The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

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you really despise that pretrib rapture dynamic God put in his word.

That depiction by God of the mirror image of the pretrib rapture debunks your deal.

Jesus placed the setting PREFLOOD.. AS he did the rapture.

1 normal life except Noah was preparing to leave in a ark.
( ark is a type of heaven)

2 noah enters that ark PREFLOOD.
( Chuch does the same)

3 noah rises into the clouds via the flood.
( we rise into the clouds to meet Jesus)

4 noah stays into the heavens DURING THE FLOOD.
( WE stay in heaven during the trib/judgement)

5 noah returns POSTFLOOD.
(We return POSTRIB)

6 Noah sets up a new world and POSTFLOOD.
( We with Jesus set up a new world post trib.)

Remember, you heard it here first.
It was right there, and everyone on this board missed it.

 

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All you have shown is that the time will come when then will not endure sound doctrine. You have be given ample scriptures showing that the resurrection of believers is at the return of the Lord and the catching up of the saints occurs at this time as well. I don't know why you believe theology over the scripture but not my circus not my monkeys. I hope you are reconciled to the Bible . But as long as you are abiding in Christ is the important thing. I'm sure God will finish the work He began in you. Believe what you want cv5.

UH, Both sides of the debate believe EXACTLY THAT.

 

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"Rapture" is just a theological term for that event. It is taught in 1 Cor. 15:51-52 and 1 Thess. 4:13-18, which pre-tribbers often quote, but that's at the end of the great tribulation, the same event Jesus predicted in Matt. 24:29-31.

NOPE
all you see there is a gathering IN HEAVEN, POSTRIB, BY Angels, NOT JESUS.
Re read it.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Uh, your Postrib Rapture model would need a Postrib GATHERING.
IOW, Noah gathered, or removed POST FLOOD..

What are you talking about? Noah and his family experienced the entire five months of the flood - plus 40 days of raining. God DELIVERED them, he didn't "rapture" them.

Also, God "took" Enoch when he was 360 yo, do some simple math based on the genealogy in Gen 5 you get Year 982; but when the flood came, Noah was 600 yo, and that's Year 1656 based on the same genealogy. That's too far apart. Enoch was not "raptured" right before the flood, he wasn't even "raptured" when God gave the sentence 120 years in advance, which means it was Year 1436 and Noah was 480 yo. "Pre-trib rapture model" in the Noah story doesn't hold any water. Their fantasy is derailed by the devil that hides in these little details.

NOPE
all you see there is a gathering IN HEAVEN, POSTRIB, BY Angels, NOT JESUS.
Re read it.

You go and read the verses. Angels will bring forth the trumpets and bowls judgement, where does it say that they're gonna come down to rapture anybody?

 

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Hi Hitch,

Good talking to you. Yes we agree that Jesus, when He ascended up on high to the Father`s right hand, then He was given all power and authority far above all. (Eph. 1: 20 - 22) Now the Father is Spirit, (John 4: 24) and no one has seen Him or can see Him, as He dwells in unapproachable light. (1 Tim. 6: 16)

Thus that throne, (authority) is beyond any to see. So when Christ is appointed in the third heaven, (angelic realm) we will be able to visibly see Him with all that authority and power that the Father gave Him.

However at the moment the Lord Jesus Christ is on the Father`s throne till the Father says for Him to go to His own throne. Those two are mentioned in Rev. 3: 21.

Here is a diagram of these thrones.

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Hitch;
"""This is utter nonsense."""

It is like you are saying her greeting and talking to you is utter nonsense.

Your replies are all snarky with zero substance.

You plan on hanging around here long?

Get out of troll mode please, and debate the rapture.

 

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What are you talking about? Noah and his family experienced the entire five months of the flood - plus 40 days of raining. God DELIVERED them, he didn't "rapture" them.

