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it’s referencing abrahams covenant within the law that’s a witness of many things paul discourses upon . Note the most important commandment Jesus explained

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

And it shall be, when the Lord thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not,

…Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.

Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you; (For the Lord thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the Lord thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:4-10, 13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked the Lord to anger.”
‭‭Judges‬ ‭2:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not be quenched.”
‭‭2 Chronicles‬ ‭34:25‬ ‭

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

…Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6…‭KJV‬‬

That’s why we need to be saved

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

….Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We’re saved from this worlds fate for the promises Jesus made of his kingdom

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬
The image of the beast is obviously the opposite of the Reborn Image ...the mark of the beast and the Seal of GOD are probably the same deal.

Exodus 13:16
And it shall be for a token upon thine hand, and for frontlets between thine eyes: for by strength of hand the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt.


...out of Egypt ...out of the beast system.
 

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The image of the beast is obviously the opposite of the Reborn Image ...the mark of the beast and the Seal of GOD are probably the same deal.

Exodus 13:16
And it shall be for a token upon thine hand, and for frontlets between thine eyes: for by strength of hand the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt.


...out of Egypt ...out of the beast system.
yep there’s always a natural figure in the ot of the spiritual things in revelation
 
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yep there’s always a natural figure in the ot of the spiritual things in revelation
If Premills understood what the mark the beast actually was ...they might wake to their view being wrong.
Do they really think satan is going to hand something physical out that the person could later dig out if they changed their mind?


We are right on the edge of something big here. If the OT is about flesh then Jews before CHRIST didn't have access to The Reborn Image (Heart) ...but they could be Sealed by GOD. Most ended up on the serpent's team ...with his image, mark, and plan.
 
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Our spirit is our perception of reality. Jews couldn't be Reborn like us ...they couldn't be resurrected like us ...they couldn't perceive the test we are in. If GOD Sealed a Jew, they had Faith in The City built without hands and were later resurrected with/after CHRIST.

Romans 6:3-12
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.



When GOD "formed" Adam, He was forming Adam's Image to be Holy. Adam was taken from dark/chaotic dust and placed in The Garden.

When Adam fell, his image became corrupted for all of man because Adam represented humankind. We are Adam and Eve when we are a dead spirit (flesh perception) that isn't Reborn to The Holy Image.

Read 1 Corinthians 15:44-49 again. i think it is saying JESUS is the Last Adam ...in us. "The first man Adam" might be you.
  • 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
  • 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
  • 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
  • 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
  • 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
  • 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
 
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"The devil was conquered by his own trophy of victory. The devil jumped for joy, when he seduced the first man, and cast him down to death. By seducing the first man, he killed him; by killing the last man, he lost the first from his snare." - Augustine

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
 
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The first resurrection in Revelation 20 is not speaking about Jesus' resurrection not even a bit lol

The first resurrection of Rev 20 is of the SAINTS, the people who did not bow down to the beast...
Why would we Reign as Priests if JESUS is physically here for The Millennium?

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
 
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The first resurrection in Revelation 20 is not speaking about Jesus' resurrection not even a bit lol

The first resurrection of Rev 20 is of the SAINTS, the people who did not bow down to the beast...
1 Corinthians 15:20-24
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
 
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We have a share in JESUS' Resurrection. The First Resurrection. The Reborn Kingdom Image.

We were dead and can now hear His Voice ...we can know The Narrow Path of SALVATION:


John 5 sounds like JESUS is doing some type of Judging while we are still physically alive? Could It be the Judgments from Revelation before the Final Judgment?

Two Resurrections

John 5:25-30
[[Resur 1]] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming,
and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

[[Resur 2]] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.



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Colossians 2:10-13
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
 
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The Kingdom is already in place so there are "ages to come".

Ephesians 1:20
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,


Ephesians 2:5-7
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Rom 8:8
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


Playlist of this guy talking about Revelation:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CADigTnXxPI&list=PLYFBLkHop2akIGtKdFHrLRR1GXSPUnX4Q&index=45
 

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If Premills understood what the mark the beast actually was ...they might wake to their view being wrong.
Do they really think satan is going to hand something physical out that the person could later dig out if they changed their mind?


We are right on the edge of something big here. If the OT is about flesh then Jews before CHRIST didn't have access to The Reborn Image (Heart) ...but they could be Sealed by GOD. Most ended up on the serpent's team ...with his image, mark, and plan.
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I think , sort of it’s a result of either receiving the seal therein or the mark there ultimately

my belief is that’s what marks us
 

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1 Corinthians 15:20-24
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.


21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
What a beautiful scripture, but I do'n't think all posters understand it. It is referring to the saints that were saved in sleep as is explained in Matthew 27: 52-53 They had been saved in sleep through the law of Moses but woke when the curtain was split at the crucifixtion of Christ. They had been taught in the way of the OT, the law given in stone and flesh, but now they are taught by Christ through the heart and will live. These are the first fruits.

