:6

God recognized ot israel of the flesh according to the old covenant curses they fulfilled and then an israel of the spirit born when one is baptized into Christ becoming a new born true Israelite and heir of abrahams promise together with Christ.

flesh identity isn’t a thing anymore born of Jewish blood or gentile blood means nothing it’s now about christs bloodline and those who believe and get baptized into abrahams promise for all people

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. …..Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39, 41, 47‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The Old Testament things of the natural world led us here

“But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. …..And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. ( Gentiles and Jew all kindreds but Jew first)

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:18, 20-21, 24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s an earthly isreal that’s desolate and a heavenly israel that’s being filled with people who believe in Jesus the seed of Abraham and promise of God[/QUOTE]
 

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There isn't something that said the mark of the beast had to be before His Resurrection. The mark was with nero.
The thing is, the people who were resurrected in Matthew 27, never even saw Nero. Nero was not even ruling when they had died.
 
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This Op has no idea how Matthew 24 is laid out. Stop responding to IT, you only give Satan and False Doctrines life by doing so!
 
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The thing is, the people who were resurrected in Matthew 27, never even saw Nero. Nero was not even ruling when they had died.
hmm, you got me there, okay, maybe nero isn't all versions of the mark.

the mark of the beast is about your forehead and right hand ....your thoughts and works ...you are either on GOD'S Plan with His Seal ...or you are on satan's ...the flesh.
 

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hmm, you got me there, okay, maybe nero isn't all versions of the mark.

the mark of the beast is about your forehead and right hand ....your thoughts and works ...you are either on GOD'S Plan with His Seal ...or you are on satan's ...the flesh.
amen

“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:

whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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hmm, you got me there, okay, maybe nero isn't all versions of the mark.

the mark of the beast is about your forehead and right hand ....your thoughts and works ...you are either on GOD'S Plan with His Seal ...or you are on satan's ...the flesh.
On this part we agree, whether the mark is literal and the buying is literal, one thing we can both agree on is the whole book of Revelation is about we either side with God and His commandments, or devil's side and go our own way.
 

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On this part we agree, whether the mark is literal and the buying is literal, one thing we can both agree on is the whole book of Revelation is about we either side with God and His commandments, or devil's side and go our own way.
does anyone think this could offer any insight into the seal of God ?

“And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand;

and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar. And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not.

And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭9:2-5, 8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Worth considering what this can show us
 
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Look at Revelation 13:17
17 and that no one should be able to buy or sell, but he that had the mark, the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Notice, it can be a MARK that identifies with 666, OR, it can be the NAME of the BEAST.

So, it is a physical Mark.

And if we remove the numbers portion [666], what would the NAME of the BEAST be?
 
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The image statue created by Nebuchadnezzar was 60 feet tall, 6 feet wide, 6 feet deep.



Many Hebrew Scholars place the Name of Babylon = 666



Could the Beast's Name be Babylon?
 
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does anyone think this could offer any insight into the seal of God ?

“And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand;

and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar. And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not.

And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭9:2-5, 8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Worth considering what this can show us
Deuteronomy 11:18
Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

Deuteronomy 6:8
And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

i'm not sure if the following is related ...but what if it is?

Matthew 23:35-39
...whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
 

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The image statue created by Nebuchadnezzar was 60 feet tall, 6 feet wide, 6 feet deep.



Many Hebrew Scholars place the Name of Babylon = 666



Could the Beast's Name be Babylon?
was it really !??? Wow I never knew that.

when you say beast are you talking about the seven headed beast ? The seventh head of the beast ? Or the beast that comes up from the abyss kills the two witnesses and goes into perdition ?
 
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was it really !??? Wow I never knew that.

when you say beast are you talking about the seven headed beast ? The seventh head of the beast ? Or the beast that comes up from the abyss kills the two witnesses and goes into perdition ?
And the Statue of Nebuchadnezzar represented the 7/10 kingdoms of the Earth like the Beasts Heads represent.

The Name could very well be Babylon
 

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Deuteronomy 11:18
Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.


Deuteronomy 6:8
And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.


i'm not sure if the following is related ...but what if it is?

Matthew 23:35-39
...whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
it’s referencing abrahams covenant within the law that’s a witness of many things paul discourses upon . Note the most important commandment Jesus explained

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

And it shall be, when the Lord thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not,

…Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.

Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you; (For the Lord thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the Lord thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:4-10, 13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked the Lord to anger.”
‭‭Judges‬ ‭2:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not be quenched.”
‭‭2 Chronicles‬ ‭34:25‬ ‭

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

…Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6…‭KJV‬‬

That’s why we need to be saved

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

….Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We’re saved from this worlds fate for the promises Jesus made of his kingdom

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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And the Statue of Nebuchadnezzar represented the 7/10 kingdoms of the Earth like the Beasts Heads represent.

The Name could very well be Babylon
yes nebucadnezzar is for sure the first king of the seven headed beast I agree there.

I think the beast who has the number is the eighth king who rules with the ten and uproots the Three before him

notice he comes two times like Jesus does.

“The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:

and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

And there are seven kings: five are fallen, ( past) and one is, ( johns present) and the other is not yet come; ( johns immediate future ) and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. ( 7 heads complete.

( now he explains the beast that was and is not but will be )

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them:

for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:8, 10-14‬ ‭

nebucadnezzar began to fulfill a pattern began by pharaoh wicked men ruling a wicked earth because man rebelled against our Good God Babylon , Greece , Egypt , rome , United States , China ….

through time there’s always a nation ruling over the others sort of dictating the earth. Every nation falls
Because of thier wickedness and abuse of power and then another rises up by Gods Will