Also, God "took" Enoch when he was 360 yo, do some simple math based on the genealogy in Gen 5 you get Year 982; but when the flood came, Noah was 600 yo, and that's Year 1656 based on the same genealogy. That's too far apart. Enoch was not "raptured" right before the flood, he wasn't even "raptured" when God gave the sentence 120 years in advance, which means it was Year 1436 and Noah was 480 yo. "Pre-trib rapture model" in the Noah story doesn't hold any water. Their fantasy is derailed by the devil that hides in these little details.



You go and read the verses. Angels will bring forth the trumpets and bowls judgement, where does it say that they're gonna come down to rapture anybody?

Your model is a postrib rapture.

Noah would then be taken POSTFLOOD..
And Lot taken out, removed postjudgement.
Are you that dense?????

JUST DO WHAT YOU DO.

OVERGENERALIZE IT.

OMIT WHAT IS THERE.

 

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"""You go and read the verses. Angels will bring forth the trumpets and bowls judgement, where does it say that they're gonna come down to rapture anybody?""""

Lol
You never saw it in your own verses.

On second thought please do not read it for yourself.

Just pretend the verses say what you NEED THEM TO SAY.

You will not read them anyway.

 

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Did you get a trampoline ??

You ever thought about intelligently engaging people on the board.

We get you hate and loathe pretribbers.

Get a bible.
Get with the debate.
Or go troll some other thread.

 

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To come as a thief in the night....
No man knows what day or hour...
Be ready for you do not know what hour your Lord comes...

Dunno maybe my Bible's broke.

Yes
It clearly says some are gathered at night.

Sleeping and raptured.

He does come as a thief and then as a glorious king 7 yrs later.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Your model is a postrib rapture.

Noah would then be taken POSTFLOOD..
And Lot taken out, removed postjudgement.
Are you that dense?????

JUST DO WHAT YOU DO.

OVERGENERALIZE IT.

OMIT WHAT IS THERE.

Who "took" Noah to where? My bible says God made a promise to him, and his three sons repopulated the earth. There was no "taking" because that's no rapture model at all. Neither is Lot who was still on earth, and his two daughters committed incest with him. None of these had anything to do with "rapture". Neither Noah nor Lot was "removed" from the earth.

 

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Who "took" Noah to where? My bible says God made a promise to him, and his three sons repopulated the earth. There was no "taking" because that's no rapture model at all. Neither is Lot who was still on earth, and his two daughters committed incest with him. None of these had anything to do with "rapture". Neither Noah nor Lot was "removed" from the earth.

Just ignore, like you do, that Jesus SAID HIS COMING WILL BE like lot and noah.

IOW, pretend lot STAYED, went through the fire , and AFTER THE JUDGEMENT the angels came and got him.

Then pretend Jesus said AFTER THE FLOOD.( remove " before" from your bible)
PRETEND Jesus said his coming would like.... " AFTER THE FLOOD"

Just make the adjustments to the bible.
Oh...wait...you already did that.


Looks like you are good to go in that doctrine.
Carry on.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Just ignore, like you do, that Jesus SAID HIS COMING WILL BE like lot and noah.

IOW, pretend lot STAYED, went through the fire , and AFTER THE JUDGEMENT the angels came and got him.

Then pretend Jesus said AFTER THE FLOOD.( remove " before" from your bible)
PRETEND Jesus said his coming would like.... " AFTER THE FLOOD"

Just make the adjustments to the bible.
Oh...wait...you already did that.


Looks like you are good to go in that doctrine.
Carry on.

I don't ignore what the bible says. I ignore stuffs you made up.

Pretend Noah and Lot were puffed out of existence.

Didn't Jesus tell his disciples to run to the mountains? That's DELIVERANCE ahead of time, what bible are you reading that calls that "rapture"?

Oh, and by the way, no angel dragged Lot out. He LISTENED and departed. But not his wife who looked back and became a pillar of salt.

 

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I don't ignore what the bible says. I ignore stuffs you made up.

Pretend Noah and Lot were puffed out of existence.

Didn't Jesus tell his disciples to run to the mountains? That's DELIVERANCE ahead of time, what bible are you reading that calls that "rapture"?

Oh, and by the way, no angel dragged Lot out. He LISTENED and departed. But not his wife who looked back and became a pillar of salt.

