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Nehemiah6

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There's no need to consort with that book written by the Pharisees.
No one really knows who wrote Enoch.
Hence "pseudepigraphic". You are probably referring to the 3rd book of Enoch.

"The book itself asserts that its author was Enoch, before the biblical flood. The most complete Book of Enoch comes from Ethiopic manuscripts, maṣḥafa hēnok (መጽሐፈ ሄኖክ), written in Ge’ez, which were brought to Europe by James Bruce in the late 18th century and were translated into English in the 19th century."
https://erinbethea.com/who-is-the-author-of-the-book-of-enoch/
 
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“Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, ( son of God )after his image; and called his name Seth: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬
You are claiming Seth was God in the flesh?
And that God in the flesh begat children?
And then God killed the Fallen Angel's offspring who also begat children with human women?
So God is a Liar and a hypocrite for banishing the Fallen Angels for doing the very same thing you claim He did?
 

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You are claiming Seth was God in the flesh?
And that God in the flesh begat children?
And then God killed the Fallen Angel's offspring who also begat children with human women?
So god is a Liar and a hypocrite for banishing the Fallen Angels for doing the very same thing you claim He did?





That's NOT what he's saying..
Plz read all his post.
It's easy for us to mistake what we think we hear,see or read😊

Page two starts this discourse between Pilgrims post and Sword.
 
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No one really knows who wrote Enoch.
Hence "pseudepigraphic". You are probably referring to the 3rd book of Enoch.

"The book itself asserts that its author was Enoch, before the biblical flood. The most complete Book of Enoch comes from Ethiopic manuscripts, maṣḥafa hēnok (መጽሐፈ ሄኖክ), written in Ge’ez, which were brought to Europe by James Bruce in the late 18th century and were translated into English in the 19th century."
https://erinbethea.com/who-is-the-author-of-the-book-of-enoch/
I am familiar with the forgery. It is needless to the point as the Bible is sufficient to make the point and to understand what happened in the ancient past and to understand how these parallel into the dark future.
 
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I do not think it is a lack of the Spirit, but it is that the Bible's account of history and the future clashes with the modern world's views which then leads to a dynamic where one must choose between the two.
"Modern world's view" is simply that human's viewpoint. However, the Bible claims to be inspired by God, 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Therefore, I would conclude that what the Bible states should trump human's viewpoint. Is not human viewpoint what got Adam and Eve in trouble? There is a book called "The Case for the Christ" that has a plethora of human research to substantiate the Bible for any Intellect. He was a Ph.D.
 
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And let's not forget the book of Enoch. Although it is not regarded as Scripture by the majority of Christians (Ethiopian Jews and Ethiopian Orthodox Christians do accept it), it does give us tremendous insight into the angels which sinned. The fact that Jude quotes Enoch is also something to keep in mind.
What an intriguing and exciting book it is, a must read! We to this day do not know or have what the Ethiopian Jews have in their Bible. My god they claim to have the Arc of the Covenant in Axum, and nobody will burst into the building to find out, smile, loolll. Anybody brave enough please step-up to the plate on this one.
 

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@RizenPhoenix

May I ask you,what religion are you or do you claim one.
Earlier you were talking about peoples light ( aka aura)
Sorry and welcome to CC.
You are very knowledgeable
 
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"Modern world's view" is simply that human's viewpoint. However, the Bible claims to be inspired by God, 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Therefore, I would conclude that what the Bible states should trump human's viewpoint. Is not human viewpoint what got Adam and Eve in trouble? There is a book called "The Case for the Christ" that has a plethora of human research to substantiate the Bible for any Intellect. He was a Ph.D.
This is true and I would agree to that.

I have a better book it is called the Holy Bible it is written by a variety of people from kings to uneducated fishermen, but all of them knew God I am quite assured by how the things they say to do in that book can be done by anyone today and the results will come out just as they said.
 

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how can a spiritual bekng breed with flesh and blood ?

“And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure angels have human dna or can procreate with a different species can they ? Wouldn’t make sense
However, you're making an assumption that is not spelled out in Scripture.
 
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I will say this much. Reportedly, we have bone structures of humans on average being 15 feet tall with 6 fingers and toes. Goliath is said to be anywhere between 11-13 feet tall. In modern day past 500 years, we've had someone around 9 feet tall and it was due to a growth hormone and they died before the age of 30. The Bible claims these were men of Renown, meaning there were many. Since Genetically we do not see Giants today, and the last real Giant was recorded 500 A.D. and before that Goliath, what kind of human beings in Genesis Chapter 6 produced hundreds of Giants that we cannot produce today? If Caesar and the average height 2,000 years ago was under 5 feet tall, how tall do we think Adam was to produce Giants?

In 2nd Peter 2:4 Angels are bound in chains awaiting Judgement.

So, there's other Fallen Angels running around possessing people, but not these Angels bound in Darkness awaiting Judgement.
What did those angels, Peter speaks about, DO to be bound until judgement while the other fallen angels are able to run around doing Satan's bidding.

What did these Angels, Peter talks about, do that God chained them up but allowed the other Fallen Angels to be free and possess people like Jesus cast out in the Gospels?

I say they had sex with human women and that was the [[Sin]] that got them bound until judgement where they will be cast into the Lake of Fire. After all, God killed most of their Genetics with Noah's Flood. There's a Reason god wanted these giants DEAD!

What other SIN could have gotten these specific Angels locked up until Judgement?
 

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There's no need to consort with that book written by the Pharisees. The Holy Bible is sufficient to all knowledge and study.
Reading Enoch is no more frowned upon than reading any other text from the Second Temple period or the early Roman period. The reality is that Jude does quote Enoch, and Enoch explains the situation from Genesis 6 more fully. In a similar way, modern medical textbooks explain the interactions and functions of the human body far more thoroughly than any passage of Scripture. The key is to take them for what they are and not try to make either what it isn't.
 
