Should I force Sunday school on my son?

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ChristianTonyB

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Eh? Give this thread another read. She took a rather unrighteous, unholy wallop right across the facial.
I saw that, but I also saw how KL dealt with it. That poster also apologised. I was giving space for the conversation to move on. I suspect that poster has rethought his approach, and harsh attack. I pondered as to whether I would comment on it, but sometimes it's better to let a fire snuff out on its own, and move in a more positive direction. Sorry if my comment seemed untruthful, or unsympathetic.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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I saw that, but I also saw how KL dealt with it. That poster also apologised. I was giving space for the conversation to move on. I suspect that poster has rethought his approach, and harsh attack. I pondered as to whether I would comment on it, but sometimes it's better to let a fire snuff out on its own, and move in a more positive direction. Sorry if my comment seemed untruthful, or unsympathetic.
I guess that I'm just baffled. If you wanted for us to move on, then we just wouldn't mention it. Hey, there are worse things going on within this forum.

Peace
 

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I saw that, but I also saw how KL dealt with it. That poster also apologised. I was giving space for the conversation to move on. I suspect that poster has rethought his approach, and harsh attack. I pondered as to whether I would comment on it, but sometimes it's better to let a fire snuff out on its own, and move in a more positive direction. Sorry if my comment seemed untruthful, or unsympathetic.

Yes I did apologize. But I don't give her a complete pass. People need to try a lot harder to get to know someone before they bring a child into the world. It's not a badge of honor to be a single parent and children do best when both parents stay together.
Because of my family being ripped apart out of shear selfish stupidity on my exes part has me very mindful of single parent family's and the role a lot of women play in kicking perfectly good husbands to the curb.
Never the less I pray that the OP's son does better than average.
 
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ChristianTonyB

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Yes I did apologize. But I don't give her a complete pass. People need to try a lot harder to get to know someone before they bring a child into the world. It's not a badge of honor to be a single parent and children do best when both parents stay together.
Because of my family being ripped apart out of shear selfish stupidity
on my exes part has me very mindful of single parent family's and the role a lot of women play in kicking perfectly good husbands to the curb.
Never the less I pray that the OP's son does better than average.
I understand where you are coming from, but it's wrong to accuse someone without you knowing the facts of their situation too. You are just presuming that you know the facts of KL's life, you obviously don't. You are merely assuming that the signs you are seeing in KL's comments are similar to those you've encountered in your own life that have caused you and your family much hurt, so therefore the causes of those must be the same. That's a fault prone assumption.

Irrespective, your lashing out at KL is akin to passing judgement and sentencing on her without having the necessary witnesses to prove your case, and that is unbiblical behaviour, and therefore ungodly. Quite frankly, if I was a moderator on this site I would ask to have a chat with you to see if I can help you with your anger, but I would also tell you that in respect of KL, you need to zip it. Your reaction to her post is immature at best, and slanderous at worst.
 

Handyman62

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I understand where you are coming from, but it's wrong to accuse someone without you knowing the facts of their situation too. You are just presuming that you know the facts of KL's life, you obviously don't. You are merely assuming that the signs you are seeing in KL's comments are similar to those you've encountered in your own life that have caused you and your family much hurt, so therefore the causes of those must be the same. That's a fault prone assumption.

Irrespective, your lashing out at KL is akin to passing judgement and sentencing on her without having the necessary witnesses to prove your case, and that is unbiblical behaviour, and therefore ungodly. Quite frankly, if I was a moderator on this site I would ask to have a chat with you to see if I can help you with your anger, but I would also tell you that in respect of KL, you need to zip it. Your reaction to her post is immature at best, and slanderous at worst.
Most of what I said was not out of line and I apologize for what was. So if attacking me makes you feel better then so be it.
 

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Most of what I said was not out of line and I apologize for what was. So if attacking me makes you feel better then so be it.
It's not an attack, like the one that you issued. You are being properly corrected.
 

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Would it not be more productive to just go back to trying to help the OP?
For the sake of protecting others in the future, you needed to be corrected.

It's not a big deal. I've been corrected too . . . it's a part of life. We just have to do better, myself included.
 

Handyman62

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For the sake of protecting others in the future, you needed to be corrected.

It's not a big deal. I've been corrected too . . . it's a part of life. We just have to do better, myself included.
You don't have the ability or the right to correct me of anything. But if you want to think that you are above me in some moral standing than go right ahead. But for the sake of this thread I will put you on ignore and I will drop out of it.
 

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You don't have the ability or the right to correct me of anything. But if you want to think that you are above me in some moral standing than go right ahead. But for the sake of this thread I will put you on ignore and I will drop out of it.
@KarynLouise - This nonsense above is why you shouldn't ever, EVER worry about people who thrust themselves at you with their harsh judgement. Pretty amazing, isn't it? Handyman can correct you, but he is uncorrectable. And if he is corrected, we are corrected in return by being placed on the ignore list.

There's a first for everything.
 

Lanolin

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sounds like you on the right track KL talking to the children minister and if your son needs to talk with someone, (other than you) about his fears make sure you find a biblical counsellor. But you can be example and talk to God about it as well. He just needs assurance that you are going to be fine.

Also some creative outlet whether its sports or music would be beneficial, something he can practice on his own while letting off a bit of steam (boys have lots of energy to burn) . He might also be the age where he can be responsible for a pet.

video games arent bad in itself..I mean who knows all the gamers may turn out to be brilliant tech whizzes in the future but the problem is many are violent and they can be addictive. Take him to the library, let him loose on whatver books hes interested into borrow in the childrens section and then follow up those interests.
 