Never said ANY OF THAT.

STOP THAT DECEPTION

 

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I don't ignore what the bible says. I ignore stuffs you made up.

Pretend Noah and Lot were puffed out of existence.

Didn't Jesus tell his disciples to run to the mountains? That's DELIVERANCE ahead of time, what bible are you reading that calls that "rapture"?

Oh, and by the way, no angel dragged Lot out. He LISTENED and departed. But not his wife who looked back and became a pillar of salt.

NO
HE DID NOT, "" Listen AND DEPARTED""
You do not know what it says.

 

[Absolutely]

Your model is a postrib rapture.

Noah would then be taken POSTFLOOD..
And Lot taken out, removed postjudgement.
Are you that dense?????

JUST DO WHAT YOU DO.

OVERGENERALIZE IT.

OMIT WHAT IS THERE.

^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^

But you guys are oblivious,that you need noah and lot removed postrib/ judgement
Oblivious.

Both are prejudgement dynamics.
Both destroy a postrib removal.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

NO
HE DID NOT, "" Listen AND DEPARTED""
You do not know what it says.

Yes he did. Go read Gen. 19 and educate yourself. Since when did ESCAPE on foot become a rapture? Since when did ENTER into Zoar become a rapture?

 

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See how ridiculous it is to think Jesus comes postrib, raptures his bride that he whipped for 7 years, and 2 seconds later in the air says " no we can not go to the fathers house as i promised, we go to battle".

When, in Deuteronomy it is written that the Newlywed husband could not go to battle for an extended period.
I can't remember if it's a month, or a year, or what, but he could not go into battle for an extended period after the wedding.
So what are you do with Revelation 19?
It is quite obvious that the marriage has taken place in heaven for some time and that time has expired and the husband it's going into battle.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

you really despise that pretrib rapture dynamic God put in his word.

That depiction by God of the mirror image of the pretrib rapture debunks your deal.

Jesus placed the setting PREFLOOD.. AS he did the rapture.

1 normal life except Noah was preparing to leave in a ark.
( ark is a type of heaven)

2 noah enters that ark PREFLOOD.
( Chuch does the same)

3 noah rises into the clouds via the flood.
( we rise into the clouds to meet Jesus)

4 noah stays into the heavens DURING THE FLOOD.
( WE stay in heaven during the trib/judgement)

5 noah returns POSTFLOOD.
(We return POSTRIB)

6 Noah sets up a new world and POSTFLOOD.
( We with Jesus set up a new world post trib.)

Remember, you heard it here first.
It was right there, and everyone on this board missed it.

You've done nothing but conflating the terms. All of that was called DELIVERANCE, not "caught up" or "rapture". God didn't supernaturally rapture or "take" Noah into heaven - before, during or after the Flood! And how did Noah "rise into the clouds" via the flood? How come that 15 cubits deep of water lifted him to heaven? You just made this up.

 

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Yes he did. Go read Gen. 19 and educate yourself. Since when did ESCAPE on foot become a rapture? Since when did ENTER into Zoar become a rapture?

I really cant believe you CAN NOT go to it and read that he did not "listen and depart"
Maybe if i post it so you can further make a fool if yourself

15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the Lord being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

Of course you will change it into something else.
They drug him and his family out.
It does not say what you very disingenuously NEED it to say.

That is not a red flag to you????
That you BLATANTLY CHANGE THE BIBLE?????

 

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You've done nothing but conflating the terms. All of that was called DELIVERANCE, not "caught up" or "rapture". God didn't supernaturally rapture or "take" Noah into heaven - before, during or after the Flood! And how did Noah "rise into the clouds" via the flood? How come that 15 cubits deep of water lifted him to heaven? You just made this up.

Maybe if i post those verses also.
May help but , no, it wont.
You change and omit with no conscious of Changing Gods word.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

If you keep reading, which you won't, the ark CAME DOWN on a mountain.

That tells you the water was 15 cubits above the mountains.

But you even need that changed.
Sad that you went after that false doctrine to pervert the very bible you should know ,but instead were taught to change.