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Reading Enoch is no more frowned upon than reading any other text from the Second Temple period or the early Roman period. The reality is that Jude does quote Enoch, and Enoch explains the situation from Genesis 6 more fully. In a similar way, modern medical textbooks explain the interactions and functions of the human body far more thoroughly than any passage of Scripture. The key is to take them for what they are and not try to make either what it isn't.
Well, some people today claim that Jude quotes the forgery, but that is not what Jude claims.

Well see the problem is that the writings of the Pharisees which came about in that era are actually pretty frowned upon. Even if we ascribe to them being harmless than at the very least of it they are pointless. One does not need to lean on a forgery when the Bible is more than sufficient about this topic, citing the event of the first fall of the angels at least four times; in Genesis, 1 Corinthians, 2 Peter, and Jude.
 
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[Chapter 19]

1 And Uriel said to me: 'Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons as gods, (here shall they stand,) till the day of the great judgement in 2 which they shall be judged till they are made an end of. And the women also of the angels who 3 went astray shall become sirens.' And I, Enoch, alone saw the vision, the ends of all things: and no man shall see as I have seen.
 

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6 I say, “You are gods,
sons of the Most High, all of you;
7 nevertheless, you shall die like men,
and fall like any prince

These are the sons of God: men.

"How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked?"

Angels do not judge men. The sons of God judge angels.
 
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Well, some people today claim that Jude quotes the forgery, but that is not what Jude claims.

Well see the problem is that the writings of the Pharisees which came about in that era are actually pretty frowned upon. Even if we ascribe to them being harmless than at the very least of it they are pointless. One does not need to lean on a forgery when the Bible is more than sufficient about this topic, citing the event of the first fall of the angels at least four times; in Genesis, 1 Corinthians, 2 Peter, and Jude.
From the book of Enoch 1

1:9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

From the book Jude

“Behold, the Lord came with his holy myriads, 15 to execute judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness which they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
 
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From the book of Enoch 1

1:9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

From the book Jude

“Behold, the Lord came with his holy myriads, 15 to execute judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness which they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
I am familiar with the claim they try to make, but it simply is them attributing Jude's quote to the forgery, and then claiming that Jude is quoting the forgery. Again, one does not need to stray from the scriptures, the Holy Bible is sufficient to answer this topic.
 
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READ THIS AND TELL ME IF YOU THINK IT EXPLAINS GENESIS 6 BETTER THAN ALL OF US TRYING TO CONNECT ADAM AND LINEAGE TO THE NEPHILIM

[Chapter 15]

1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous 2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men 3 for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children 4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die 5 and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget 6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly 7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless 12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.

[Chapter 16]

1 From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgement -thus shall they destroy until the day of the consummation, the great judgement in which the age shall be 2 consummated, over the Watchers and the godless, yea, shall be wholly consummated." And now as to the watchers who have sent thee to intercede for them, who had been aforetime in heaven, (say 3 to them): "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth." 4 Say to them therefore: " You have no peace."'

[Chapter 17]

1 And they took and brought me to a place in which those who were there were like flaming fire, 2 and, when they wished, they appeared as men. And they brought me to the place of darkness, and to a mountain the point of whose summit reached to heaven. And I saw the places of the luminaries and the treasuries of the stars and of the thunder and in the uttermost depths, where were 4 a fiery bow and arrows and their quiver, and a fiery sword and all the lightnings. And they took 5 me to the living waters, and to the fire of the west, which receives every setting of the sun. And I came to a river of fire in which the fire flows like water and discharges itself into the great sea towards 6 the west. I saw the great rivers and came to the great river and to the great darkness, and went 7 to the place where no flesh walks. I saw the mountains of the darkness of winter and the place 8 whence all the waters of the deep flow. I saw the mouths of all the rivers of the earth and the mouth of the deep.

[Chapter 18]

1 I saw the treasuries of all the winds: I saw how He had furnished with them the whole creation 2 and the firm foundations of the earth. And I saw the corner-stone of the earth: I saw the four 3 winds which bear [the earth and] the firmament of the heaven. And I saw how the winds stretch out the vaults of heaven, and have their station between heaven and earth: these are the pillars 4 of the heaven. I saw the winds of heaven which turn and bring the circumference of the sun and 5 all the stars to their setting. I saw the winds on the earth carrying the clouds: I saw the paths 6 of the angels. I saw at the end of the earth the firmament of the heaven above. And I proceeded and saw a place which burns day and night, where there are seven mountains of magnificent stones, 7 three towards the east, and three towards the south. And as for those towards the east, was of coloured stone, and one of pearl, and one of jacinth, and those towards the south of red stone. 8 But the middle one reached to heaven like the throne of God, of alabaster, and the summit of the 9,10 throne was of sapphire. And I saw a flaming fire. And beyond these mountains Is a region the end of the great earth: there the heavens were completed. And I saw a deep abyss, with columns of heavenly fire, and among them I saw columns of fire fall, which were beyond measure alike towards 12 the height and towards the depth. And beyond that abyss I saw a place which had no firmament of the heaven above, and no firmly founded earth beneath it: there was no water upon it, and no 13 birds, but it was a waste and horrible place. I saw there seven stars like great burning mountains, 14 and to me, when I inquired regarding them, The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of 16 their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) for ten thousand years.'

[Chapter 19]

1 And Uriel said to me: 'Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons as gods, (here shall they stand,) till the day of the great judgement in 2 which they shall be judged till they are made an end of. And the women also of the angels who 3 went astray shall become sirens.' And I, Enoch, alone saw the vision, the ends of all things: and no man shall see as I have seen.