These scriptures are the finest I have seen in explaining why we should obey the law through Christ and not through Moses.
 

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We have a share in JESUS' Resurrection. The First Resurrection. The Reborn Kingdom Image.

We were dead and can now hear His Voice ...we can know The Narrow Path of SALVATION:

John 5 sounds like JESUS is doing some type of Judging while we are still physically alive? Could It be the Judgments from Revelation before the Final Judgment?

Two Resurrections

John 5:25-30
[[Resur 1]] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming,
and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

[[Resur 2]] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


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Colossians 2:10-13
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
amen now brother look at revelation with this thinking and see it’s drawn out perpetual nature
 

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What a beautiful scripture, but I do'n't think all posters understand it. It is referring to the saints that were saved in sleep as is explained in Matthew 27: 52-53 They had been saved in sleep through the law of Moses but woke when the curtain was split at the crucifixtion of Christ. They had been taught in the way of the OT, the law given in stone and flesh, but now they are taught by Christ through the heart and will live. These are the first fruits.

These scriptures are the finest I have seen in explaining why we should obey the law through Christ and not through Moses.
“These scriptures are the finest I have seen in explaining why we should obey the law through Christ and not through Moses.”

the law of Christ and not the law of Moses

 

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If Premills understood what the mark the beast actually was ...they might wake to their view being wrong.
Do they really think satan is going to hand something physical out that the person could later dig out if they changed their mind?


We are right on the edge of something big here. If the OT is about flesh then Jews before CHRIST didn't have access to The Reborn Image (Heart) ...but they could be Sealed by GOD. Most ended up on the serpent's team ...with his image, mark, and plan.
reminds me of this parable

“Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world;

the good seed are the children of the kingdom;

but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:24-30, 36-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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If Jesus already made His Second Coming, then why are we not in His physical presence like the Bible explains in detail.

EACH TIME YOU GIVE THIS OP A CHANCE, HE REVERTS BACK TO HIS FALSE DOCTRINE.

LET HIM ENJOY HIS LIES FOR HIS OWN PLEASURE!
 

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“These scriptures are the finest I have seen in explaining why we should obey the law through Christ and not through Moses.”

the law of Christ and not the law of Moses
Your play on words can get people quite mixed up. Because Paul called the commands that were fleshly like cutting flesh "the law of Moses" people get what Paul said about this law mixed up with the ten commandments that are part of the eternal law. Even that gets mixed up, because Christ changed those commandments from a law in stone to be obeyed without considering that love is the base of all real eternal law.

When this isn't explained, it can lead to a teaching to be disobedient to the Lord.
 
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John 4:20-24
Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
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The idea that Nero represents the Beast/AC in 70 A.D. is comical at best when you take Revelation 17:12 into full meaning.


I enjoy Revelation 17:12 because these 10 horns won't be fulfilled until the Beast rules.

And proves this is still to be accepted as future prophecy to be fulfilled.

12 And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet, but receive authority as kings at the same time with the beast.
 

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Your play on words can get people quite mixed up. Because Paul called the commands that were fleshly like cutting flesh "the law of Moses" people get what Paul said about this law mixed up with the ten commandments that are part of the eternal law. Even that gets mixed up, because Christ changed those commandments from a law in stone to be obeyed without considering that love is the base of all real eternal law.

When this isn't explained, it can lead to a teaching to be disobedient to the Lord.
Paul just understood the law of Moses meant the words of Moses commandments written in the book of the law of Moses.

this book Moses completed just before his death.

“And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessings and cursings, according to all that is written in the book of the law.”
‭‭Joshua‬ ‭8:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it contained all this

“There was not a word of all that Moses commanded, which Joshua read not before all the congregation of Israel, with the women, and the little ones, and the strangers that were conversant among them.”
‭‭Joshua‬ ‭8:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Whatever Moses required in the whole Torah is Moses law he wrote it and he shed The blood of animals according to its words to the twelve tribes of isreal before Christ had come as a forepattern.

“And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all the judgments: ( that’s Moses law ) and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do.

And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

…And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basins; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.

And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭24:3-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul understood the law much better than people who try to yoke it to Christians.

we Christians who are born again want this law new law that God was promising long after Moses book was written and before Christ ever came forth to speak it

We want this Word Moses foretold would come later

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that the prophets kept foretelling

Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.

My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David. ….Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:3-7, 10-11‬ ‭KJV‬

your missing the promises that witness Christ and the gospel in the law sister because your trying to mix up two seperate covenants . Moses completed his own covenant he spoke all the words of the old covenant law wrote them in a book the people swore to obey them every one then he shed animal blood according to those words .

Jesus made his own covenant too his words and his blood. They don’t go together he fulfilled the promises of the law and prophets

now beginning with the gospel he’s made a new covenant with a better word. There’s a new covenant sister a new word new blood new mediator

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