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Remember the phrase: "It takes a village to raise a child"?

That's what I mentioned in my first and ignored response to this thread. Her son doesn't need a counselor, he needs a LOT of loving people to surround him and let him know that they love him, that he'll never be alone, and that they will do anything and everything to help him when he needs it. The problem? This world doesn't do that. Instead, we see people in the "ditch" and just keep on walkin' by saying to ourselves, "Oh. Someone else will help him."

"Christians" ignore. We don't help others. More often than not, when we see someone struggling, we usually mock them, talk about them behind their backs . . . when in reality, we need to be concerned and rush to their help and aid.

What I just wrote above is what is written about in my Avatar . . . suicide. We kill ourselves because no one is reaching out and helping those who are suffering.

So if we don't start helping this boy now, he may end up taking his own life one day. What's happening to him, right now, could be a matter of life and death, so the "church" needs to get itself together instead of worrying about attendance and how much money is in the bloody collection plate.
 

Lanolin

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well the first counselor is Jesus of course.

and we can all be as Christ to someone, even children who arent ours. Thats why many children go to school. to make friends with people other than their immediate family and siblings. (apart from education of course!)

The thing about Christian parents homeschooling is it can be a bit extreme and then they never get to socialise with others regularly and make friends outside their family.

a sunday school youd think oh safe environment, everyones christian, yes sure, or even a christian school, should be fine but TOO much homeschool can make children afraid of venturing outside their comfort zone so they dont even want to go out.
 

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well the first counselor is Jesus of course.

and we can all be as Christ to someone, even children who arent ours. Thats why many children go to school. to make friends with people other than their immediate family and siblings. (apart from education of course!)

The thing about Christian parents homeschooling is it can be a bit extreme and then they never get to socialise with others regularly and make friends outside their family.

a sunday school youd think oh safe environment, everyones christian, yes sure, or even a christian school, should be fine but TOO much homeschool can make children afraid of venturing outside their comfort zone so they dont even want to go out.
I think you're onto something, there. It was the opposite for me, but the same concept, I suppose. My mother was trying to beat my older brother and me with lengths of garden hose, hence, we tried running away from home a couple of times. Home was the last place we wanted to be.
 

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sounds like you on the right track KL talking to the children minister and if your son needs to talk with someone, (other than you) about his fears make sure you find a biblical counsellor. But you can be example and talk to God about it as well. He just needs assurance that you are going to be fine.

Also some creative outlet whether its sports or music would be beneficial, something he can practice on his own while letting off a bit of steam (boys have lots of energy to burn) . He might also be the age where he can be responsible for a pet.

video games arent bad in itself..I mean who knows all the gamers may turn out to be brilliant tech whizzes in the future but the problem is many are violent and they can be addictive. Take him to the library, let him loose on whatver books hes interested into borrow in the childrens section and then follow up those interests.
That's great advice, Lan! I'm getting ready to start him in Trail Guides and thinking about starting guitar lessons. He built an electric guitar with his dad about a year ago. I'll be more purposeful about those things. :)
 

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Remember the phrase: "It takes a village to raise a child"?

That's what I mentioned in my first and ignored response to this thread. Her son doesn't need a counselor, he needs a LOT of loving people to surround him and let him know that they love him, that he'll never be alone, and that they will do anything and everything to help him when he needs it. The problem? This world doesn't do that. Instead, we see people in the "ditch" and just keep on walkin' by saying to ourselves, "Oh. Someone else will help him."

"Christians" ignore. We don't help others. More often than not, when we see someone struggling, we usually mock them, talk about them behind their backs . . . when in reality, we need to be concerned and rush to their help and aid.

What I just wrote above is what is written about in my Avatar . . . suicide. We kill ourselves because no one is reaching out and helping those who are suffering.

So if we don't start helping this boy now, he may end up taking his own life one day. What's happening to him, right now, could be a matter of life and death, so the "church" needs to get itself together instead of worrying about attendance and how much money is in the bloody collection plate.
You know, depression runs on both sides of his family. My older son has struggled with it. I've struggled with it. My mom's struggled with it and on and on. So that is a real issue that i want to prevent. If it does happen to him, i hope that he'll have a strong faith to lean on and that he'll be able to trust me and others to talk about it. Thank you for your concern and support.
 

KarynLouise

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well the first counselor is Jesus of course.

and we can all be as Christ to someone, even children who arent ours. Thats why many children go to school. to make friends with people other than their immediate family and siblings. (apart from education of course!)

The thing about Christian parents homeschooling is it can be a bit extreme and then they never get to socialise with others regularly and make friends outside their family.

a sunday school youd think oh safe environment, everyones christian, yes sure, or even a christian school, should be fine but TOO much homeschool can make children afraid of venturing outside their comfort zone so they dont even want to go out.
He does get socialization opportunities. We've been part of homeschooling groups for field trips and play dates. He still has the most creative play time over the computer with a friend back home. It's virtual, but it's really a blessing. Plus, soon we'll have Trail Guides to add to that. When he makes a friend, he's a very loyal friend. He's a good kid. He's still so innocent. I cherish that.
 

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2nd Tim and Handyman, I'm sorry that this has become an argument for you two. I do appreciate your input. I see where you're coming from Handyman, and I'm sorry for your pain. Hopefully Christian women aren't the ones that would do those things, but sadly sometimes the label doesn't mean much. You'd never believe it if you really heard my story, but if you need someone to hear yours, feel free to send me a message outside of this thread.