Plan of Salvation
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“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
Luke 15:1-2
people who think they are righteous have a hard time hearing Jesus word it doesn’t matter to them what he says thier too busy worrying about the “ sinners “ who aren’t like them but are drawn to Jesus and his word of life
“And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Matthew 9:11-13 KJV
no men left to be saved if we disqualify the imperfect think it through forebearance look it up
Brother of you treat people like that your never going to be able to help anyone sinners need to hear the gospel of you chase people away it’s never going to bear any fruit
“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”
1 Timothy 1:15-16 KJV
You should look into what Jesus taught and I bet you find you need to work out some things
And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
Luke 15:1-2
people who think they are righteous have a hard time hearing Jesus word it doesn’t matter to them what he says thier too busy worrying about the “ sinners “ who aren’t like them but are drawn to Jesus and his word of life
“And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Matthew 9:11-13 KJV
no men left to be saved if we disqualify the imperfect think it through forebearance look it up
Brother of you treat people like that your never going to be able to help anyone sinners need to hear the gospel of you chase people away it’s never going to bear any fruit
“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”
1 Timothy 1:15-16 KJV
You should look into what Jesus taught and I bet you find you need to work out some things
oh that's ok. I just thought you were not saved....and wanted to clarify. you might be surprised at the people who do join, are actually not saved, say they are not and then proceed to try and put everyone else through the ringer
that does not apply to you...don't worry...I don't think most bother to check profiles anyway....I do
that does not apply to you...don't worry...I don't think most bother to check profiles anyway....I do
If we disagree, then make the case once, even argue without malice- the logic definition of an argument is any statement that can be proven true or false. So prove your case. They can accept it or not, but let it go, people! The constant rehashing of ad hominem attacks gets old and is distracting. And if a non-believer does come here they will get a very skewed idea of Christianity. And some of you need to loose the increase font function. 'Shouting' detracts instead of enhancing.
I give those Bibles out knowing if they are used to make a convert and admitted into fellowship in some of the churches there will be things they learn I do not agree with. WHO CARES!? The issue is salvation. Not minor doctrine. I cannot reach everyone, and honestly I'm not the greatest evangelist in town. But I can help others reach the lost and hurting. Those I help come together, putting differences aside, and work to reach out to a lost world. Sadly too many will not do that.
At the AoG church where I was attending we gave a class. I set aside my own convictions, never injecting them into the class because there was one young man in it. I would not go against what I knew his parents believed, and when even a young adult is entrusted to one's care that is a responsibility I take seriously. I put over 2000 dollars into giving that class and a lot of time because I believed in the things it taught. (It was the real Men's Ministry by Pastor Ed Cole). But some of the men who had put nothing into it decided I shouldn't be there and I was removed. Oddly enough they were not believers in the Assemblies doctrine either (that church had a healing ministry and so had more from other denominations than actual AoG's). They however had no problems teaching against AoG doctrine. An example, whenever the issue of tongues came up, I recused myself since I do not believe in it. But it is their doctrine, and I knew that when I walked through the door. These men had no qualms speaking about it. But I was targeted, and they prevailed.
I suppose I should thank them though. Because of them I distanced myself from that church and started looking. I've found many people from across the spectrum who, like me are seeing some problems with the mainstream catholic (universal, not the RC church specifically) teachings. Our discussions get lively and can last for hours, but everyone is respectful of the others. To be fair I did run into some that are a bit disturbing (ever hear of the Sacred Names movement?). I ran from them. I also found some who reject the eternal deity of the Christ. I politely told them I could not fellowship with them based on that issue. They politely agreed.
But the mainstream of Christianity seems determined to fight each other more than the enemy. Go figure.
I didn’t say your evil . Can’t you hear the value in this ??????Jesus Christ said it and your insisting people conform to his image yet your rejecting what he said ???? Makes no sense this is part of his image
“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
Luke 6:35-
I care about you and I’m watching you heap judgement upon yourself do you not believe Jesus ? Or don you know better than what the judge of all
Mankind has taught ? Consider your lords word brother if I didn’t love you I would have left off communicating with you until you were done judging people unworthy of Christ who’s calling them near
“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
Luke 6:35-
I care about you and I’m watching you heap judgement upon yourself do you not believe Jesus ? Or don you know better than what the judge of all
Mankind has taught ? Consider your lords word brother if I didn’t love you I would have left off communicating with you until you were done judging people unworthy of Christ who’s calling them near
To Pilgrimshope ----I apologise for my post to you today ------ I took your post out of Context and apologise for not reading it more carefully and responding in an more appropriate manner -----
THAT folks is a good Christian attitude. Just sayin'.
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in Thy ink sinners shouldn’t be judged by others claiming to be conformed to christs image as they are disregarding Christs clear commandment not to judge them or they will be judged by him
you have to understand Jesus is able to lead people all you need to do is learn and share the gospel that’s all it takes to bring repentance to sinners do what Christ is saying and watch the changes
you have to understand Jesus is able to lead people all you need to do is learn and share the gospel that’s all it takes to bring repentance to sinners do what Christ is saying and watch the changes
To Pilgrimshope ----I apologise for my post to you today ------ I took your post out of Context and apologise for not reading it more carefully and responding in an more appropriate manner -----
sort of too much I suppose but if I have offended you in any way I also apologize but wouldn’t expect your gonna hold anything against me
Jesus loves us both I’m glad we both know there’s no worries between us and no hard feelings whatsoever in any way
God bless and keep you in all things Jesus Christ !!!
probably to this one ?
“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:31-32, 34-36, 40-43, 45-46 KJV
Notice he’s not asking if anyone ever sinned ? Would you be comfortable if that’s going to frame your judgement ? Not “ did joe do anything wrong since he was converted ?”
but “ what has joe done for other people ? How has he treated others ? Has he loved others in his lifetime ? Strangers ? The poor ? What if Jesus is going to judge us by what HE SAID ????? What good works of the gospel is joe perfect in ?
would you be comfortable if the sermon on the mount was his judgement ?????
How do you treat others who don’t deserve it ?
“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:31-32, 34-36, 40-43, 45-46 KJV
Notice he’s not asking if anyone ever sinned ? Would you be comfortable if that’s going to frame your judgement ? Not “ did joe do anything wrong since he was converted ?”
but “ what has joe done for other people ? How has he treated others ? Has he loved others in his lifetime ? Strangers ? The poor ? What if Jesus is going to judge us by what HE SAID ????? What good works of the gospel is joe perfect in ?
would you be comfortable if the sermon on the mount was his judgement ?????
How do you treat others who don’t deserve it ?
