What is the scriptural basis for the doctrine of prophetic intercession?

[ResidentAlien]

You do greatly err, since the charismatic movement started somewhere in the 1960's.
Are you a fan of John MacAuthur?

I use the term "charismatic" generally to describe the so-called reawakening of the charismatic gifts and signs/wonders. This would include Pentecostals but it goes back further than that into the late 1800s.

No, I'm not a huge fan of John MacArthur. I'm not a cessationist but that doesn't mean I buy into all the modern hocus-pocus. I don't buy it not because I'm a cessationist but because the root of the tree is bad.

A lie that everyone can clearly see as a lie (hyper charismania) is a lot less dangerous than the one most people believe. That lie, imho, is the so-called legitimate signs and wonders phenomenon. It started out as a rotten tree and is still bearing rotten fruit.

 

[ResidentAlien]

"A horrible and shocking thing has happened in the land: The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way."—Jeremiah 5:30-31

 

[JTB]

I don't believe in miraculous signs like the one you described. I think it's all a lot of phony baloney actually. Nothing personal, it's just all nonsense to me.

It saddens me to hear that, because I've been part of a number of such occurrences, all which brought glory to God. It's such a shame that you deprive your Christian walk of such wonders.

Praying for you my friend

 

[Nehemiah6]

A prophetic intercessor, as I understand it, is someone who intercedes for others but who has a prophetic gift which gives them special knowledge that enables them to intercede on a more powerful and effective level.

This is another one of those bizarre ideas that should simply be ignored. Evidently it must be related the the NAR movement. All believers are king-priests (within a Royal Priesthood) and all can intercede equally. The spiritual gift of prophet was one gift among many, but that gift ceased a long time ago.

 

[ResidentAlien]

It saddens me to hear that, because I've been part of a number of such occurrences, all which brought glory to God. It's such a shame that you deprive your Christian walk of such wonders.

Praying for you my friend

Okay, pray on!

 

[ResidentAlien]

This is another one of those bizarre ideas that should simply be ignored. Evidently it must be related the the NAR movement. All believers are king-priests (within a Royal Priesthood) and all can intercede equally. The spiritual gift of prophet was one gift among many, but that gift ceased a long time ago.

I'm gonna start calling you Mr. Head in the Sand. How does all that sand taste? Does it go down smooth?

 

[ResidentAlien]

This is another one of those bizarre ideas that should simply be ignored. Evidently it must be related the the NAR movement. All believers are king-priests (within a Royal Priesthood) and all can intercede equally. The spiritual gift of prophet was one gift among many, but that gift ceased a long time ago.

How about we start focusing more on the garden variety charismatics who believe in tongues, faith healers, dreams, visions, etc.? This is actually a lot more dangerous than the lunatic fringe of charismania because it's "safe." It's the soft porn of Christianity.

 

[JTB]

How about we start focusing more on the garden variety charismatics who believe in tongues, faith healers, dreams, visions, etc.? This is actually a lot more dangerous than the lunatic fringe of charismania because it's "safe." It's the soft porn of Christianity.

What goes on in may of todays charismatic/pentecostal churches is why Paul wrote 1 Cor 14 about proper time and place and keeping a leash on it. That said, to toss the baby with the bathwater is equally a mistake. And to claim legitimate acts of the Holy Spirit are false - that's very dangerous ground to tread.

 

[ResidentAlien]

What goes on in may of todays charismatic/pentecostal churches is why Paul wrote 1 Cor 14 about proper time and place and keeping a leash on it.

This is the standard line that keeps the fantasy alive. All those bizarre lunatics over there are bad but we're good, we're safe.

That said, to toss the baby with the bathwater is equally a mistake. And to claim legitimate acts of the Holy Spirit are false - that's very dangerous ground to tread.

Ahh, but they're not legitimate acts of the Holy Spirit; that's where you're mistaken. That's the narrative you think everyone should accept but I simply don't buy it. And if anyone should dare call it out for what it is, well, that could be very dangerous indeed.

 

[JTB]

This is the standard line that keeps the fantasy alive. All those bizarre lunatics over there are bad but we're good, we're safe.



Ahh, but they're not legitimate acts of the Holy Spirit; that's where you're mistaken. That's the narrative you think everyone should accept but I simply don't buy it. And if anyone should dare call it out for what it is, well, that could be very dangerous indeed.

So false acts that have nothing to do with the Holy Spirit still bring glory to God.

Ain't He great!

(Or maybe you just can't see the forest for all the chopped down trees!)

 

[ResidentAlien]

You say they bring glory to God.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I'm gonna start calling you Mr. Head in the Sand. How does all that sand taste? Does it go down smooth?

And we should be calling you "Mr. Fringe Lunacy Specialist", since all you have done is specialize in talking about fringe lunatics in Christendom.

 

[ResidentAlien]

And we should be calling you "Mr. Fringe Lunacy Specialist", since all you have done is specialize in talking about fringe lunatics in Christendom.

Okay, fair enough. Let's talk about mainstream charismatics then. I have likened them to the "soft porn" of Christianity (post #27). Do you feel this is a fair assessment?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Okay, fair enough. Let's talk about mainstream charismatics then. I have likened them to the "soft porn" of Christianity (post #27). Do you feel this is a fair assessment?

I would not go so far as to call it "soft porn". Perhaps "experience-focused-Christianity". It is sad to see that many have turned to this kind of nonsense, but that is a part of the Great Apostasy.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I liken it to soft porn because society regards it as acceptable and harmless, at least compared to hardcore porn. But that makes it all the more harmful because everyone accepts it as harmless when it isn't.

Many people don't want to be associated with the lunatic fringe of charismania. On the other hand many people don't want to be associated with cessationism because they feel it limits God. The solution? Mainstream charismania. It's safe, harmless, and most importantly it glorifies God (or so they say). But they don't stop to think whether what they're doing comes from the root of a good tree or bad.

 

[JTB]

I liken it to soft porn because society regards it as acceptable and harmless, at least compared to hardcore porn. But that makes it all the more harmful because everyone accepts it as harmless when it isn't.

Many people don't want to be associated with the lunatic fringe of charismania. On the other hand many people don't want to be associated with cessationism because they feel it limits God. The solution? Mainstream charismania. It's safe, harmless, and most importantly it glorifies God (or so they say). But they don't stop to think whether what they're doing comes from the root of a good tree or bad.

I can sure tell which of those trees YOUR theology is coming from.

Sad,sad,sad