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No not at all in any way have I suggested that Seth is God in the flesh or not in the flesh not really sure how anyone could come to that conclusion
Seth is the son of Adam. Who was the son of God
all I’m saying is this
“Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
Luke 3:38 KJV
“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos:
then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.”
Genesis 4:25-26 KJV
I’m saying In Genesis when it mentions the sons of God it’s talking about the line of Seth who called on his name
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
…But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
John 1:1-2, 12-13 KJV
seths is the first priest of the order of melchezidek the order of the sons of God. Seths line in Genesis we’re the sons of God.
but nooooo I would never say such a thing Christ is God manifest in the flesh d he was the same in the beginning before he was manifest in the flesh they believed on Christ then before the law came
Seth is the son of Adam. Who was the son of God
all I’m saying is this
“Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
Luke 3:38 KJV
“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos:
then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.”
Genesis 4:25-26 KJV
I’m saying In Genesis when it mentions the sons of God it’s talking about the line of Seth who called on his name
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
…But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
John 1:1-2, 12-13 KJV
seths is the first priest of the order of melchezidek the order of the sons of God. Seths line in Genesis we’re the sons of God.
but nooooo I would never say such a thing Christ is God manifest in the flesh d he was the same in the beginning before he was manifest in the flesh they believed on Christ then before the law came
The passage is about men:
"For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ."
"But I want to remind you, though you once knew this..."
Jude began his letter with "To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ..."
So he's writing to those who are called, sanctified, and preserved in faith.
He then reminds them of how God dealt with those who turned away from God:
"..that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode..."
The angels left the House of God as servants to the sons of God. This was their station (domain) and their abode (dwelling place). This could be men who became apostate or spirit angels who rebelled.
"He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;"
All who abandoned God await judgement in darkness without any ability to change their course.
"..as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
The example is what? "..suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." This is the fire that rained down from heaven because of sexual immorality.
He continues:
"Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries."
Again, the "likewise" refers to men and he's relating the issue to the current "dreamers" (men) who defile the flesh, reject authority, etc.
A little later on...
"Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”
"For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ."
"But I want to remind you, though you once knew this..."
Jude began his letter with "To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ..."
So he's writing to those who are called, sanctified, and preserved in faith.
He then reminds them of how God dealt with those who turned away from God:
"..that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode..."
The angels left the House of God as servants to the sons of God. This was their station (domain) and their abode (dwelling place). This could be men who became apostate or spirit angels who rebelled.
"He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;"
All who abandoned God await judgement in darkness without any ability to change their course.
"..as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
The example is what? "..suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." This is the fire that rained down from heaven because of sexual immorality.
He continues:
"Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries."
Again, the "likewise" refers to men and he's relating the issue to the current "dreamers" (men) who defile the flesh, reject authority, etc.
A little later on...
"Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”
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Enoch is not a Pharisee tradition.
Are you familiar that the Torah has only 22 books, and that JEROME wrote he knew that but turned 22 Books into 39?
And do you know that JESUS tells us the Order of the Torah is LAW, Prophets, Psalms, but JEROME changed it up to LAW, Psalms, Prophets.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
So even Your own modern Bible is incorrect and laid out wrongfully on purpose.
And you are going to argue about Enoch?
Are you familiar that the Torah has only 22 books, and that JEROME wrote he knew that but turned 22 Books into 39?
And do you know that JESUS tells us the Order of the Torah is LAW, Prophets, Psalms, but JEROME changed it up to LAW, Psalms, Prophets.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
So even Your own modern Bible is incorrect and laid out wrongfully on purpose.
And you are going to argue about Enoch?
I know that forgery came about in the time of the Pharisees and not before it. See this is the problem of the Pharisees doctrines and traditions; all of a sudden instead of paying attention to the scriptures of the known prophets and apostles of God, people will undermine the Bible in order to keep their own tradition that was taught to them by men.
amen they do appear at times on earth and are seen but never has there ever been any suggestion that angel and human are interchangeable
even the idea that there was a race of giants who ate all the people and trees ect like the book of Enoch says what the scriptire really says is they were men of great renown (giants in the earth ) rhetorically men of great accomplishment and renown not literal giants
“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
Genesis 6:4 KJV
I think the giant part is rhetorical for the narrative saying they were like Noah men of great renown but things like that are open for guessing I suppose
even the idea that there was a race of giants who ate all the people and trees ect like the book of Enoch says what the scriptire really says is they were men of great renown (giants in the earth ) rhetorically men of great accomplishment and renown not literal giants
“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
Genesis 6:4 KJV
I think the giant part is rhetorical for the narrative saying they were like Noah men of great renown but things like that are open for guessing I suppose
Here is your theory:
Many have this theory, and there are many who believe differently, despite your claim that there is no room for differences of opinion on the matter, which you neatly encapsulate by insinuating anything other than something that agrees with your opinion is wrong.
Many have this theory, and there are many who believe differently, despite your claim that there is no room for differences of opinion on the matter, which you neatly encapsulate by insinuating anything other than something that agrees with your opinion is wrong.
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Don't worry about the order of the Bible books, just read it. I have read the book from cover to cover MANY of times and the apocrypha. I don't care what way or what order you read them it's the message in the words that matter. Anybody that does not trust the Bible has clearly not studied it or even prayed to God about it. It is usually Gnostics or Atheist that have the problem with its authenticity. Do not dismiss the bestselling book of all times, the greatest distributed book in the world, and a book that has the ability to make a human change his life. (Eccl 10:13-14) You find me another book that foretold Kings that would rise, Kingdoms that would fall way before that person was even born. There is NO BOOK LIKE IT!